F-111 flaming move
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In the Asian Aerospace 2004 there is a part where the F-111 created a flaming tail near the rear end of the engines by dumping fuel on the hot exhaust. I wonder if this have any combat purpose or is it just a stunt.
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Or was it a mis-fire?
Gee... hope no accident will occur
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I may be wrong....but the only practical purpose i can think of...is to reduce the extra weight of the plane for landing.Originally posted by tankee1981:In the Asian Aerospace 2004 there is a part where the F-111 created a flaming tail near the rear end of the engines by dumping fuel on the hot exhaust. I wonder if this have any combat purpose or is it just a stunt.
More of a stun....but it looks cool !!
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it's actually to reduce weight because the plane may be too heavy for landing and may just snap the landing gears. quoted frm a engineering student
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Viper might have to correct me on this, but I believe if you know you're coming in for a crash landing, standard procedure is to drop all ordinance and dump fuel, to minimise the likelihood of a fire or explosion after the crash.
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it's dumping fuel to meet the landing weight requirement (emergency)...
but people who were sitting around me kept saying it was afterburner -
This acrobatic manoueure is called the 'dump and burn'. Really popular back at home.
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yep its the dump and burn.. carrier pilots do it to meet the maximum weight requirements for the carrier landing..but dunno whether they ignite the fuel or just dump it..
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most of the time i hear about the aircraft just dumping fuel into the sea... not sure if burning was part of it.Originally posted by sgFish:yep its the dump and burn.. carrier pilots do it to meet the maximum weight requirements for the carrier landing..but dunno whether they ignite the fuel or just dump it.. -
You're right, dumping extra fuel is part of the procedure when aircraft have to make an emergency landing, but burning fuel is certainly not part of it.Originally posted by kopiosatu:most of the time i hear about the aircraft just dumping fuel into the sea... not sure if burning was part of it.
The Dump and Burn made by the RAAF Pig at AA is part of their display routine. It is done by simply dumping fuel and lighting the afterburners. Mix open flame with a stream of volatile avgas streaming out behind the aircraft and voila! Dump and Burn!
Because of the location of the Pig's fuel dump (lower fuselage between the exhausts - see attached pic), it is one of few planes able to do this safely. Still its a forbidden stunt in the USAF (when they operated -111s) and only practiced by the Aussies
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actually you dun need to have an emergency in order to dump fuel to land, there maybe technical problems on the plane that may affect the safe arrival to the destination like nav problems or aircon failure. why commercial pilots dump fuel is becos the landing speed is higher and the chances of a brake fire is greater, also the landing distance is longer, if you need to go around, you dun have much runway length to play with. commercial aircraft landing gear can land at max takeoff weight if there is a real emergency and there is no time to dump fuel.
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love the ozzies for their chutzpahOriginally posted by Viper52:Still its a forbidden stunt in the USAF (when they operated -111s) and only practiced by the Aussies -
everytime dump fuel waste $ leh
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hahahaha, u dunno how much fuel is wasted... not just on dumping...Originally posted by nismoS132:everytime dump fuel waste $ leh
there's water particle test too... -
Stupid... on Sunday the F-111 flew too low and everybody who paid to be in the exibition center didn't see the burn, but the people on the beach did...
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maybe the pilot saw someone at the beach having trouble starting his BBQ and decided to help him a bit?Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Stupid... on Sunday the F-111 flew too low and everybody who paid to be in the exibition center didn't see the burn, but the people on the beach did... -
lmao
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No wonder I couldn't see it. Taught it was not performed due to time constraints-the apache was hovering in the air not too far away, waiting for it's turn.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Stupid... on Sunday the F-111 flew too low and everybody who paid to be in the exibition center didn't see the burn, but the people on the beach did... -
Thats true i went on Sunday and was expecting to see this live. However i didn't see anything and i thought i missed it or due to the blinding sun.
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If you listened to the guy giving the commentary, he'll go "Alright ladies and gentlemen, keep your eyes straight in front of you..." just when the F-111 flies out of sight behind the building. And then "There! Isn't that spectular? The famous dump and burn move!"
Of course, all we saw was empty skies...
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Score another own goal. Then again, the display at AA is already too high and too far away already. The solution IMO is to bring the display closer, not higher.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:If you listened to the guy giving the commentary, he'll go "Alright ladies and gentlemen, keep your eyes straight in front of you..." just when the F-111 flies out of sight behind the building. And then "There! Isn't that spectular? The famous dump and burn move!"
Of course, all we saw was empty skies...
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Does the display seem further out this year? It felt like that to me...
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I don't know, have to ask my friend for that. Or maybe cavsg knows?Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Does the display seem further out this year? It felt like that to me...
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i barely saw the flames even when i zoomed all the way (12x zoom)
and when the thing started to burn it was well away from sight...probably too far out...by the time i saw it near the grandstand, it was in the last phase of the burning liao.
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At foreign airshows like RIAT, LIMA and Avalon, when I use my 300mm lens an average fighter-sized aircraft (eg Mirage F-1, F-16, MiG-29) fills the frame of my photos. When I tried using my 300mm at AA with the Pig doing its Dump and Burn the entire aircraft and flame filled the frame of my photo with lots of room to spare. And of course, the Pig is not a small aircraft by any stretch of the imagination. At least, its quite a lot bigger than the 3 I've spoken of.Originally posted by bismarck:i barely saw the flames even when i zoomed all the way (12x zoom)
and when the thing started to burn it was well away from sight...probably too far out...by the time i saw it near the grandstand, it was in the last phase of the burning liao.
tmd
PS. I was shooting from the beach!