Asian Aerospace 2004 Thread
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Sorry, i dun really understand. You mean the YFC clubhouse? I dun see anything wrong with it. The replacement for the piper warriors would probably be the CT-4 since we already have 2 of them.Originally posted by cavsg:at this moment, the aircraft still not decided. anyway where to get the money is a problem, you should know yourself. your building is in what state. -
the building is not fully completed to the original specs.Originally posted by eurofighter:Sorry, i dun really understand. You mean the YFC clubhouse? I dun see anything wrong with it. The replacement for the piper warriors would probably be the CT-4 since we already have 2 of them.
and how many CT-4 is flying? did u know that initially yfc went into alot of trouble becos no insurance company wants to insure it. cos kids are going solo on an aerobatic aircraft. without insurance, the ct-4 cannot have niner victor registration.
alot of things u dun know one, becos u dun get to 'lah kopi' wif your instructors like i do. in fact one approach me for trade passes to aa for yfc students but i only managed to get it on last day tats why you all dun have trade passes to aa. -
ah..insider stuff. dun know much..
So far i have seen one CT-4 doing circuits a few weeks back though. What have they missed out in the building? -
as far as i noe saf is sticking to the flyer as the spider lsv is for export...but can only confirm when i go bk for reservist this julyOriginally posted by eurofighter:I see. Thanks anyway. Is SAF interested in acquiring the spider LSV or are they satisfied with the flyer?
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never wonder why only one CT-4 is flying, why the other one is always in hangar. go ask.Originally posted by eurofighter:ah..insider stuff. dun know much..
So far i have seen one CT-4 doing circuits a few weeks back though. What have they missed out in the building?
somemore I'm not from your club and i know more than u. I'm not eligible under YFC rules. the singaporean taxpayer is paying u to get a CAAS ppl-r. but under the air nav order, as long as the eye sight is corrected by visual aids, anyone who have less than ideal eye sight can fly. however, the yfc decided to use rsaf medical rules to select students. so that makes me not eligible to join the yfc. you think its fair for me and the rest of the population who pay taxes and their sons and daughters are not eligible to get a chance which under caas rules they have the right to do.
the yfc should not be called the yfc. its an airforce squadron. look at how you all operate, down wind change tank, stupid! becos airforce follow the policy of downwind change tanks, the yfc must follow, the correct procedure is change to the fullest tank, if its at the fullest tank, you don't change. your instructors cannot have ratings on more than 2 aircraft becos rsaf policy says so but CAAS does not have this policy and yfc is operating under the rules of CAAS!
kid, i tell u lah, u got no passion for flying ok. u just hope to fly and next time join the airforce and hopefully fly the f-16. this is not what i call passion for flying. u dun even know all these things happening in wssl, everyone on both sides of the runway knows it except 'the kids from yfc' u go ask lah, how many of yfc ppl-r went to convert to a full ppl, u never even bother to find out rite, how to get a full ppl. cos u want to go airforce fly f-16. i've seen pple not from yfc who show more passion about flying than you kids over there.
i know a ceo of an mnc who was taking his singapore ppl then, he tells me how he always envy u pple when he see u yfc kids at the flight ops on fridays taking the gnd papers. "those kids are lucky, they just have to study. i got to fly overseas regularly and i can only study on the plane. i have family and i work till late at night" and some more he does not have the 'computer based questions bank' to help him. everybody knows that yfc keep a question bank of caas ppl questions except caas lah. my fren did not have your luck. he studied very single page of travor thom and memorised by hard, he didn't even have a single instructor to teach him ground school. once i was outside seletar camp, there was this girl complaining to her fren that the instructor scolded her, but 'its not my fault, i 3 months never fly already, i got so many things to study' i told myself, why the f-u@c$k am i paying tax to sponsor such a person to fly. govt give let her fly for free and she never cherish it and still want to complain. u guys are lucky, go solo instructor bring you all go tioman eat lunch, pass ppl got cash reward. i always tell your instructors, yfc is wasting my money.
and sad to say, this is what general aviation is about nowadays. i tell pple i'm a pilot and they dun believe me, you wear specs how can be pilot. rsaf, yfc, caas and sia have done alot of damage to general aviation in singapore. more sad to say, i may live long enough to see ga die out in singapore. to me yfc is not about getting ppl, its an airgrading squadron for rsaf. singaporeans are now heading to malaysia to get their ppls, perhaps in 20 years time, if anyone wants to get a ppl, they have to head to malaysia. becos most probably yfc won't accept them and the rest of the flying clubs operating out of seletar will have closed down. even sia closed its flying club and it became seletar flying club, i wonder how long that club can survive.
so kid, you better cherish what u have now. i've seen too many spl who paid their own money and struggle thru the way. learn from them, thats call passion for flying. and if you got time, learn from madam teoah, she got a wealth of experiences that all your instructors combined lose out to her. i'm always honored to have her fly with me. -
I didnt know so many people are crying for the blood of SYFC students.Originally posted by cavsg:never wonder why only one CT-4 is flying, why the other one is always in hangar. go ask.
somemore I'm not from your club and i know more than u. I'm not eligible under YFC rules. the singaporean taxpayer is paying u to get a CAAS ppl-r. but under the air nav order, as long as the eye sight is corrected by visual aids, anyone who have less than ideal eye sight can fly. however, the yfc decided to use rsaf medical rules to select students. so that makes me not eligible to join the yfc. you think its fair for me and the rest of the population who pay taxes and their sons and daughters are not eligible to get a chance which under caas rules they have the right to do.
the yfc should not be called the yfc. its an airforce squadron. look at how you all operate, down wind change tank, stupid! becos airforce follow the policy of downwind change tanks, the yfc must follow, the correct procedure is change to the fullest tank, if its at the fullest tank, you don't change. your instructors cannot have ratings on more than 2 aircraft becos rsaf policy says so but CAAS does not have this policy and yfc is operating under the rules of CAAS!
kid, i tell u lah, u got no passion for flying ok. u just hope to fly and next time join the airforce and hopefully fly the f-16. this is not what i call passion for flying. u dun even know all these things happening in wssl, everyone on both sides of the runway knows it except 'the kids from yfc' u go ask lah, how many of yfc ppl-r went to convert to a full ppl, u never even bother to find out rite, how to get a full ppl. cos u want to go airforce fly f-16. i've seen pple not from yfc who show more passion about flying than you kids over there.
i know a ceo of an mnc who was taking his singapore ppl then, he tells me how he always envy u pple when he see u yfc kids at the flight ops on fridays taking the gnd papers. "those kids are lucky, they just have to study. i got to fly overseas regularly and i can only study on the plane. i have family and i work till late at night" and some more he does not have the 'computer based questions bank' to help him. everybody knows that yfc keep a question bank of caas ppl questions except caas lah. my fren did not have your luck. he studied very single page of travor thom and memorised by hard, he didn't even have a single instructor to teach him ground school. once i was outside seletar camp, there was this girl complaining to her fren that the instructor scolded her, but 'its not my fault, i 3 months never fly already, i got so many things to study' i told myself, why the f-u@c$k am i paying tax to sponsor such a person to fly. govt give let her fly for free and she never cherish it and still want to complain. u guys are lucky, go solo instructor bring you all go tioman eat lunch, pass ppl got cash reward. i always tell your instructors, yfc is wasting my money.
and sad to say, this is what general aviation is about nowadays. i tell pple i'm a pilot and they dun believe me, you wear specs how can be pilot. rsaf, yfc, caas and sia have done alot of damage to general aviation in singapore. more sad to say, i may live long enough to see ga die out in singapore. to me yfc is not about getting ppl, its an airgrading squadron for rsaf. singaporeans are now heading to malaysia to get their ppls, perhaps in 20 years time, if anyone wants to get a ppl, they have to head to malaysia. becos most probably yfc won't accept them and the rest of the flying clubs operating out of seletar will have closed down. even sia closed its flying club and it became seletar flying club, i wonder how long that club can survive.
so kid, you better cherish what u have now. i've seen too many spl who paid their own money and struggle thru the way. learn from them, thats call passion for flying. and if you got time, learn from madam teoah, she got a wealth of experiences that all your instructors combined lose out to her. i'm always honored to have her fly with me.
What I do know is that there was supposed to be a simulator but it has been put off to a later date due to lack of funds.
I do agree that some SYFC people dun have the right attitude-skipping ground lessons, turning up late for flights, dropping out due to heavy workload etc and that's a great waste in taxpapers' money. The selection citheria is not strigent enough., The interview alone wont weed out these black sheeps. But that is not for me nor anyone else but the General Manager and Ops people to decide.
On the RSAF being a flight grading squadron...True, I agree SYFC is some sort of unofficial RSAF squadron but there are many cases where a PPL from SYFC has been chopped while someone with no background on flying can get into RSAF.
I dun know about others, but for me, I have an interest in the field of aviation and i believe that getting into SYFC will further my interest in this subject.
I didnt realise a joke on the KT-1 replacing our piper warriors can turn out this kind of stuff.
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i want to join SYFC also cannot..
there goes my dream..... took off and flew away -
nonsense, there is 2 other flying clubs in singapore, all u need is $$$. lots of it. or u go johor but its almost the same u pay cos u need to go kl to take ground papers and medical examination, think of airfare and hotel.Originally posted by Moonstriker:i want to join SYFC also cannot..
there goes my dream..... took off and flew away
http://www.eliteflyingclub.com/
http://www.johorflyingclub.com/information.htm
http://singaporeflyingclub.com/
anyway i wun waste my time learning in malaysia, no standard one. there was once a singaporean who failed 3 times for spore ppl, caas even convene a board of inquiry to interview him, instructors and examiners to determine what went wrong. caas feels that he did not have the ability to fly and bar him from any flight test anymore, he went over to johor to take his test, one test pass already. i tot maybe spore very strict, later i found out that one of the examiners was lee boon kiong, sia flying college cfi, that man was ok person. he would give chance one but that guy on his second flight test, before even start out to taxi. he declare radio failure to the examiner, turns out that he did not plug his jack into the comms! we pilots always say malaysia anything boleh, f*** up like him also can pass(his instructor now working at YFC somemore). well no malaysian trained pilot, malaysian or singaporean or american... can fly wif me as co pilot, no standard. -
Originally posted by wombat:
If DTG re-wrote the source code......won't they be using another MCU probably COTS (and super garang MIPS back then)?
I believe I read that DTG rewrote the entire source code or something....make it smaller and easier to maintain. More importantly, gives it the ability to update the threat library anytime.
Not much info on the upgrade, as mindef thrown a big blanket of security over it, and is best remain that way. But I am sure being Singaporeans, we sure KS and cramp a lot of interesting items inside...
Article on what I can find on the E2C upgrade.
http://www.ainonline.com/Publications/asian/asian_02/asn_d102_sporeopenspg2.html
[b]Quoting from website
http://www.navyleague.org/seapower/navy_gives_northrup_grumman_gree.htm
The Hawkeye 2000 improvements include a mission computer upgrade (MCU), based on commercial-off-the-shelf technology, that features the use of advanced control indicator sets (ACISs) for workstations. The MCU--smaller, lighter, and more powerful than computers installed in earlier versions of the E-2C--gives the Hawkeye 2000 a cooperative engagement capability (CEC) that provides the aircraft the ability to fuse data from sensors of other platforms and distribute the information to weapon-firing platforms to permit target engagement by any platform in the net. Hawkeye 2000 also features a new cooling system and integrated satellite communications.
External differences in the Hawkeye 2000 include a steerable circular end-fire array antenna mounted on the underside of the fuselage and a conical satellite communications (SATCOM) antenna mounted atop the rotodome. (Company officials said that a shudder caused by the SATCOM antenna may require relocation of the antenna elsewhere on the aircraft.)
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I think the displays have been changed too....color, touchscreen etc saw a pict on a document on the Mindef website.
CEC would be a great add-on but since we are going our own way with the data-link (at least air interface) how practical will it be to integrate considering they won't give you the source code.......maybe in higher OSI layers........IP link to gateways thru SATCOM??? -
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Anyone see this at AA? ST Bronco on fire.. -
huh?! What happened? It looked fine on the last day of the show.
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More news from AA04 :
1. SG Navy bought a Submarine rescue submersible (SSRV) from Kockums which will be installed on a leased vessel SS Kendricks together with decompression chamber and the whole works by 2004. SG SSRV will be utilise by friendly nations in this region to rescue any of their sunken subs.
2. Flight Magazine indicates that SG will be looking for a new Military Trainer after SG selection of the NGF. It will replace the TA-A4 based in France ( What about the 30 S211 we have in Australia, can't it be used for this role??? ). Bristish Hawk, MIG-AT130, Aermacchi and Korean T-50 are in the so called running.
3. Mystified by this info in the Weyer Naval Ships of the world - It says that SG is acquiring 4 locally built 1,000ton vessels, length is 100metres.( This got nothing to do with the Deltas and don't know how true it is?). Delivery by 2010.
4. SG Navy has acquired Kockums SAM1 unmanned mine sweepers which will be controlled from the Landsort MCM ( Bedok Class ).
Comments on members feedback :
The Bell 609 tilt rotor i was briefed was the military version, which I think will be very ideal for our Navy. It will be only available after Bell fulfilled all the civilian version back orders...say somewhere after 2015.
SG AWACs upgrade undertaken by DSTA was not to the Hawkeye 2000 variant. Ours is 1 generation behind UAE and 2 generation behind the Americans.
SG Army has acquire about 150++ LSVs, it is very unlikely that we will ever have the Spider.
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Just as I expected, as I've stated on Page 2 of the NGF sticky thread. Of the old A-4 units, 143 has transitioned to the F-16, 145 will follow soon and 142 will most likely be using the NGF. That leaves the AJT detachment of 150 Sqn which is using the A-4s in the LIFT role.Originally posted by damienthedevil:More news from AA04 :
2. Flight Magazine indicates that SG will be looking for a new Military Trainer after SG selection of the NGF. It will replace the TA-A4 based in France ( What about the 30 S211 we have in Australia, can't it be used for this role??? ). Bristish Hawk, MIG-AT130, Aermacchi and Korean T-50 are in the so called running.
The S.211s cannot be used, as they are basically basic jet trainers. Performance is too far below a fighter which pilots will have to get used to, this is where the LIFT will come in. LIFT are high performance jet trainers which have real combat capabilities, to train pilots on fast jet operations as well as perform weapons training.
You mentioned Aermacchi, the company builds quite a few aircraft, which particular Aermacchi type? MB.339? -
SYFC,...hmmm... well it brought back fond memories of my time in Junior Flying Club ( It was called by that name then ), Our Club house was in Tanglin Road ( Old CMPB). long time ago. I was Sixteen and I was training to Fly first the motorised glider and then to Cesna 172 ( A very simple and easy to fly plane ). Sadly didn't complete my PPL.
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You mentioned Aermacchi, the company builds quite a few aircraft, which particular Aermacchi type? MB.339?
I think he was reffering to the Aermacchi M-346.
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correct, awst feb 23 issue pg 63, aermacchi is planning to involve singapore companies already.Originally posted by eurofighter:I think he was reffering to the Aermacchi M-346.
Tubroprop trainers like the KT-1, as mentioned earlier, will probably replace the S.211. -
Thanks eurofighter and cavsg, can't keep track of everything!Originally posted by eurofighter:I think he was reffering to the Aermacchi M-346.
Tubroprop trainers like the KT-1, as mentioned earlier, will probably replace the S.211.
I dunno about the KT-1 thing, but I've heard noises that basic fast jet training might be "farmed out" to BAe as well, like airgrading in Tamworth. Not too sure about the reliability of those rumours though. -
back to the same issue again. i prefer rsaf go for nftc instead, i got the newsletter for 2003 from the nftc chaps at aa2004, 14 rsaf pilots were produced by nftc in 2003, 2 got best in a/a and a/g during the course. with the shortage in manpower, sending them to train on the hawks is not a bad idea. we don't have to maintain it, that save us a big pool of technicians required to service it and we don't have to maintain spare parts for it.Originally posted by Viper52:Just as I expected, as I've stated on Page 2 of the NGF sticky thread. Of the old A-4 units, 143 has transitioned to the F-16, 145 will follow soon and 142 will most likely be using the NGF. That leaves the AJT detachment of 150 Sqn which is using the A-4s in the LIFT role.
The S.211s cannot be used, as they are basically basic jet trainers. Performance is too far below a fighter which pilots will have to get used to, this is where the LIFT will come in. LIFT are high performance jet trainers which have real combat capabilities, to train pilots on fast jet operations as well as perform weapons training.
You mentioned Aermacchi, the company builds quite a few aircraft, which particular Aermacchi type? MB.339? -
I hear ya cavsg, but I wonder if NFTC would be able to handle training of the RSAFs entire pool of student fighter pilots, along with its regular commitments, if we do drop LIFT from our requirements and go entirely for NFTC. Your thoughts?Originally posted by cavsg:back to the same issue again. i prefer rsaf go for nftc instead, i got the newsletter for 2003 from the nftc chaps at aa2004, 14 rsaf pilots were produced by nftc in 2003, 2 got best in a/a and a/g during the course. with the shortage in manpower, sending them to train on the hawks is not a bad idea. we don't have to maintain it, that save us a big pool of technicians required to service it and we don't have to maintain spare parts for it. -
well, rather true if those from s.211 are stream to fighter course, nftc may not handle that many but usually the numbers will go down quickly as most dun make the cut after a few lessons. the europeans are setting a similar school,eurotraining, in europe, perhaps both schools can accomadate all our students in future.Originally posted by Viper52:I hear ya cavsg, but I wonder if NFTC would be able to handle training of the RSAFs entire pool of student fighter pilots, along with its regular commitments, if we do drop LIFT from our requirements and go entirely for NFTC. Your thoughts? -
I suppose if both schools have a similar syllabus, it might be workable. Then again, does anyone have a ballpark figure how many graduates from S.211s end up as fighter pilot trainees (ie AJT at Cazaux)?Originally posted by cavsg:well, rather true if those from s.211 are stream to fighter course, nftc may not handle that many but usually the numbers will go down quickly as most dun make the cut after a few lessons. the europeans are setting a similar school,eurotraining, in europe, perhaps both schools can accomadate all our students in future. -
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