The flying list for AA2004 is out!
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1
Royal Australian Air Force
F-111C* Fighter Bomber
2
The Boeing Company
F-15E Strike Eagle Strike Fighter
3
US DoD
F-16CJ Falcon Multirole Fighter
4
Embraer
ERJ 170* Regional Jet
5
French Air Force
Mirage 2000 RDI Multirole Fighter
6
Eurocopter S.E.A.
EC-135* Multipurpose Helicopter
7
The Boeing Company
Apache AH-64D Attack Helicopter
8
US DoD
B-1B Bomber
9
Dassault Aviation
Rafale B.301 Omni-role Fighter
10
US DoD
F-117 Nighthawk* Multirole Fighter
No
Aerobatics Team
Aircraft
Type
1
Surya Kiran*
9 x Kiran MK II* Trainer Aircraft
2
Sarang Helicopter Display Team*
3 x ALH* Advanced Light Helicopter
No
UAV
Aircraft
Type
1
IAI-MALAT
Heron* UAV-MALE -
What the heck, no Typhoon?????
And I was hoping to catch the flying display of this plane again (as I had seen it back in Paris Air Show'99). Has this list been finalized? -
And the Typhoon is still a bloody mockup!
Now if the F-111C and F-117 are indeed coming then this should be a show worth going to!
In an ideal world the Pig would do a "dump and burn" in its flying display but then we all know it isn't so....
Static Display
http://www.asianaerospace.com/ap_static.asp
Flying Display
http://www.asianaerospace.com/ap_flying.asp -
abit boring and stale nowadays. Not much russian participation. Remember 1998 got Flankers!!!
See how. I trying to get trade passes to go in. If not, I wouldnt bother. -
I was wishing the B-2 would visit again, cause I missed that last timeOriginally posted by Viper52:And the Typhoon is still a bloody mockup!
Now if the F-111C and F-117 are indeed coming then this should be a show worth going to!
In an ideal world the Pig would do a "dump and burn" in its flying display but then we all know it isn't so....
Static Display
http://www.asianaerospace.com/ap_static.asp
Flying Display
http://www.asianaerospace.com/ap_flying.asp
Saw the pig doing their "dump and burn" back in aussie, quite impressive, but that was in the nite. Not very sure if it could be seen in the day though.
In my personal view, the aerial aerobatics display abit disappointing...Hopefully that changes. -
I missed the B-2 as well, went to school for a lecture that was cancelledOriginally posted by wombat:I was wishing the B-2 would visit again, cause I missed that last time
Saw the pig doing their "dump and burn" back in aussie, quite impressive, but that was in the nite. Not very sure if it could be seen in the day though.
In my personal view, the aerial aerobatics display abit disappointing...Hopefully that changes.
Yup the aerobatics lineup is quite pathetic...sianz
The "dump and burn" can certainly be seen in the day! I witnessed one at the Avalon airshow in 2001 at 4pm on a summer afternoon! Heres a pic from another site of the 2003 show (seemingly dodgy weather)
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So that means that Typhoon is out of the race to be the plane selected to replace the A4s?Originally posted by Viper52:And the Typhoon is still a bloody mockup!
Now if the F-111C and F-117 are indeed coming then this should be a show worth going to!
In an ideal world the Pig would do a "dump and burn" in its flying display but then we all know it isn't so....
Static Display
http://www.asianaerospace.com/ap_static.asp
Flying Display
http://www.asianaerospace.com/ap_flying.asp -
Well, it could mean they already got the deal...Originally posted by RussianPower:So that means that Typhoon is out of the race to be the plane selected to replace the A4s? -
Hmmm.... trade passes we civilians can enter meh? i tried the last AA. Can't get in...
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Or it could mean they're out.Originally posted by 21Alpha:Well, it could mean they already got the deal...
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Any idea how to get the trade tickets? The goodies like the F-117 and F-111 be on trade days only? Darn! My lectures earliest till one in the afternoon that week!
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U.S. Companies Pressure Major Air Shows To Cut Costs
Aviation Week & Space Technology
01/19/2004, page 404
James R. Asker
Washington
U.S. companies pressure Paris, Farnborough, Singapore, Dubai to cut costs of air shows
A Quickie in Paris?
If the U.S. aerospace industry has its way, there will be fewer lavish international air shows and the ones that survive will be shorter, cost less and have fewer attendees. The gatherings may even dispense with the flying of airplanes.
To effect such change, the Aerospace Industries Assn. of America has fired off a letter to officials of four shows telling them U.S. companies cannot continue to support them in the style to which they have grown accustomed. And the AIA has issued a policy statement intended as a shot across the bow of the smaller shows.
AIA president John Douglass says officials of the four biggest shows--Paris, Farnborough, Singapore and Dubai--have already indicated their "strong interest" in sitting down with U.S. industry to discuss its concerns. An official of the Paris air show said, "Discussions have not gone beyond the exploratory stage yet."
There's nothing new in the sentiment in industry that there are too many shows held too often and at excessive cost. Nor are the arguments for throttling back new: Modern communications and travel mean the industry and its customers don't wait to cut deals at shows. Product life cycles are longer and major players less numerous, so there aren't many new aircraft to see each year. In short, there are fewer reasons to get together face-to-face and kick the tires so often.
The AIA made an effort to get shows downscaled in the mid-1990s--to no avail. But this time, the U.S. companies may actually have a shot at getting the show world to reform, or at least make some significant modifications.
Why? The pivotal event, if there is one, was the Paris show last year. Under pressure from the U.S. government--prompted by a defense secretary profoundly piqued by France's intransigence on the war against Iraq--attendance of military brass and corner-office industrialists was off drastically.
Companies learned long ago that a unilateral approach to lowering their presence wouldn't work; the marketing department would complain the next year that the show cutback had shorted them on sales. So, many were happy to have an external impetus for all to downsize. Mostly, they cut back on the size of their delegations to the show. The result, says Joel Johnson, AIA's international affairs chief, is that most U.S. companies' reaction was, "We got along quite nicely at Paris, thank you."
Even in 2003, the costs for industry were staggering. One large U.S. company cut its delegation in half and still spent about $5 million--$4 million for show expenses and about $6,000 apiece for 150 employees' travel and hotel expenses.
Singapore, in late February, is the next major show. But Farnborough, set for July, may be the next real test of whether the U.S. industry's effort to lessen the pain has any credibility, because arrangements for shows have to be made so far in advance. While the U.S. government clearly wants to tilt toward its staunch ally in the Iraq war, the AIA expects a cutback in American aerospace employees attending the London gathering similar to that at Paris. Adding to the pressure, the dollar's value has slid relative to the pound and euro.
"Show organizers, whether they admit it or not publicly, know they have a problem," Johnson says. Publicly, they may cite growing numbers of companies and attendees, but the exhibits are smaller and space is being discounted. A few shows have even widened the aisles in exhibit halls to make them appear more full, the AIA says.
What's more, the Americans think they have real leverage. "We are the heart and soul of these shows," Douglass says, adding the U.S. accounts for a third to half the industrial presence at the majors.
Still, no one wants the shows to go away. Even though many top execs leave in midweek, the big shows are still seen as unsurpassed opportunities to network.
So, what does industry want? The AIA knows reducing the frequency of most shows is a non-starter, so it is suggesting that shows be shortened. It also wants fees unbundled, complaining that it doesn't allow companies to tailor their presence to their needs. For example, if face-to-face networking remains the main value to the trade, why must allocation of chalet space, aircraft static-display ramp space and exhibit space be linked?[/b] -
In the end, there can only be one clear winner for the fighter competition - F16E/F
I believe this new gen fighter RFP is just another charade, it won't come to anything. They will order more F-16s.
Don't know the rationale for this ...... because someone got the SU30?
I hope those in Mindef will come to their senses![/b] -
Originally posted by Fairyland:
When the F-5 and A-4 have retired from frontline service and the JSF doesn't come online yet (to which LM has already dropped serious hints that it won't), all we would be left with are F-16s?
[b]In the end, there can only be one clear winner for the fighter competition - F16E/F
I believe this new gen fighter RFP is just another charade, it won't come to anything. They will order more F-16s.
Don't know the rationale for this ...... because someone got the SU30?
I hope those in Mindef will come to their senses![/b][/b]
I'm no fan of MINDEF brass, but I don't think they're all that silly to put the proverbial eggs in one basket.
They *might* order one more small batch of Block 52+, but no way the RSAF's next fighter is going to be another F-16, nor the JSF (too long in the future). We will get a new type type in the interim, which is it is anyone's guess. -
This reminds me of the T-33s (rumors has it they got it practically free) supplementing the Strikies before the S211 arrived.Originally posted by Viper52:When the F-5 and A-4 have retired from frontline service and the JSF doesn't come online yet (to which LM has already dropped serious hints that it won't), all we would be left with are F-16s?
I'm no fan of MINDEF brass, but I don't think they're all that silly to put the proverbial eggs in one basket.
They *might* order one more small batch of Block 52+, but no way the RSAF's next fighter is going to be another F-16, nor the JSF (too long in the future). We will get a new type type in the interim, which is it is anyone's guess.
It's not the same thing I know, but the rationale can be applied.
IMHO F-16s (2nd hand F-16As or otherwise) is the best and only interim solution.....
If there's going to be another type , and I bet the fleet will be small, then..........the F15 Eagle for cost reasons. -
[quote]Originally posted by Fairyland:
In the end, there can only be one clear winner for the fighter competition - F16E/F
Sorry..i may be outta da loop..but if i'm not wrong, i thought the viper is already out of the running? Is it back? -
and I concur. I need the NGF is best filled with either Rafale or Typhoon, with Rafale being my favourite as Dassault will transfer lots of technologies to ST Aero. However, I still see their chance of winning quite slim unless the US is willingly to release the source code of the AIM-120 interface to Singapore to be integrated with Rafale. I see a Mica purchase as remote.Originally posted by Viper52:When the F-5 and A-4 have retired from frontline service and the JSF doesn't come online yet (to which LM has already dropped serious hints that it won't), all we would be left with are F-16s?
I'm no fan of MINDEF brass, but I don't think they're all that silly to put the proverbial eggs in one basket.
They *might* order one more small batch of Block 52+, but no way the RSAF's next fighter is going to be another F-16, nor the JSF (too long in the future). We will get a new type type in the interim, which is it is anyone's guess. -
Last time the F-117 was suppose to come...but kenna called to war and they couldnt spare any!Anyway i do not think the F-16 will be our next order.
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Yep! Hopefully this time the F-117 doesn't need to be diverted again! Public days can also see right?Originally posted by |-|05|:Last time the F-117 was suppose to come...but kenna called to war and they couldnt spare any!Anyway i do not think the F-16 will be our next order. -
I feel that if we're buying stuff from other countries, we're buying stuff designed to protect their territory, not ours.
We need to design our own aircraft, just like we need our own SAR2000, Bionix or Primus.Originally posted by Joe Black:and I concur. I need the NGF is best filled with either Rafale or Typhoon, with Rafale being my favourite as Dassault will transfer lots of technologies to ST Aero. However, I still see their chance of winning quite slim unless the US is willingly to release the source code of the AIM-120 interface to Singapore to be integrated with Rafale. I see a Mica purchase as remote. -
sar2000 ? tot was the FH-2000?
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I heard the RSAF have already selected the type of aircraft......
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and what would that be?Originally posted by duotiga83:I heard the RSAF have already selected the type of aircraft...... -
I've heard it was the F-16, among others, until the last 3 was announced....from RSAF personnel, no lessOriginally posted by duotiga83:I heard the RSAF have already selected the type of aircraft...... 
Moral of story: I won't put ANY stock AT ALL on that kind of rumours. They have circulated since the initial 6 were announced, and will continue to circulate till the decision is made -
tmd...20 dollars