RSS Endurance in Iraq
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Does the Typhoon REALLY need to be manned from the outside??? Saw the gunner standing on a pedestal manning the gun in the ST. Looks a bit comical if you ask me. What if the gunner has to traverse the gun???How in the world is he going to aim the gun?
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From the website....the specification says it can be remote or local.Originally posted by warspite:Does the Typhoon REALLY need to be manned from the outside??? Saw the gunner standing on a pedestal manning the gun in the ST. Looks a bit comical if you ask me. What if the gunner has to traverse the gun???How in the world is he going to aim the gun? -
Just read the PDF brochure...
Still baffled by the way they man the gun (as in manual backup).
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Aiyo, the poor chap is in the cold, holding the gun for photo taking lah. Notice the bi-shoulder pads are still in their folded position. The gun is fully automated, very capable.
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The enemy is not static. Some have been trained in Westpoint and Sandhurst.
Remember USS Coles and RPG to shoot down blackhawk helicopter don't underestimate the enemy. -
Yes, that's right. Those things can be fired using a joystick and a TV screen for guidance.Originally posted by Blue Dolphin:Aiyo, the poor chap is in the cold, holding the gun for photo taking lah. Notice the bi-shoulder pads are still in their folded position. The gun is fully automated, very capable.
The photo op was non tactical but I think it gives readers a sense of scale. The auntie in Tampines and the pak chik in Boon Lay doesn't really know how to go to the Typhoon maker's website for more info.
That lucky gunner got to fire off a few rounds for the TV crew. Some of you might have seen the footage. -
Hi ChineseJunk, do u know why the 25mm gun is called Typhoon? I thought ST designed this 25mm naval remote weapon station albeit based on the Rafael's Typhoon.Originally posted by ChineseJunk:Yes, that's right. Those things can be fired using a joystick and a TV screen for guidance.
The photo op was non tactical but I think it gives readers a sense of scale. The auntie in Tampines and the pak chik in Boon Lay doesn't really know how to go to the Typhoon maker's website for more info.
That lucky gunner got to fire off a few rounds for the TV crew. Some of you might have seen the footage.
Reference:
ST Kinetics Naval Remote Weapon System (NRWS):
http://www.stengg.com/CoyCapPro/detail.aspx?pdid=206
Rafael Typhoon
http://www.rafael.co.il/web/rafnew/products/nav-typhoon.htm
http://www.rafael.co.il/web/rafnew/products/brochures/Typhoon_G.pdf
How different is the ST Kinetics version from the Rafael Typhoon? Or is the ST version based entirely on Rafael Typhoon? Why not give it another name?
Furthermore, why did RSN not consider putting some CIWS weapons on board the LSTs? A pair of Phalanx Block 1B would do good on the LST both against low skimmers as well as fast speed boats. I still believe that the reaction time from a radar controlled weapon like the Phalanx is far superior than a human controlled platform, both remotely controlled or physical manned ones like the CIS 0.5s. -
I didn't see the video footage but if you examine the picture carefully, you can see some empty cartridges just in front of the gun's pedestral.Originally posted by ChineseJunk:Yes, that's right. Those things can be fired using a joystick and a TV screen for guidance.
The photo op was non tactical but I think it gives readers a sense of scale. The auntie in Tampines and the pak chik in Boon Lay doesn't really know how to go to the Typhoon maker's website for more info.
That lucky gunner got to fire off a few rounds for the TV crew. Some of you might have seen the footage.
manning the gun manually does look very comical, and how is the gunner going to aim the gun without any gun-sights? -
Seasons greetings ChineseJunk and all,Originally posted by ChineseJunk:Hi All,
ChineseJunk went to see the Arab dhows.....
Coalition Warship 207 is one hard target. Take my word for it.
There's a limit to how much we can write without compromising opsec. I think it's prudent that we all not compromise the safety of the ship's company.
Even the Typhoon gun... I had to bargain for that one. That's why I could only use "25mm gun" in the first article and some of you thought I actually meant the 76mm A gun.
I somewhat suspect that anyone attempting a Tamil Tiger-style mass suicide boat attack will be in for some rather nasty surprises and will get to meet their god quickly.
All I can say is the ship is ringed with many, many weapons (typical KS Singaporeans
) and the ship has more MGs than you have fingers and toes. If you're not careful, you could trip over one while strolling on deck.
While I agree with some (only some, not all) of the sentiments expressed in the thread on Network Centric Warfare (i.e. IKC2) and the concerns in the discussion on Courageous, I think the Navy seems to have staffed and armed 207 properly this time.
Pity, can't tell the full story now. Maybe someday... who knows?
Fairyland: the request for better pix. Am working on it!
Have a great 2004.
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Don't tell me Apache/UH1H gunship on board! Just kidding. Welcome back!
I like the focus on ppl on board the RSS Endurance. That's my kind of SAF we can depend on and trust. Hopefully they keep more of LTC Chorpa around and we can rest more easy seeing officers with white hairs (and beer bellys!).......
One day maybe you can describe the 'radomes' on top of the superstructure. I'm guessing SCOT satcoms etc. Barak on board too?! Wow. Appropriate considering it's ASM capability. -
Hi there,Originally posted by Joe Black:Hi ChineseJunk, do u know why the 25mm gun is called Typhoon? I thought ST designed this 25mm naval remote weapon station albeit based on the Rafael's Typhoon.
I'm not sure which edition of The Straits Times you read but I don't recall stating where the Typhoons were made.
It's called Typhoon because that's what its maker calls it... and I'm not referring to ST Engg.
More pictures tomorrow.... don't expect much though. *sighs*
Cheers
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uh..does the endurance carry more than one 25mm gun? oh and is it called coalition warship 207 because its pennant is number 207? (i'm not sure about the pennant number)
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Ever heard of license built? Not everything made in Singapore is invented by us you know? Especially so for Isreali equipment.Originally posted by Joe Black:Hi ChineseJunk, do u know why the 25mm gun is called Typhoon? I thought ST designed this 25mm naval remote weapon station albeit based on the Rafael's Typhoon.
Reference:
ST Kinetics Naval Remote Weapon System (NRWS):
http://www.stengg.com/CoyCapPro/detail.aspx?pdid=206
Rafael Typhoon
http://www.rafael.co.il/web/rafnew/products/nav-typhoon.htm
http://www.rafael.co.il/web/rafnew/products/brochures/Typhoon_G.pdf
How different is the ST Kinetics version from the Rafael Typhoon? Or is the ST version based entirely on Rafael Typhoon? Why not give it another name?
Export of the LST design and legislation issues on export of US military equipment.
Furthermore, why did RSN not consider putting some CIWS weapons on board the LSTs? A pair of Phalanx Block 1B would do good on the LST both against low skimmers as well as fast speed boats. I still believe that the reaction time from a radar controlled weapon like the Phalanx is far superior than a human controlled platform, both remotely controlled or physical manned ones like the CIS 0.5s. -
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Beautiful pic! Would be nice to see a big Singapore Flag on it.Originally posted by IAF:
Sea is choppy. They eat (Buttocks?) too huh? -
Whether we are supporters of our army or we slag off the NS system as a waste of time, it is undeniable that the support operations that our armed forces are carrying out in Iraq right now have the ability to make us proud of them.
It has shown that we have progressed from a nation that needs assistance from others in the early days to a self-sustaining society that can contribute and help out in others time of need.
Bravo to the men of Coalition warship 207, or shall we say RSS ENDURANCE -
Whether we are supporters of our army or we slag off the NS system as a waste of time, it is undeniable that the support operations that our armed forces are carrying out in Iraq right now have the ability to make us proud of them.
It has shown that we have progressed from a nation that needs assistance from others in the early days to a self-sustaining society that can contribute and help out in others time of need.
Bravo to the men of Coalition warship 207, or shall we say RSS ENDURANCE -
The crew of RSS Endurance, deployed in the Gulf, shows that young Singaporeans can deliver when asked to serve.
The Endurance is a formidable fortress out a sea.
But it is not just the hardware that makes her tick as 152 men and 8 women man the ship in three shifts.
The deployment of these high-spirited individuals to the Gulf has given a new dimension to life in the navy.
3SG Ashley Tan, 22-year-old Communications Specialist, said: "When we did our work back in Singapore on our own ship, even with other ships, we knew that it was only training. Whereas now, this is for real."
Cpl Alvin Choo, 23-year-old National Serviceman, Gunner, said: "I'm NSF and I volunteered to come, and I believe it's a great opportunity. I believe it's a great exposure."
1SG Esther See Woon Yee, 28-year-old Radar Navigation Specialist said: "I'm really inspired by my sister, she was involved in this humanitarian aid in East Timor two years back. I see her being moulded into a very strong and independent character. I want to be like her and expose myself more to the outside world."
However leaving their families behind was not easy.
1SG Ng Mei Li, 27-year-old Radar Navigation Specialist, said: "Just a few days before I left I told them. They were very sad and worried. Because they know this time I'm not going for a tour, they know I'm going to a war zone, they're quite worried. But I told them not to worry, I"m coming back, you'll see me again."
They stay in touch with their families via email.
Life onboard the warship is like life on a floating city.
With its own reverse osmosis system, the ship is self-sufficient for drinking water.
It can even supply water for other ships.
And food - a Singaporean obsession - is well taken care of.
1SG Peter Francis, 40-year-old Leading Chef, said: "Food is very important onboard, it keeps the morale and motivates the guys to go on. If we cook the food that's not good, the morale will go down and no one will have any mood to work."
The crew keeps in shape with daily exercises in the evening, called Dog Watch, followed by a hearty game of soccer or a game of badminton.
The officers and crew are due to be back in Singapore in a short while but for them the tour of duty in the Gulf has been an enjoyable and eye-opening experience. - CNA
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the crew was interviewed by channel i news and all the faces were like censored out.
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Returning soon? So this is not a semi-permanent mission? No other LST and crew to relieve them?
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The 21:30hrs New on FIVE showed interviews with 2 female 1SGT and the Leading Chef on board, with their faces in full camera interview.
The huge space below deck, aft of the bow doors had served the personnel as badminton hall and a place to play 'Foosball'.
Perhaps the future badminton reps for the World Thomas Cup competition will come from this crew. -
oh. only the NDU ppl's faces canot be seen.
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I don't think it is meant to be locally fired. As mentioned by others, this is a posed picture.Originally posted by spencer99:I didn't see the video footage but if you examine the picture carefully, you can see some empty cartridges just in front of the gun's pedestral.
manning the gun manually does look very comical, and how is the gunner going to aim the gun without any gun-sights?
Note there is no place for the gunner to stand if the gun were to traverse. The canvas cover is still attached, making identification of the electro optics impossible. -
One question....Originally posted by Fairyland:Beautiful pic! Would be nice to see a big Singapore Flag on it.
Sea is choppy. They eat (Buttocks?) too huh?
Why the personnel have to "stand" instead of sitting down? Isn't the CG higher?
Maybe a former/current NDU can answer this? Is that boat standard equipment? I think I also see a radio antenna in front of the helmsam. Also I noticed that they are not wearing any helmets, isn't that risky? Are they wearing life jackets or kelvar vests or both? -
No mention of rate of fire and range leh..Originally posted by wombat:There you go....
http://www.rafael.co.il/web/rafnew/products/brochures/Typhoon_G.pdf[/url] -
What MG is that mounted on the front of the fast boat?Originally posted by Fairyland:Beautiful pic! Would be nice to see a big Singapore Flag on it.
Sea is choppy. They eat (Buttocks?) too huh?
Definitely not the GPMG right? -
Originally posted by ChineseJunk:
Those MGs are the 0.5cal type right?
[b]Originally posted by Fairyland:
From what I saw on the news, it's looking somewhat exposed to terrorist attack though. Would have been better if they have a Fearless PV as company......
What's the 25mm gun mentioned in the news article? I can only recall 50 cal MGs and Mistral Simbad launcher.
Hi All,
ChineseJunk went to see the Arab dhows.....
Coalition Warship 207 is one hard target. Take my word for it.
There's a limit to how much we can write without compromising opsec. I think it's prudent that we all not compromise the safety of the ship's company.
Even the Typhoon gun... I had to bargain for that one. That's why I could only use "25mm gun" in the first article and some of you thought I actually meant the 76mm A gun.
I somewhat suspect that anyone attempting a Tamil Tiger-style mass suicide boat attack will be in for some rather nasty surprises and will get to meet their god quickly.
All I can say is the ship is ringed with many, many weapons (typical KS Singaporeans ) and the ship has more MGs than you have fingers and toes. If you're not careful, you could trip over one while strolling on deck.
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Are the MG gunners been equip with any NVG or such to enable them to enage enemy or targets in the dark?
Anyone know?