Singapore's Next Generation Fighter
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sorry, im just too lazy to read all the 20 pages so here goes nothing..
has anyone considered the jsf 35, or f-35? isn't the nation helping the states along with other countries fund, research and develop this fighter?
be gone f-5Es and the crappy a4s.. we're in this big time..
and how come is the ah-64 under the air force.. not the army?
also, thoughts on the uh-1s and the pumas that we have.. -
Singapore's interested in the JSF, but we're only an observer country in the program, doesn't mean we'll get it, even if we do, we will only get it after the main countries get theirs..
And by the way.. we don't fly crappy F5Es anymore... we fly F5S/T, way more capable... -
but still... aiyoo.. heart pain..
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Nope, we are in since March as a full participantOriginally posted by cheeze:Singapore's interested in the JSF, but we're only an observer country in the program, doesn't mean we'll get it, even if we do, we will only get it after the main countries get theirs..
And by the way.. we don't fly crappy F5Es anymore... we fly F5S/T, way more capable... -
SBST, you are the greatest joker. We are only a level four participant. I suggest you double confirm your info before posting.
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Degree wise, I'm not sure... But there was confirmed a press release in March 2004 regarding this. I'm looking for the link.Originally posted by eurofighter:SBST, you are the greatest joker. We are only a level four participant. I suggest you double confirm your info before posting.
Found it at www.f-16.net
But I'm certain that when F-35 comes in production, we are given priority to buy the A version.
Another thing, EF2000 is facing another delay again.. -
i repeated again quoted on JDWOriginally posted by sbst275:Degree wise, I'm not sure... But there was confirmed a press release in March 2004 regarding this. I'm looking for the link.
Found it at www.f-16.net
But I'm certain that when F-35 comes in production, we are given priority to buy the A version.
Another thing, EF2000 is facing another delay again..
"the country codified its entrance as a Security Co-operation Participation (SCP) by sigining a letter of acceptance"
and may i know what is typhoon delay?
and btw we may buy if it meets the deadline on 2012 production starts.
Cheers -
Ok lah...Originally posted by duotiga83:i repeated again quoted on JDW "the country codified its entrance as a Security Co-operation Participation (SCP) by sigining a letter of acceptance"
and may i know what is typhoon delay?
and btw we may buy if it meets the deadline on 2012 production starts.
Cheers
EF2000 delay is regarding weapons... It is on CNA website on Business section
Yes, participating countries will be given prority to buy -
well i today also read from flight international that Germany has fully supported the Typhoon Tranch 2 programme......CNA is not very accurate info, just for reading pleasure & analysis
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Nothing got to do with Germany, it is UK rather...Originally posted by duotiga83:well i today also read from flight international that Germany has fully supported the Typhoon Tranch 2 programme......CNA is not very accurate info, just for reading pleasure & analysis
CNA info is from AP FYI -
hellllloooooo.....Eurofighter Typhoon is a joint fighter programme with Spain, Germany , Italy And UKOriginally posted by sbst275:Nothing got to do with Germany, it is UK rather...
CNA info is from AP FYI -
Hello to you as well... I'm not talking abt the JV... UK wanted better weapons to be deliverly to be brought forwards... All other 3 members have already sealed their pact and only UK hasn't... It has nothing to do with the JV but rather ONE party wants to do something dif... The CNA news is from the JV manufacturerOriginally posted by duotiga83:hellllloooooo.....Eurofighter Typhoon is a joint fighter programme with Spain, Germany , Italy And UK -
Another similar report also came out from Bloomberg tooOriginally posted by sbst275:Hello to you as well... I'm not talking abt the JV... UK wanted better weapons to be deliverly to be brought forwards... All other 3 members have already sealed their pact and only UK hasn't... It has nothing to do with the JV but rather ONE party wants to do something dif... The CNA news is from the JV manufacturer -
http://www.eurofighter.com/News/
01 July 2004 - Eurofighter Welcome German Government Decision
Eurofighter GmbH welcome the decision by the German Government that effectively provides a route forward for contract signature of the Eurofighter Typhoon Supplement 3/Tranche 2 production contract. Eurofighter, in close collaboration with the Eurofighter Partner Companies, is in detailed discussions with NETMA and the four Partner Nations to finalise a contract that will provide the basis for future production of the Eurofighter Typhoon Weapon System.
Eurofighter Typhoon is now entering service with the Partner Air Forces in Germany, Italy, Spain and the United Kingdom. Tranche 2 is the second production phase of the programme that will see delivery of a more capable aircraft that will meet the operational requirements of the Partner Air Forces well in to the 21st Century. At the same time, Tranche 2 represents the aircraft standard that has won significant interest and commitment in the export market. In particular, Austria has signed a contract for 18 aircraft, Greece has endorsed a future Eurofighter procurement and Singapore is evaluating Eurofighter for a Future Fighter programme.
Tranche 2 represents a significant capability for both air forces and industry.
The Tranche 2 contract is a key driver in maintaining the integrity of the European industrial supplier base and continuity of Eurofighter production in the four Partner Nations. It is vital that a contract is secured as soon as possible.
Tranche 2 underpins high technology business in more than 400 aerospace companies in Europe. Continuity of the Eurofighter production programme is essential to maintain the global competitiveness of our industry and guarantee employment beyond Tranche 1 production.
The Eurofighter programme represents some 120,000 direct and indirect jobs across Europe. It is Europe’s largest industrial programme representing a direct commitment by partner nations and companies for investment in sustainable technology and the industrial potential of European industry. -
EADS, one of the maker has warned that the EF2000 plant may close down (Bloomberg) because of UK and NOT GermanyOriginally posted by duotiga83:http://www.eurofighter.com/News/
01 July 2004 - Eurofighter Welcome German Government Decision
Eurofighter GmbH welcome the decision by the German Government that effectively provides a route forward for contract signature of the Eurofighter Typhoon Supplement 3/Tranche 2 production contract. Eurofighter, in close collaboration with the Eurofighter Partner Companies, is in detailed discussions with NETMA and the four Partner Nations to finalise a contract that will provide the basis for future production of the Eurofighter Typhoon Weapon System.
Eurofighter Typhoon is now entering service with the Partner Air Forces in Germany, Italy, Spain and the United Kingdom. Tranche 2 is the second production phase of the programme that will see delivery of a more capable aircraft that will meet the operational requirements of the Partner Air Forces well in to the 21st Century. At the same time, Tranche 2 represents the aircraft standard that has won significant interest and commitment in the export market. In particular, Austria has signed a contract for 18 aircraft, Greece has endorsed a future Eurofighter procurement and Singapore is evaluating Eurofighter for a Future Fighter programme.
Tranche 2 represents a significant capability for both air forces and industry.
The Tranche 2 contract is a key driver in maintaining the integrity of the European industrial supplier base and continuity of Eurofighter production in the four Partner Nations. It is vital that a contract is secured as soon as possible.
Tranche 2 underpins high technology business in more than 400 aerospace companies in Europe. Continuity of the Eurofighter production programme is essential to maintain the global competitiveness of our industry and guarantee employment beyond Tranche 1 production.
The Eurofighter programme represents some 120,000 direct and indirect jobs across Europe. It is Europe’s largest industrial programme representing a direct commitment by partner nations and companies for investment in sustainable technology and the industrial potential of European industry. -
May i know whats your argument between UK and Germany?
I got a question to ask you What is so great about Typhoon, Rafale and F-15? -
The agenda is regarding UK only... I think you my have mixed up, my news came 4 hrs ago only...Originally posted by duotiga83:May i know whats your argument between UK and Germany?
I got a question to ask you What is so great about Typhoon, Rafale and F-15? -
Eurofighter Project May Wind Down, Imperiling Thousands of Jobs
July 18 (Bloomberg) -- Eurofighter GmbH, the venture in charge of Europe's biggest defense project, may start to wind down production, threatening thousands of jobs, unless the U.K. and other countries buy a second group of 236 planes this month.
``A binding commitment for funding'' by the end of July is ``the minimum we need followed by an undertaking that contract signature will follow,'' said Eurofighter Chief Executive Officer Aloysius Rauen, 47, in an interview. ``The Eurofighter partner companies are preparing steps to run down the program.''
The U.K., Germany, Italy and Spain have pledged to buy 620 planes in three batches from Munich-based Eurofighter GmbH. The combat plane, conceived 20 years ago for air defense against Soviet MiGs, is built by BAE Systems Plc, European Aeronautic, Defense & Space Co. and Finmeccanica SpA's Alenia unit.
Eurofighter is at least six years behind schedule already and the cost has tripled to more than 83 billion euros ($103 billion). The program employs about 10,000 people working on the airframe and another 10,000 working on the engine and other equipment.
``You've got the cost of shutting down production lines and then of starting them up again,'' Richard Aboulafia, an aerospace industry analyst with the Teal Group in Fairfax, Virginia. ``It's not just jobs at the four main companies, but across the program's very many subcontractors.''
The U.K. wants to cut the price of the fighter and add the capability to attack ground targets with precision weapons to the planes earlier than planned, according to British government documents seen by Bloomberg News. The U.K.'s demands are under negotiation, Rauen said.
U.K. Position
``The U.K. is not yet where the other countries are'' on funding, said Rauen, who declined to give details. ``Hour-by-hour negotiations are ongoing'' to get a commitment. Britain has said it will purchase 89 second-batch aircraft. Germany this month granted approval to buy 68 further planes.
``The U.K. remains committed to tranche 2 and negotiations are ongoing,'' said Steve Bethel, a spokesman for Britain's Ministry of Defence. Talks between the four nations are ``commercially sensitive,'' he said., declining further comment.
Britain is the primary obstacle to an agreement to pay for the planes, said EADS Co-Chief Executive Rainer Hertrich, 54, and Thomas Enders, 45, head of EADS's military unit, speaking before the tomorrow's start of the Farnborough Air Show in England.
``Hurry up in the U.K.!'' said Hertrich in an interview yesterday in Bath, England. ``If we don't have an agreement by the end of July, it will start having consequences immediately'' with employees at EADS and subcontractors being asked to work part-time or even lose jobs, he said. ``Who pays the bill?''
14,000 Jobs
As many as 14,000, or 70 percent of the Eurofighter workforce, might be lost by November 2005 and 1.5 billion euros added cost because of delays in signing contract for the second group of planes, according to a Nov. 3 letter, seen by Bloomberg News, from Ernst Dintner, deputy general manager of NETMA, the agency managing the four-nation project.
Spokesmen for the defense ministries of Germany, Italy and Spain did not immediately respond to requests for comment. Rauen, Hertrich and Enders did not comment on the exact number of jobs that would be affected. EADS employs 6,000 people on Eurofighter.
``We face the serious threat that we could have a gap here, a disruption of the program which could be very costly,'' said Enders. ``We estimate that could run to between 1 billion and 2 billion euros.''
The companies will have to start talks with unions to reduce shifts and redeploy workers because of a lack of work if the governments do not commit to the second batch of 236 planes, Rauen said in the interview in his Munich office on Thursday.
First Tranche
The four nations agreed to buy 148 planes in a first batch designed for air supremacy. Of that total, 36 have been delivered, 104 are under construction and work remains to begin on eight. Final delivery of the last plane in the batch is set for early 2007. Delivery of the first planes in the second batch is scheduled for the same year, dependent on work beginning soon.
``The four Eurofighter governments had some time ago agreed that by end of July, latest, they wanted to have a tranche 2 contract signed with industry in order to avoid our coming into a production interruption,'' said Enders.
``We have already slowed the manufacture'' of the first-batch planes ``to the maximum'' to prevent a costly gap in production, Rauen said. A gap will hurt smaller suppliers more because of their ``limited flexibility'' to ``take workers out of the production process.''
Representatives from the contractors, NETMA and the four governments will meet this week during the air show to discuss the state of the program.
Ground Targets
The U.K. would like the next batch of planes to have the ability to attack ground targets with precision ordnance including laser-guided bombs, such as Stormshadow and Brimstone missiles, government documents show. In the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, there was little need for air-defense aircraft.
BAE in April said it plans to cut 1,000 jobs between now and 2005 at plants making Eurofighter and Nimrod planes as the air- systems division reorganizes to handle less work. BAE Chief Executive Mike Turner said in February a production contract for the second-batch planes may be delayed until the end of 2004.
Eurofighter reduced the cost of the second batch of planes by 200 million euros and agreed to sell 18 aircraft earmarked for the U.K. to Austria, easing Britain's defense budget, Hertrich said in April. The U.K. will take delivery of an equal amount at a later date, he said.
``Three parties have largely done their homework, one party hasn't,'' said Enders. ``That is posing a problem.''
From Bloomberg -
you have not ans my question and btw you just wasting the darn posting links? since is updated?Originally posted by sbst275:The agenda is regarding UK only... I think you my have mixed up, my news came 4 hrs ago only...
thats a thing about uk news press, tends to make things big -
Did you see yours and mine pt? They are totally dif, you talk abt Germany, I talk abt UKOriginally posted by duotiga83:you have not ans my question and btw you just wasting the darn posting links? since is updated?
thats a thing about uk news press, tends to make things big -
From bloomberg
Eurofighter Project May Wind Down, Imperiling Thousands of Jobs
July 18 (Bloomberg) -- Eurofighter GmbH, the venture in charge of Europe's biggest defense project, may start to wind down production, threatening thousands of jobs, unless the U.K. and other countries buy a second group of 236 planes this month.
``A binding commitment for funding'' by the end of July is ``the minimum we need followed by an undertaking that contract signature will follow,'' said Eurofighter Chief Executive Officer Aloysius Rauen, 47, in an interview. ``The Eurofighter partner companies are preparing steps to run down the program.''
The U.K., Germany, Italy and Spain have pledged to buy 620 planes in three batches from Munich-based Eurofighter GmbH. The combat plane, conceived 20 years ago for air defense against Soviet MiGs, is built by BAE Systems Plc, European Aeronautic, Defense & Space Co. and Finmeccanica SpA's Alenia unit.
Eurofighter is at least six years behind schedule already and the cost has tripled to more than 83 billion euros ($103 billion). The program employs about 10,000 people working on the airframe and another 10,000 working on the engine and other equipment.
``You've got the cost of shutting down production lines and then of starting them up again,'' Richard Aboulafia, an aerospace industry analyst with the Teal Group in Fairfax, Virginia. ``It's not just jobs at the four main companies, but across the program's very many subcontractors.''
The U.K. wants to cut the price of the fighter and add the capability to attack ground targets with precision weapons to the planes earlier than planned, according to British government documents seen by Bloomberg News. The U.K.'s demands are under negotiation, Rauen said.
U.K. Position
``The U.K. is not yet where the other countries are'' on funding, said Rauen, who declined to give details. ``Hour-by-hour negotiations are ongoing'' to get a commitment. Britain has said it will purchase 89 second-batch aircraft. Germany this month granted approval to buy 68 further planes.
``The U.K. remains committed to tranche 2 and negotiations are ongoing,'' said Steve Bethel, a spokesman for Britain's Ministry of Defence. Talks between the four nations are ``commercially sensitive,'' he said., declining further comment.
Britain is the primary obstacle to an agreement to pay for the planes, said EADS Co-Chief Executive Rainer Hertrich, 54, and Thomas Enders, 45, head of EADS's military unit, speaking before the tomorrow's start of the Farnborough Air Show in England.
``Hurry up in the U.K.!'' said Hertrich in an interview yesterday in Bath, England. ``If we don't have an agreement by the end of July, it will start having consequences immediately'' with employees at EADS and subcontractors being asked to work part-time or even lose jobs, he said. ``Who pays the bill?''
14,000 Jobs
As many as 14,000, or 70 percent of the Eurofighter workforce, might be lost by November 2005 and 1.5 billion euros added cost because of delays in signing contract for the second group of planes, according to a Nov. 3 letter, seen by Bloomberg News, from Ernst Dintner, deputy general manager of NETMA, the agency managing the four-nation project.
Spokesmen for the defense ministries of Germany, Italy and Spain did not immediately respond to requests for comment. Rauen, Hertrich and Enders did not comment on the exact number of jobs that would be affected. EADS employs 6,000 people on Eurofighter.
``We face the serious threat that we could have a gap here, a disruption of the program which could be very costly,'' said Enders. ``We estimate that could run to between 1 billion and 2 billion euros.''
The companies will have to start talks with unions to reduce shifts and redeploy workers because of a lack of work if the governments do not commit to the second batch of 236 planes, Rauen said in the interview in his Munich office on Thursday.
First Tranche
The four nations agreed to buy 148 planes in a first batch designed for air supremacy. Of that total, 36 have been delivered, 104 are under construction and work remains to begin on eight. Final delivery of the last plane in the batch is set for early 2007. Delivery of the first planes in the second batch is scheduled for the same year, dependent on work beginning soon.
``The four Eurofighter governments had some time ago agreed that by end of July, latest, they wanted to have a tranche 2 contract signed with industry in order to avoid our coming into a production interruption,'' said Enders.
``We have already slowed the manufacture'' of the first-batch planes ``to the maximum'' to prevent a costly gap in production, Rauen said. A gap will hurt smaller suppliers more because of their ``limited flexibility'' to ``take workers out of the production process.''
Representatives from the contractors, NETMA and the four governments will meet this week during the air show to discuss the state of the program.
Ground Targets
The U.K. would like the next batch of planes to have the ability to attack ground targets with precision ordnance including laser-guided bombs, such as Stormshadow and Brimstone missiles, government documents show. In the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, there was little need for air-defense aircraft.
BAE in April said it plans to cut 1,000 jobs between now and 2005 at plants making Eurofighter and Nimrod planes as the air- systems division reorganizes to handle less work. BAE Chief Executive Mike Turner said in February a production contract for the second-batch planes may be delayed until the end of 2004.
Eurofighter reduced the cost of the second batch of planes by 200 million euros and agreed to sell 18 aircraft earmarked for the U.K. to Austria, easing Britain's defense budget, Hertrich said in April. The U.K. will take delivery of an equal amount at a later date, he said.
``Three parties have largely done their homework, one party hasn't,'' said Enders. ``That is posing a problem.'
Beside the air advantage better then the Mig and Su, I do not think is a good buy. -
How could UK conclude that there is little need for air-defense aircraft based on Iraq & Afghan wars?Originally posted by cutebug:Ground Targets
The U.K. would like the next batch of planes to have the ability to attack ground targets with precision ordnance including laser-guided bombs, such as Stormshadow and Brimstone missiles, government documents show. In the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, there was little need for air-defense aircraft. -
they figured they'd be fighting countries with little or no airforce....mainly a low tech enemyOriginally posted by 84mmrr:How could UK conclude that there is little need for air-defense aircraft based on Iraq & Afghan wars? -
Thales just signed a 85 million Euros contract with the French MoD during the Farnborough air show for the development of the RBE2 with its active antenna.
The AESA RBE2 for the Rafale is now secured ! -
i'm speaking the whole programme as a whole not individual countries....Originally posted by sbst275:Did you see yours and mine pt? They are totally dif, you talk abt Germany, I talk abt UK