RSS Endurance in Iraq
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I can't find much info on the web on it. But my wild guess is that it may have capabilites similar/close to the ST's NRWS.Originally posted by Paladin:No mention of rate of fire and range leh..
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The rate of fire and range will depend mainly on the gun, calibre that is mounted on the system. The one on the RSS Endurance probably is the same as the one mounted on our Bionix, which is the Boeing Bushmaster I, 25mm caliber. So if you want to check out the specs , try the Boeing website..
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I presume for a ship the size of Endurance, there should be at least 2 typhoons 25mm guns on each side. Any feedback on this? Also for the readers info the Mistral launchers in the LSTs has been replaced by 2 8cell VLS Barak-1 system.
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Wow, you seem to know alot.Originally posted by damienthedevil:I presume for a ship the size of Endurance, there should be at least 2 typhoons 25mm guns on each side. Any feedback on this? Also for the readers info the Mistral launchers in the LSTs has been replaced by 2 8cell VLS Barak-1 system.
The Typhoons seems to be located between the landing craft davits. One on each side I think.
Why take out the Mistral launchers? To reduce manning requirements? Seems you take out another layer of redundancy - the Mark I eyeball kind with fantastic neural net processing behind it!
I just found out, apparantly, the Typhoons have been modified by STK to mount 2x2 Igla-S missiles! They have related E/O with laser rangefinder. Besides the 25mm gun there's also a co-axial mounted 7.62mm gun as shown in the picture posted. So the Mistral Simbad can go............on standby?
I think there are more than 2 Typhoons on board RSS Endurance and they are probably of different variants too! 
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Will other LSTs be included in this upgrade as well?Originally posted by damienthedevil:I presume for a ship the size of Endurance, there should be at least 2 typhoons 25mm guns on each side. Any feedback on this? Also for the readers info the Mistral launchers in the LSTs has been replaced by 2 8cell VLS Barak-1 system.
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have to look at the mast to confirm. Barak installed means the associated FCS would have to be installed too. (EL/M 2221 STGR) If u can spot that, then the Barak should also be onboard.
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On top of the wheelhouse, there is an IR/TV director. Would that be sufficient to direct the Barak missiles? What about the EL/M-2238 3D radar. it can serve as the ship's surface gunnery and anti air/anti missile fire control systemsOriginally posted by koxinga:have to look at the mast to confirm. Barak installed means the associated FCS would have to be installed too. (EL/M 2221 STGR) If u can spot that, then the Barak should also be onboard.
Source: http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/radar_systems/naval_radars/Naval_Radars.html
The 3D-STAR is a multi-purpose, modern naval radar system, representing superior performance capabilities in surface and air search as well as threat alert. The STAR is particularly well suited to supporting the operations of anti-air missile (AAM) weapon systems and is also capable of supporting surface gunnery engagements through a unique splash-spotting capability.
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Unlikely bah. Yes, it is possible to use a surface search radar to direct a missile. But normally, this is not done because it will only limit you to a single beam to luminate the target and you will get blinded while the radar is doing the illumination.
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I believe the picture last printed in The Straits Times revealed new radiomes on the superstructures very close to the radar mast.
The picture posted by JB must be a while ago? -
hehe.. upgrades are ever-continous.. thanks to our local engineers.Originally posted by Fairyland:I believe the picture last printed in The Straits Times revealed new radiomes on the superstructures very close to the radar mast.
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The Endurance class of ships is still considered quite new and are already undergoing upgrades. This says a lot about the commitment Mindef have towards the navy. I have recently come across an article saying that besides the new Endurance class ships,Singapore also aquire one 2nd-hand LST from another navy to replace the old American WW II ones. Can anyone confirm this? Pictures are appreciated.
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I think you are talking about the ex-RN "Sir Lancelot" class LST or something. Very very old ship. She served in the 1982 Falkland Islands conflict which was 20 years ago. And she wasn't new then.
And this is old news already. She was acquired from the RN close to 5 years ago. Probably as an interim measure when the ex-USN LST were very old and the Endurance class still not in service yet. Not that the Endurance class is in service don't know what she will do. Probably continue to use her as a support vessel. Noticed that we use to have 6 LST but only buy 4 new Endurance LST and 1 old ex-RN LST. probably in a few years time will retire the old ex-RN LST and buy 2 more new "improved LSTs"! -
RSS Perseverence wasn't bought from the Royal Navy. Sir Lancelot was already sold of to civilians, in fact, it changed hands twice before landing in RSN. Prior to RSN, she was actually a floating casino.Originally posted by spencer99:I think you are talking about the ex-RN "Sir Lancelot" class LST or something. Very very old ship. She served in the 1982 Falkland Islands conflict which was 20 years ago. And she wasn't new then.
And this is old news already. She was acquired from the RN close to 5 years ago. Probably as an interim measure when the ex-USN LST were very old and the Endurance class still not in service yet. Not that the Endurance class is in service don't know what she will do. Probably continue to use her as a support vessel. Noticed that we use to have 6 LST but only buy 4 new Endurance LST and 1 old ex-RN LST. probably in a few years time will retire the old ex-RN LST and buy 2 more new "improved LSTs"!
The 4 current Endurance LPDs (I like to call it rather than LST) have the cargo capacity approximately to the 6 old County class.
With the ex-Sir Lancelot, RSN actually has a higher load capacity than before.
Personally, I hope RSN convert the RSS Perseverence to an auxillary/replenish ship in support for future green water/blue water operation, or into a submarine support/rescue vessel. RSN should then add 1 LPH similar to either the Italian San Giorgio class, Korean LPX or Japanese Osumi class. This LPH can act as the command ship for any "Task force" RSN may put up.
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I agree. Actually the Endurance is really value-added. First lower manning requirements due to more automation ship for ship. And then more cargo capacity so 4 ship equal to 6 ships. Also much faster speed so faster turn-around.
yeah with 6 frigates we will need probably have a requirement for a dedicated underway replenishment vessel to support long distance deployment.
thanks for clarifying on the origins of ex-Sir Lancelot. It is really a very old ship. I wonder what is its manning requirements. -
Percy was ex-Lowland Lancer, a casino ship that operated off South Africa.Originally posted by Joe Black:RSS Perseverence wasn't bought from the Royal Navy. Sir Lancelot was already sold of to civilians, in fact, it changed hands twice before landing in RSN. Prior to RSN, she was actually a floating casino.
The 4 current Endurance LPDs (I like to call it rather than LST) have the cargo capacity approximately to the 6 old County class.
With the ex-Sir Lancelot, RSN actually has a higher load capacity than before.
Personally, I hope RSN convert the RSS Perseverence to an auxillary/replenish ship in support for future green water/blue water operation, or into a submarine support/rescue vessel. RSN should then add 1 LPH similar to either the Italian San Giorgio class, Korean LPX or Japanese Osumi class. This LPH can act as the command ship for any "Task force" RSN may put up.
Just my 2 cents.
fyi, there's no more RSS Perseverence. She was decommissioned several years ago and was transferred to the merchant marine, under a Singapore flag (what else). Also been demilitarised.... liao.
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Thanks for the update so they flog off the old bugger... I really have to keep up current events.
Anyway, the underway replenishment vessel requirement remains once the frigates are operational. I wonder if the Endurance class can also support this requirement. -
So what's the new name for the ex RSS Perserverance? What's her role in the merchant marine? Any info?
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aiya, so sad, this was not even made known publicly. Having browsed through the RSN website, I am amazed how little info they provide about the current ORBAT. The info about each ship is a little too brief. Sometimes, it is far better to dig out the latest Jane's Fighting Ships and some reputated military journals than to go to any of Mindef websitesOriginally posted by ChineseJunk:Percy was ex-Lowland Lancer, a casino ship that operated off South Africa.
fyi, there's no more RSS Perseverence. She was decommissioned several years ago and was transferred to the merchant marine, under a Singapore flag (what else). Also been demilitarised.... liao.
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That is the Satcom (Satellite Communicator receiver/Transmitter), There is another "golf ball" radome above the wheelhouse could be some communication, and/or command and control thingy.Originally posted by Fairyland:I believe the picture last printed in The Straits Times revealed new radiomes on the superstructures very close to the radar mast.
The picture posted by JB must be a while ago?
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Serveral years? How can it be.Originally posted by ChineseJunk:Percy was ex-Lowland Lancer, a casino ship that operated off South Africa.
fyi, there's no more RSS Perseverence. She was decommissioned several years ago and was transferred to the merchant marine, under a Singapore flag (what else). Also been demilitarised.... liao.
db I found a photos (taken in July 3rd 2001) which shows RSS Endurance and the RSS Perseverance together.
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and, I also found the RSN News on the retirement of Perseverance in Sept 2001
http://www.mindef.gov.sg/navy/navynews/archives/2001/2001_09.html
So, it was barely over 2 years ago that RSS Perseverance was decommissioned. How I wished it was converted into an auxillary/replenishment ship instead.
Anyway, ChineseJunk, do you know if RSN would expand the sealift/assault capabilities? I am thinking that perhaps it is time to reconsider introducing LCAC type vessels for the Endurance (ST Marine built a hovercraft a while ago - what happen to it), and perhaps introduce a LHD/LPH type vessel. -
A couple of questions to all in the know (and I believe it's very ok to answer ):
What is the role of the merchant marine in RSN? Ships that operate under RSN are on lease or are they owned by RSN? So if RSS Perserverance has been decommissioned and put to merchant marine, what does that mean? Sold off to a civilian operator?
Would like to understand how it works. MV Kendrick for eg, how does it work? Can RSN bring her to a 'war situation' if she doesn't own the ship?
BTW Joe Black thanks for the picture. Nice.
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From Joe Black:
"Serveral years? How can it be. I found a photos (taken in July 3rd 2001) which shows RSS Endurance and the RSS Perseverance together.
So, it was barely over 2 years ago that RSS Perseverance was decommissioned
Percy was commercialised in August 2001. From then till now, makes it several years, right
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I think what is needed now is a type of support ship to provide support to the naval fleet for long range and duration deployments. During peace time we can use it to support our UN peace-keeping missions which i predict will increase with time. During peace time the ship can keep the fleet longer out at sea for the patrolling and guarding of SLOC(such as in the Straits of Malacca and the South China sea) and possible blockade of enemy territorial waters.