RSN next gen missile corvette replacement.
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So now that the navy's stealthy frigate are under construction and ST has all the know-how now. im sure we'll be seeing a Visby class lookalike in the future. Any ideas on the arms carried and combat systems?
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Don't think it will be an immediate future. The next focus should be a new fleet of submarines. Then the MCV replacement. BTW, I still feel that the MCVs are still too new and really still good for a while.Originally posted by V1NS@niTY:So now that the navy's stealthy frigated are under construction and ST has all the know-how now. im sure we'll be seeing a Visby class lookalike in the future. Any ideas on the arms carried and combat systems? -
I think its a bit early to consider this as the missile corvettes are still relatively new. However, it will be a great idea to predict what will be the likely replacement for it. I personally think the Visby class will suit the RSN as it fits well into the overall SAF policy of going stealth.
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Well guys, Swedish Prime Minister here to discuss sale of Vastergotland class subs to RSN........
Speculation in latest IMDEX show according to Asia Pacific Reporter.
Makes some sense since they have undergone the same tropicalisation programme as Sjoormens lately.
Good way to lock Singapore into the Viking class. They will probably be 'cheap' too. Another step up the ladder before the real thingy!
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I think the next item on the list are a couple of Offshore patrol vessels (OPV). These will be built by ST Marine. The expertise will be those gained from building the stealth frigates.
It is similar to how we built the PVs after building some of the MCVs.
This is out in the open domain. I think there is even a mockup of the OPV. -
I remember reading about a display of several ST Marine models in the last AA show and IMDEX - 80m length with heli-deck if correct.
But why OPVs? What roles will they serve? Singapore don't really have a Offshore Economic Zone?
Maybe there is some confusion with the tender for the New Zealand navy? ST Marine has made proposal to them for Endurance LST.......probably Fearless for the Inshore patrol craft but don't know what for their OPV requirement which involves ICE BREAKING capability![/b] -
Heres wat i think that might be incoporated in the future OPVs or corvettes.
- High-energy laser to intercept incoming missiles and aircraft.
- Ultra-rapid Naval Gun that can be retracted to increase ship's stealth
- Or even better, small scale gauss gun
- Next-Gen Super-sonic antiship sea-skimming missiles
- Ultra-quiet waterjet propulsion system
- Fog machine to hide ship
- Radar absorbent paint and make the ship look "invisible" at long distances
- Flat surfaces and ultra-low profile to increase stealth.
- and of course the latest targeting, navigational and EW suites.
- ability to host naval UAVs.
- new torpedoes
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you miss the special microwave oven for cooking buttocks!
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oh yar... i like to add something called smart mines. Basically a torpedo in a capsule dropped off in an area. It sinks to the required depth and waits for nearby enemy ship to arrive. Sends back info to mothership if there is a target. mothership can then choose to engage target. BOOM! torpedo blasts out from capsule and attacks enemy vessel. By the time the enemy realises theres an incoming torpedo, they would already be knee-deep in water. for increased effect, drop off more mines in area to increase chances of sinking vessel.
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OPV cannot have all those stuff meh?
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can.u build one powered by nuclear and dump approximately 2billion$ for e R&D and everything lor.Originally posted by V1NS@niTY:OPV cannot have all those stuff meh? -
Eh 2 billion quite ok wat.... juz spread it over abt 3-5 yrs lar.... for that sum can get next-gen naval vessel quite cheap liao. Can totally leap frog all the navies in this region.
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Well, most OPVs I know come in the other direction.......Originally posted by V1NS@niTY:OPV cannot have all those stuff meh?
The cheapest part of a warship is actually the hull and associated stuffs. It's the weapons systems that accounts for the bulk of the costs........
I think the cost for Delta frigates is around US$170m but some have speculated it is too low a figure and thinks that the price for the hulls only.
So the OPV which is basically an empty warship in waiting able to be re-configured to a full fledged one in times of war. These OPVs are used in peace time for fisheries protection and patrol of Offshore Economic Zones.
Look at the UK and Irish navy for an idea of OPVs. I think there's the Castle class, Cassiopea(now part of Philipine navy?) and there's a new River class.
Some time back, I read SingTech actually got the design rights to one of them - Eithne class. Strangely the dimensions for the 'Stealth OPV' is very similar too.
Please visit the unofficial irish navy website for a description of their OPVs:
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Geyser/2790/NavalService/navals.html
Having read ST Marine's press release for the IMDEX03....... when a vessel is 27m how much more stealthy do you need to make it?
Mr David Copperfield........anyone?
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You take 2 billion and divide it among all Singaporean tax payers.......I think not a small sum for each one.Originally posted by V1NS@niTY:Eh 2 billion quite ok wat.... juz spread it over abt 3-5 yrs lar.... for that sum can get next-gen naval vessel quite cheap liao. Can totally leap frog all the navies in this region.
Better still you take 2 billion and divide it among all COE holders I can install VKOOL .......
You take 2 billion and donate it to Renci......then ban ppl from doing dangerous stunts!
I think that's a ultra orgamisc idea......I'm having trouble sleeping since I saw cute Kym Ng's face sooooooo stressed out (poor thing)on TV
Then we short of nuclear powered OPV? How?!!! The end is near! -
singapore in e NNP thingy leh. u want wud high powered laser etc. no nuclear power ur OPV on e laser 2s den dry up liao.
in conclusion, no power source dun put so much high tech stuff. wuds worse den a high and dry OPV floating in open waters sia. -
Procuring new SSKs is one issue, being able to create our very own genuine submarine ethos is another. And a very serious one at that.
Any Tom dick or Harry country with hard cash and a pool can start it's own "silent service", but it's countries with very strong cutures and foundations in submarine operations and warfare that will excel.
Creating something like that of the RN's is still currently out of reach, but Singapore should strive to use the examples of the German Navy and the Royal Netherlands Navy in the creation of our very own submarine culture and excellence.
Some snap suggestions:
1) Starting a submarine training centre with doctrine and experience relevant to our conditions and capabilities. This would apply not only to the crew onboard the boats but also all staff related to submarine operations. Land or sea based.
2) Development of adequate and efficient specialized logistic support and maintenance infrastructures catered specifically for Submarines. Cant expect all facilities meant for surface vessels to suit a sub 100% can't we?
3) Developement of our own industries and agencies with the capability of enhancing/upgrading older subs, repairing serious damages and having the ability to carry out modelling and simulation experiments, investigations and tests locally to satisfy whatever requirement the RSN wants.
4) Developing a solid and 100% operationally capable and relevent DSRV ability. Not just procuring a DSRV vessel and a tender ship from some other country but developing our own DSRV TRADOC with full peripheral support and all. -
Agree on the culture and ethos required to excel in sub ops. The Israelis learn it the hard way with one sinking.........I pray we don't have another RSS Courageous with the subs.Originally posted by Laplace:Procuring new SSKs is one issue, being able to create our very own genuine submarine ethos is another. And a very serious one at that.
Any Tom dick or Harry country with hard cash and a pool can start it's own "silent service", but it's countries with very strong cutures and foundations in submarine operations and warfare that will excel.
Creating something like that of the RN's is still currently out of reach, but Singapore should strive to use the examples of the German Navy and the Royal Netherlands Navy in the creation of our very own submarine culture and excellence.
Some snap suggestions:
1) Starting a submarine training centre with doctrine and experience relevant to our conditions and capabilities. This would apply not only to the crew onboard the boats but also all staff related to submarine operations. Land or sea based.
2) Development of adequate and efficient specialized logistic support and maintenance infrastructures catered specifically for Submarines. Cant expect all facilities meant for surface vessels to suit a sub 100% can't we?
3) Developement of our own industries and agencies with the capability of enhancing/upgrading older subs, repairing serious damages and having the ability to carry out modelling and simulation experiments, investigations and tests locally to satisfy whatever requirement the RSN wants.
4) Developing a solid and 100% operationally capable and relevent DSRV ability. Not just procuring a DSRV vessel and a tender ship from some other country but developing our own DSRV TRADOC with full peripheral support and all.
The Indian Navy had a interesting idea for sub rescue - they put a rescue sphere into their Type 209 subs and the whole crew can evac into it and eject themselves to the surface.
DSRVs? From my limited understanding they are useful in deeper waters........In shallow and warmer waters, you just wear an escape suit(for RN) or a hood(for USN) and pop up to the surface. Alternatively you can use a diving bell as was trialled in the last sub rescue exercise hosted by RSN.
I tot we already got a submarine rescue facility on board MV Kendrick with a diving bell and some containerised pressure chamber from a South African diving equipment vendor?
Also remember a couple of years ago DPM Tony Tan went around the world looking to make arrangements to use their training facilities..........one interesting item is a mult-storey cylindrical pool where the submariner practises the 'popping up' routine.
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Out Visby class lookalike should be called Gatsby.
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Then when you like the name? Do you sing"when you are happy and you know you clap your hair"?
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Yar, that was what i imagined it to be.. like the DD21.
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Fairyland, why the A19 Vastergotlands, when we should go for the Viking.
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next big purchase for the SAF would most likely be for the air force....the navy has been spending alot the pass few years while the other services arent really spending alot on new stuff.But yea i think the next buy for the RSN would be new subs or somemore PVs.Also the MCV's are quite new leh.....
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The A19 class are known as the Gotlands, the A17s the Vastergotlands..., might as well buy the Viking, as the timeframe would be more closer to our probable replacement for the Challenger class (ex A11 Sjoormen class)Originally posted by damienthedevil:Fairyland, why the A19 Vastergotlands, when we should go for the Viking. -
Undoubtfully the next singapore's Naval acquisition could be a brand new submarine fleet while retaining the existing Ex-sjoormen sub training ship.The design of the new RSS submarines will be probably be modified or derive from Gotland or Viking maybe even the HDW U212.
ONe thing for definite thats the New ship will be fitted with the AIP system..
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Its even better if singapore decides to acquire Destroyer
for protjection of POwer in S.E.A region