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juz wonderin u guys would be able to help me out here... i need some opinions and ideas for my sch assignment... its like tis..
Describe a scenario where Singapore might find itself in a drawn out war. Be sure to identify the enemy (country, terrorist group, etc). Detail the circumstances leading up to the start of the war and provide an assessment of how Singapore might fare in the conflict.
What might have been done to avoid the war? What could have been done to best prepare for it?
Conclude your presentation with an analysis of how the war might affect Singapore economically, socially and politically. i got some ideas myself.. juz to name one.. here goes.. 
1 - Ultranationalists in the MAF and the malaysian parliament starts a coup de' tat and overthrows pm abdullah badawi's administration. The ultranationalists demands the return of pedra branca and seizes the island overnight, sinking nearby RSN vessels in a surprise attack. The water supply is too cut off due to the "unreasonable" prices it is being paid for..
keep in mind tis is only a ficticious idea and that i dun have anythin against our neighbours.. hee.
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Just a comment, ur story sounds like one i read in this forum previously, one that was posted from a TJC forum, i cant locate the exact thread. Apologies.
As for a scenario, say in the next M'sia election, PAS wins takes over the government and rule for a Singapore reunification n thus launches a military attack on our small little red dot nation determined to call it a state n force all citizens to convert to Islam. -
PAS or ultranationalist.... they speak very loud,... but they aint that stupid...
you dont go around wacking another nation right after a revolution bloodshed in your own country...
worst of all... you dont pick a country stronger then you to wack immediately after a coup.
if ever.. malaysia wanna wack us... they will wack us when they think that they are stronger and have absolute confident of winning... NOT when they are weaker and have no confidence in winning....
a more probable story would be as follow...
During the massacre of chinese in may 13 1969... a lone chinese boy hidden on top of a tree, watched helplessly and in horror as his entire family were butchered mercillessly and his sisters some as young as 8 were gang raped by a bunch of axe-wielding malay mobs with the help of malaysian army.
Scar for life... the boy fled his burning village in the dark... hungry, cold and sick... still reeling from the shock of what just happened... he finally fainted and lost total consciousness....
Afew days later when he awoke... he found himself in a singapore home... a family of kind chinese has found him lying on the road when they were rushing back to singapore during the riot of may 13... out of pity they brought him along... fearing that he will never survive otherwise.
The boy out of fear... claimed that his "singaporean" family has been killed during that fateful night and has no one to turn to.
Out of pity ... the singapore family adopted him and eventually helped him get a singapore citizenship.
The boy studied hard, winning many scholarship and was considered a genius.... eventually becoming a famous politician at a very yound age...
Finally after decades of hardwork... he became the PM of singapore.... invested with the power and full authority of the SAF at his fingertips.
Unknown to many... every night... this PM of singapore never sleeps... for the moment he close his eyes... he would hear the horror screams and helpless crys of his lost family on that fateful may 13.... every night... he dreamt of his sisters raped and his parents corpse all raising a hand towards him hiding on top of the tree....crying out for blood... and vengeance....
Yet through the years... his wisdom has grown... and he knew that the singaporeans trust and faith in him must never be abused for his personal vengeance...
He must keep the peace and the prosperity of singapore... to wage a war against another nation would destroy all that and many lives would be lost... many orphans like he himself would be created...
Understanding the value of peace, racial harmony and prosperity... he took solace in his contribution to singapore and seeks to build strong ties with all nations big and small including malaysia....
Tonight... on may 12 2013, the eve of the 44th anniversary of the racial riot of may 13 1969.... the PM of singapore prayed alone in his office, as like every may 13 in remembrance of his lost family who have no graves for him to place his flowers... a phone rang in the next room...
The phone can wait... he thinks in silent prayer.... whatever serious matter... it can wait awhile until he finish his prayer... as he continue his thoughts of his lost family...
In the distance... he heard his secretary picked up the phone... the room back in silence once again....
As the grandfather clock in his room begins to chime the 12am chime... he begs for his families forgiveness for not seeking vengeance.... the date... may 13, 2013.. the 44th aniversary.... he suddenly noticed the ill-fated number of this date.. there are two 13 and two 4 in the date... a sign of ominous event to occur?
Afew more phones later, a sharp creak behind him broke his thoughts as it notify him that someone, most probably his secretary has open the door behind him...
As the grandfather clock chimes its last chime... the singapore PM opens his eye... looking north... and took a deep breath..
"Prime minister, Sir" the secretary speaks in a gentle but firm voice.... without waiting for his PM's answer.. he continued:" pardon the intrusion... but it seems we got big trouble to the north"
The PM took another deep breath and exhaled.... before answering "what does abdullah the old crone wants this time..." closing his eyes again... he visualise the old malaysian PM in a wheelchair.. half senile old goat who refuse to retire after years on a wheelchair due to a stroke....
"ummm....." the secretary replied... and continued... " i dont think he would be wanting anything now... he died".
The singapore PM... barely turning his head and answered... " its expected...nothing surprising about that.... i was wondering how much longer he can cough his lungs out, so... whose in charge now?"
"He certainly wasnt in the pink of health sir..." came the secretaries reply...and continued "unfortunately... he didnt died of ill health... and the new man in charge is DATO Nanpa."
" what do you mean.. how did you know he didnt died of ill health??" the PM asked...as 3 letters float into his mind I.S.D. as he wondered... if there is any place in this world... those agents cant put their greasy fingers into.
" well... according to our spies... it appears that the old man could well be suffocated to death by DATO Nanpa in abdullah's bedroom in a private meeting." came the reply.
"oh.... now that is certainly a new way to get into power.. but isnt Nanpa a small fry in UMNO?? i do remember abdullah locked the chap up for trying to blow up our water pipe... how did he get into the top seat? where is najib?" asked the PM... half expecting the worst.
" najib is missing.. we believe he might have been terminated..." came the answer...
" i see... and the MAF?" asked the PM... knowning the answer well before asking the question.
" they are behind him... for some reason... we have yet to find out, although we strongly believe not all units are backing him." says the secretary...
" nonetheless... without najib... the other units would not move against nanpa or his personal army"... as the PM finally took a seat. he continued..." for better or worst... we need to seek a line with this man... we wont interfere in malaysia politics... but we must seek an understanding"
"i'm afraid he has already called us in advance..."says the secretary... "one of the phone just now was from him" he continued... "and he has makes some demands PM sir"
The PM looks up and give a wry look on his face and asked.." let me guess... pedra branca? water? railwar? airspace? money? or just simply... asking us to stay out of their squabbles? which one?"
" none of the above sir..."says the secretary to the surprise of the PM... as he continued" he wants us to open our border.."
The PM surprised and asked..."wait a minute.. our borders are open... what does he mean??"
"well... PM sir... he wants us to open our border to permit the arrival of 6 million malaysian chinese that he is expelling from his country!" says the secretary...
The secretary continues" it appears that he has decreed the confiscation of all properties belonging to chinese and has revoked all malaysian chinese citizenship"
"the MAF army and police are already out in full force... chasing the chinese from their homes and putting fire to all chinese villages and robbing the chinese blind... to make matters worst... they got millions of malays running amok with them!" says the secretary...
"they must be MAD!!, there is no way singapore can house more then 10million people overnight!!" shouted the PM as images of his past horros came flashing back to his mind.....he stood a daze while the secretary continues his reports...
over the causeway... dato nanpa was holding a celebration with his supporters and top commanders from MAF... on his rise to power.
afew hours later... he and his top commanders left the party and entered a top secreat MAF base.... there before them on a large table was the map of singapore and johor.
the map was very detailed down to the last dirt road and around them were satellite photos of singapore... behind their room was another room the size of a football field... filled with monitors, computers and several 80 inch wide flat panel monitors.
Nanpa looks on happily and finally sat down as his generals took their seats as well....
Nanpa said" thank you gentlemen for being with me all this time.... for so long, eversince abdullah that half cina babi sat on the seat of PM, we the true sons of the earth, have suffered in silence, today... we have reclaimed what is rightfully ours and soon we will regain the lands we once lost to those cina babis of the south.....my dear generals...for years since abdullah had a stroke, we have planned for this day in earnest... his weakness has made it possible for us to make our moves, we have come far... and we shall not be denied....how is our operation?"
MAF general LC stands up and begin to present the sitrep.
" at 2000 hours since your declaration of marshal law... our forces has begun to force all chinese to johor, we expect the move would end in 48 hours with a bit of 'encouragement' from the local mobs"
" at the same time.. our forces has also begun to converge in johor on the pretext of chasing the chinese hord as well as attempting to 'preserve order' in the transmigration"
"at this moment... 50 percent of peninsula MAF forces has reached johor... while another 40 percent MAF forces in east malaysia are currently on the sea heading for our eastern ports."
" we believe that at current speed... all regular forces of MAF would be able to reach johor by 48 hours bringing our forces to 120,000 men"
" we have also called up large numbers of local militias and past conscripts on the pretext of national crisis to boost our numbers by another 200,000 men."
" we would have a force of at least 300,000 men in johor in 48 hours"
"once the singaporeans open their borders... we will push the malaysian chinese into singapore...to clog up all their roads, at the same time drain singapore of its medical, food and water resources."
"furthermore... we expect the singapore authority to deploy large numbers of troops and police to maintain orders in view of the huge influx of refugees, this would weaken their manpower and dilute their attention."
" once 4 million chinese have crossed the causeway... we would close our side of the border and move the remaining 2 million malaysian chinese to become the human shield for our MAF forces, this would help nullify the immense firepower of RSAF and SAF arty"
" if the SAF fire on us and killed the malaysian chinese... there will be tension in singapore as many malaysian chinese who are separated from their families would worry about the possibilities that their love ones might still be in johor as human shield... they would certainly run amok and before long singapore would be paralysed"
" we believe that as long as we hold the 2 million malaysian chines hostage at all our major base camps and frontlines including beaches and keeps firing rockets, mortars, arty and bullets at singapore indiscriminatly... singapore would soon be forced to surrender.."
" we also believe that the addition of 4 million malaysian chinese in singapore would quickly but surely... dried up singapore's reservoir and food store... the shortage of water and food would led to tensions that would sure to flare and riots would break out in singapore"
nanpa was very very happy with the report... and continued " and obviously we aint gonna accept their surrender.... we are gonna let those singaporean and malaysian chinese starve and died killing each other over a glass of water... muahahahhahahaaaa.a....... after that... we come in and clean house of those filthy babis.. muahahahahahaahaa....."
back in singapore.... the PM has convened a cabinet meeting... and after much discussion... the PM stands up and said " my fellow colleagues... before us.. is a crisis of such magnitude... i fear we may all drown in it before we get to see the sunlight, yet... we cannot leave those poor malaysian chinese who have lost everything overnight to suffer any longer... we must help them. we may not have the means to save everyone of them... but try we will to save as many as we can. therefore... i have decided to open our borders with immediate effect to permit all malaysian chinese refugees into singapore"..
In MAF underground base... DATO Nanpa who was just briefed on singapore's decision open its borders was full of smile...
. as he speaks silently to himself... " and so the fall of singapore begins..." -
The Singapore vs Malaysia thing is stale and boring. Just read through all the threads and come with a story, a lot of discussion has been done on this topic.
I got another idea.
Sometime in the near future, China has become a major economic and military power. On par or even better then America. It has a huge arsenal of nuclear weapons but it does not want to reveal them( something like iraq ). China then allies itself with Pakistan and North Korea forming a New Asian Axis (NAA). North Korea attacks South Korea and Japan with China's help while India has been severely crippled by a massive surprise nuclear attack by Pakistan. ASEAN responds and forms a war comittee. China decides to expand down to SEA and shutdown US bases in SG. ASEAN nations decide to defend Vietnam becuz chinese troops have already taken Laos and Burma. China is also engaged with the US pacific fleet and Taiwan.
So you can have a jungle war story set in vietnam. Vietnamese, SG, Malaysian, Indo, Thai troops valiantly fending off China's massive armies and airforce. While the navies in the region are busy waging a naval war in the straits. -
I like the tripwire story. But a bit unrealistic. At the most they can only evacuate Johor Chinese. The others will have to stream down from KL and other states. The PM wont be so stupid to let them through. Id rather block off ALL entry to SG... only citizens and PR back in. IF MAF wanna use human shield... the americans are gonna come down fast with security council approval. So lets juz use the human shield as a buffer zone. So what if we cant use our ground forces? Send RSAF and RSN to eradicate all MAF aircraft and vessels. After that, bomb them like siao and make daily night raids on KL. WAit until US come then push our way up north with US forces. If got this type of scenario, thailand sure come into picture, they might attack from the north. And brunei might commit some troops to battle MAF in East malaysia. The malay PM is either stupid or crazy to use this sorta tactic...
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interestin idea by tripwire.. if u can cont it.. it will be great..
anyway.. it doesnt need to be a singapore vs malaysia thing.. i noe this has been repeated time and time again.. it can be acts of terrorism or internal affairs.. i hope the ideas here can be conveyed in story form.. seems to be more interesting than the normal mumbo jumbo.. -
AGREED! yeah........but the 1969 purge was true to some certain extend if i am not wrong...........Originally posted by V1NS@niTY:I like the tripwire story. But a bit unrealistic. At the most they can only evacuate Johor Chinese. The others will have to stream down from KL and other states. The PM wont be so stupid to let them through. Id rather block off ALL entry to SG... only citizens and PR back in. IF MAF wanna use human shield... the americans are gonna come down fast with security council approval. So lets juz use the human shield as a buffer zone. So what if we cant use our ground forces? Send RSAF and RSN to eradicate all MAF aircraft and vessels. After that, bomb them like siao and make daily night raids on KL. WAit until US come then push our way up north with US forces. If got this type of scenario, thailand sure come into picture, they might attack from the north. And brunei might commit some troops to battle MAF in East malaysia. The malay PM is either stupid or crazy to use this sorta tactic... -
Realistic scenario would be PAS or some similar ultra-nationalist party secretly form some army and a huge civil war erupts in Malaysia. Northern States vs the southern ones. A few terror bombs go off in Sg. Of course SG cannot just sit back and let the whole thing destabilize the region. So we help KL by giving the separatist regime a taste of SG firepower. So we eventually eradicate the threat and then lead an ASEAN peacekeeping force.
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something slightly different from the usual?
let's say few years down the road,PAS takes control of malaysia, puts down syariah law, doesn't ill treat the non-muslims, but doesn't exactly give them fair treatment.
due to a decade of economic hardship, many ppl (mainly chinese) and disgruntled.
attempting to make use of this situation, some ;local politicians urge the outcasts to stage a revolt. mass hysteria happens in malaysia with non-muslims attacking muslims.
the local government is divided on whether to help PAS or the rebels, while the senile old men and discussing, some nationalist young generals with no war experience except in Red Alert XIII decide to help the rebels by supplying them with weapons and intel.
news of this leaks and PAS declares martial law in southern JB and demands an explaination from Singapore. political bickering goes on for months, during this time, said general continues aiding the rebels, and even sends elite troops into malaysia to assasinate PAS leaders, half the PAS leadership is wiped out in the attempt.
other PAP leaders are powerless against the general's monopoly over the army. some junior leaders try to break away from the general's control.
Singapore goes into civil war.
Malaysia is on the brink of collapse.
Western Indonesia, on the pretense of peace keeping, invades into both Singapore and Malaysia, South Indonesia together with Brunei provide assistance to Singapore.
the RSN was destroyed before it could be deployed, the RSAF lost all the fighter jets kept in singapore due to intense shelling from the West Indo Navy.
75% of SAF is loyal to General Lee. -
something slightly different from the usual?
let's say few years down the road,PAS takes control of malaysia, puts down syariah law, doesn't ill treat the non-muslims, but doesn't exactly give them fair treatment.
due to a decade of economic hardship, many ppl (mainly chinese) and disgruntled.
attempting to make use of this situation, some ;local politicians urge the outcasts to stage a revolt. mass hysteria happens in malaysia with non-muslims attacking muslims.
the local government is divided on whether to help PAS or the rebels, while the senile old men are discussing, some nationalist young generals with no war experience except in Red Alert XIII decide to help the rebels by supplying them with weapons and intel.
news of this leaks and PAS declares martial law in southern JB and demands an explaination from Singapore. political bickering goes on for months, during this time, said general continues aiding the rebels, and even sends elite troops into malaysia to assasinate PAS leaders, half the PAS leadership is wiped out in the attempt.
other PAP leaders are powerless against the general's monopoly over the army. some junior leaders try to break away from the general's control.
Singapore goes into civil war.
Malaysia is on the brink of collapse.
Western Indonesia, on the pretense of peace keeping, invades into both Singapore and Malaysia, South Indonesia together with Brunei provide assistance to Singapore.
the RSN was destroyed before it could be deployed, the RSAF lost all the fighter jets kept in singapore due to intense shelling from the West Indo Navy.
75% of SAF is loyal to General Lee. -
Hmm... I think ISA will come down on that general like a ton of bricks from the Lee Dynasty's super secret ex-R.I. student elite guard.
Try mine...
A radical Islamic terrorist organization realizes that "normal" terrorism will not work as well as they envisioned in driving the US infedels out from SEA and coverting everybody to their fanatic cause, hence they take the next best option.
They decide to make war break out in SEA to fragment ASEAN and weaken their respective governments by fighting each other to the point where they (the real bad guys) can just take over. The logical choice to start this plan would be between Malaysia and Singapore, where the high concentration of westerners would mean a large amount of damage to US interests and the relatively advanced armies would mean a lot of bang and damage and also because this writer want to write about Singapore.
Hence they set off on plan spanning a long series of years to infiltrate the ranks of both the MAF and the SAF, along with their respective governments to spread distrust and cause bilateral friction. And when the time was right, during a time of typical careless war talk from Malaysian politicans, they strike. Operatives from both sides lob a few shells (ASTROS II? 155mm?) at each other, on civillian targets. The resulting confusion is also made worse by a series of attempted bombings and sabatoge on military targets, and in the ever increasing confusion, the mobilization of armies spark off a tense standoff on both sides of the straits, which is turned into full blown war when the terrorists disturb them a bit more.
Naturally, nobody really wins in the battle, Singapore employs it's forward defense tatic and Malaysia fights back, both take losses and the finally sort this out ala. Tom Clancy action and whoop the terrorists. -
Originally posted by kY|e-_-o:
i gt the exact same qn...
hi
juz wonderin u guys would be able to help me out here... i need some opinions and ideas for my sch assignment... its like tis..
[b] Describe a scenario where Singapore might find itself in a drawn out war. Be sure to identify the enemy (country, terrorist group, etc). Detail the circumstances leading up to the start of the war and provide an assessment of how Singapore might fare in the conflict.
What might have been done to avoid the war? What could have been done to best prepare for it?
Conclude your presentation with an analysis of how the war might affect Singapore economically, socially and politically. i got some ideas myself.. juz to name one.. here goes..
1 - Ultranationalists in the MAF and the malaysian parliament starts a coup de' tat and overthrows pm abdullah badawi's administration. The ultranationalists demands the return of pedra branca and seizes the island overnight, sinking nearby RSN vessels in a surprise attack. The water supply is too cut off due to the "unreasonable" prices it is being paid for..
keep in mind tis is only a ficticious idea and that i dun have anythin against our neighbours.. hee.
keep those creative juices flowing guys! [/b][/b]
u r frm np? takin IS module called world issues on s'pore perspective? -
What I would like to thrown into my story...
Heh heh heh... expect a few good licks on the new SM2 tank, lobbing APFSDS from it's low recoil 120mm smoothbore downrange at advancing PT-91S...
The first combat deployment of the newly formed Singapore Lancers, our version of the land warrior outfit carrying SAR-21S4 OICW cool...
Primus delivers guided rounds...
Terrax in action? -
How about intrigue in the U.N. missions that Singapore sends out? It doesn't always have to involve matland.
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Super Puma Down!
Ah Beng 64 is going down! Ah Beng 64 is going down! Ah Beng 64 is down! -
I dreamt up something over the weekend......
My story has to do with the Riau Islands/Indonesia and is centered around a 28 year old SAF scholar commando, Col Tan Bong Bong who frequent Tanjong Pinang every weekend to be serviced by his 3 sex slaves for various reasons of his own - one of which is he suscribed to the 'If you don't use it, you'll loose it!' theory.
Col Bong Bong would be the hero of the story.
I have this picture of tens of thousands of sampans, ppl swimming, making their way towards Singapore due to the Governor with the condensencion of ABRI instigating them to find a better live here.
RSN is hopeless to do anything......CNN, BBC, ABC, CCTV crews filming in real time every move they make. How are you going to use force against this helpless ppl who's only crime is to seek a better live.
Unbeknown to all, one of the sex slaves that boings Bong Bong over the weekend is a happy two timer and happens to know a secret about a powerful general wangker-to......... -
can make into soap opera
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The above sounds a bit like Tom Clancy's sum of all fears but minus the nuke.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Hmm... I think ISA will come down on that general like a ton of bricks from the Lee Dynasty's super secret ex-R.I. student elite guard.
Try mine...
A radical Islamic terrorist organization realizes that "normal" terrorism will not work as well as they envisioned in driving the US infedels out from SEA and coverting everybody to their fanatic cause, hence they take the next best option.
They decide to make war break out in SEA to fragment ASEAN and weaken their respective governments by fighting each other to the point where they (the real bad guys) can just take over. The logical choice to start this plan would be between Malaysia and Singapore, where the high concentration of westerners would mean a large amount of damage to US interests and the relatively advanced armies would mean a lot of bang and damage and also because this writer want to write about Singapore.
Hence they set off on plan spanning a long series of years to infiltrate the ranks of both the MAF and the SAF, along with their respective governments to spread distrust and cause bilateral friction. And when the time was right, during a time of typical careless war talk from Malaysian politicans, they strike. Operatives from both sides lob a few shells (ASTROS II? 155mm?) at each other, on civillian targets. The resulting confusion is also made worse by a series of attempted bombings and sabatoge on military targets, and in the ever increasing confusion, the mobilization of armies spark off a tense standoff on both sides of the straits, which is turned into full blown war when the terrorists disturb them a bit more.
Naturally, nobody really wins in the battle, Singapore employs it's forward defense tatic and Malaysia fights back, both take losses and the finally sort this out ala. Tom Clancy action and whoop the terrorists. -
agreed....
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how about china trying to take over the whole of asia? including singapore?
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Not very likely unless they want to undo all their recent decades of economic progress...Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:how about china trying to take over the whole of asia? including singapore?
What's it with agressor China anyway? Their govt. may be oppressive but they are certainly not expansionist and China has enough of it's own resources anyway. Unless you believe the american propangada novels you read about the chinese being irrationaly expansionist who end up having their armies wooped soundly by the americans who not surprisingly, are written to have little losses... -
hmm.. i noe this is highly unlikely.. to the point it's impossible..
but.. how abt PAP loses the election and is replaced by one of the opposition parties? just giving my two cents view.. 
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Originally posted by Fairyland:
General Wangker-To comes from a family of warriors and he practically grew up in the elite Kors division. Here being a warrior is directly correlated with one's libido. Thus their unit motto(in not too many words) "Die cock standing!"
I dreamt up something over the weekend......
My story has to do with the Riau Islands/Indonesia and is centered around a 28 year old SAF scholar commando, Col Tan Bong Bong who frequent Tanjong Pinang every weekend to be serviced by his 3 sex slaves for various reasons of his own - one of which is he suscribed to the [b]'If you don't use it, you'll loose it!' theory.
Col Bong Bong would be the hero of the story.
I have this picture of tens of thousands of sampans, ppl swimming, making their way towards Singapore due to the Governor with the condensencion of ABRI instigating them to find a better live here.
RSN is hopeless to do anything......CNN, BBC, ABC, CCTV crews filming in real time every move they make. How are you going to use force against this helpless ppl who's only crime is to seek a better live.
Unbeknown to all, one of the sex slaves that boings Bong Bong over the weekend is a happy two timer and happens to know a secret about a powerful general wangker-to.........
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And there's only one flag fit enough to go up that pole if ever there's one. -
How about Malaysia, for reasons unknown for now, uses chemical/biological agents in the water which it sells to Singapore. Singaporeans all get poisoned and die, Singapore gets US backing/aid to invade Malaysia.
Or... nah sorry I am not very good at this heh. Excuse me. -
Singapore does not need to invade Malaysia, they will get their butts santioned off, along with Singaporean response strikes ASEAN turns a blind eye to.