Different Punishment System in SAF
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I am utterly pissed off with the punishment system in SAF. An Officer who happened to be a Key Appointment Holder of an unit left the country during the unit's Recall Manning Period. After being found out by the CO, he was left scot-free without a charge or fines and not even any form of punishment. If this happen to be a man or specialist, he would being charged and sent to the DB immediately...
Why is there a double standard between a man and an officer??? Is it that an officer being commissioned by the President should be given a second chance regardless of his mistakes or is it that someone in the organisation is loafing and wasting our taxpayers' money???
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why dun u give SIB or MSD a call?
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I heard that even the AOMC want the CO to write it off... Sigh....
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report to higher authorities...write a letter to MINDEFOriginally posted by Slee981:I heard that even the AOMC want the CO to write it off... Sigh....
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oh....AOMC...hahaOriginally posted by Slee981:I heard that even the AOMC want the CO to write it off... Sigh.... -
its called connections. i mean.. if u caught your friend doing smth wrong, u oso will close one eye right? talk is cheap.
if u can be so righteous, then complain ba.. or else... u just hv to suffer in silence. unless someone can give me another alternative? -
think they'll only accept letters which are properly signed off, meaning u haf to identify urself...Originally posted by sgboy2004:report to higher authorities...write a letter to MINDEF
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Baby sgboy2004
personally, dun think i'll want to send such letters... -
There might be reasons you are not aware of (e.g. compassionate grounds). You should not be too quick to judge if you don't have all the facts.
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Perhaps the officer managed to give his CO some proper reasoning, thus the CO let him off. Must see things from all POVs.
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x 2Originally posted by dkhoo:There might be reasons you are not aware of (e.g. compassionate grounds). You should not be too quick to judge if you don't have all the facts. -
i know that i myself have gotten into trouble which would be eligible for DB... but they didn't even give me any form of punishment, not even extras or confinement...
i guess it comes down to the individual, some officers get 'marked' by the higher authorities too -
Same here, i've nearly got myself into court martial. But good thing, it boils down to not that serious and that I ORDed so more heng.Originally posted by kopiosatu:i know that i myself have gotten into trouble which would be eligible for DB... but they didn't even give me any form of punishment, not even extras or confinement...
i guess it comes down to the individual, some officers get 'marked' by the higher authorities too
SAF punishment is more for deterrence than to give you a black mark for life. -
Thanx for all your prompt reply.. Maybe you can share with us on your experiences on the topic so that the rest and the subsequent future generation can be warned of it...
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we have a nice acronym in the service that best explains this situation....
R.H.I.P (Rank Has Its Privileges) -
its not privilege. its more leeway tt comes wif ur jobscope and increased responsibility. and o cos wif tt a higher chance of making mistakes.Originally posted by SlowPoke:we have a nice acronym in the service that best explains this situation....
R.H.I.P (Rank Has Its Privileges) -
are you sure the guy didnt have an exit permit?
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Well... He left the country during the Recall Manning Period and therefore is allowed to leave the country... Hence it does really matter whether he had the exit permit.. He still deserved to be hanged...
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allowed to leave means CLEAR TO LEAVE. why in the world should he be hung?!
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Sorry... I meant he is NOT allowed to leave the country.. Sorry for the confusions...
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I think the issue about punishment is based more on luck than rank. In my NS days, there were at least two occassions whereby I (as a gun commander) could have been charged (one involving accident and one serious mishap during 155 live firing) and three other commanders of my battery were let off on various occassions (one involving accident and live firing, one involving accident and one involving live firing). In one of the above live firing incidents the battalion's RSM, a WOII (higher in rank than us) almost got charged; he was more severely reprimanded than any of us commanders.
For more details, see my lengthy post on Cockups. -
i wont say its luck.. cos tt leaves things too haphazard. i think full knowledge of each situation is necessary. in the end if rules and law and its application is based on something as random as luck who would obey them?Originally posted by dragonstar:I think the issue about punishment is based more on luck than rank. In my NS days, there were at least two occassions whereby I (as a gun commander) could have been charged (one involving accident and one serious mishap during 155 live firing) and three other commanders of my battery were let off on various occassions (one involving accident and live firing, one involving accident and one involving live firing). In one of the above live firing incidents the battalion's RSM, a WOII (higher in rank than us) almost got charged; he was more severely reprimanded than any of us commanders.
For more details, see my lengthy post on Cockups.