Singapore's Next Generation Fighter
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If anything, the UK's demands, will help rather than hurt the Eurofighter project. By insisting on a strike/ground attack capability for Tranche 2, it is making the Typhoon more attractive to foreign users and hence, bringing down the unit costs in the long run. As it is, the Typhoon is already an expensive piece of equipment, how do they expect to export the aircraft, and hence get back more on their investment, when all they've got is an expensive one-trick pony? Especially when it's pitted against the multirole Rafale, F-15, F-16, F-18E/F, Su-30/35/37 and eventually the F-35.
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Score another for the French government. They've finally realised that funding the aircraft purely to their specs will hurt their own pockets more in the long run, even though it makes their books look better in the short run.Originally posted by Viking1:Thales just signed a 85 million Euros contract with the French MoD during the Farnborough air show for the development of the RBE2 with its active antenna.
The AESA RBE2 for the Rafale is now secured !
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http://www.alert5.com/archive/2004_07_18_alert5_archive.html#109037292584163540Originally posted by Viking1:Thales just signed a 85 million Euros contract with the French MoD during the Farnborough air show for the development of the RBE2 with its active antenna.
The AESA RBE2 for the Rafale is now secured !
The French defence procurement agency (DGA) has renewed its confidence in Thales by awarding a new contract, worth 85 million euros, to develop a second demonstrator for the RBE2 electronic scanning radar with active array antenna for the Rafale combat aircraft.
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Talking about AESA radars, here is the latest news on the APG-79
http://www.alert5.com/archive/2004_07_18_alert5_archive.html#109037230066477642
The APG-79 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar system has successfully completed more than 80 flights aboard three Super Hornet aircraft from test squadron VX- 31 "Dust Devils" at the Naval Air Weapons Station (NAWS) China Lake. -
A fine radar without a doubt, but not relevant to this topic as the F18E/F is not competing.Originally posted by alert5:Talking about AESA radars, here is the latest news on the APG-79
http://www.alert5.com/archive/2004_07_18_alert5_archive.html#109037230066477642
The APG-79 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar system has successfully completed more than 80 flights aboard three Super Hornet aircraft from test squadron VX- 31 "Dust Devils" at the Naval Air Weapons Station (NAWS) China Lake. -
I'm pretty sure the consortium will sign the Tranche 2 contract before Singapore makes up its mind but as for an AESA development for the Typhoon I don't see it happening before a few years, just IMHO.Originally posted by Viper52:Score another for the French government. They've finally realised that funding the aircraft purely to their specs will hurt their own pockets more in the long run, even though it makes their books look better in the short run.
They've woken up and smelt the coffee, its about time the Eurofighter countries did the same. -
At 85 million Euros for a demonstrator, its a very expensive demonstrator. Must be made entirely out of gold!
It's not just the price of the demonstrator. Developpement include many expensive (in flight) trials, with many ingineers to pay until the radar is ready for mass production
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US Air Force chief praises Eurofighter
21 July 2004
LAAGE - The chief of staff of the US Air Force, General John P. Jumper, was quoted Wednesday as praising the Eurofighter Typhoon after a test flight on the much-maligned jet, which has been in service just 11 weeks with the German Air Force.
"I've flown all the air force jets. None was as good as the Eurofighter," he said, according to an account by the German Air Force of his Tuesday try-out of one of the two-seater jets based at Laage Air Force Base near the Baltic coast city of Rostock.
The general praised the jet fighter for its agility, manoeuvrability, acceleration and precise navigation.
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Are the Typhoons still flying there?, or have they departed?.
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From internet sources, Boeing confirmed that F-15T may have APG-63 radar (Boeing declined to confirm but said it is "quite" true)
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According to French press, a contract for 59 Rafale for the French Air Force and Navy will be signed before month end. Means this week.
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When this contract will be signed, a total of 120 rafale will be ordered. (61 + 59)
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i would like to ask are there any posibility that we are going to buy two type, rafale,tyhoon? given that our f-5 is also up for replaced in 2012-2014, rafale for the a-4 tyhoon for the f-5 ,as for the block-15 [upgrade to block 30]n block 50 to replace by the f-35 in the longer term 2015-2025???
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LOL,Originally posted by leong262000:i would like to ask are there any posibility that we are going to buy two type, rafale,tyhoon? given that our f-5 is also up for replaced in 2012-2014, rafale for the a-4 tyhoon for the f-5 ,as for the block-15 [upgrade to block 30]n block 50 to replace by the f-35 in the longer term 2015-2025???
U mean follow our neighbour's footsteps in buying both the MIGs and the Bugs.....LOL
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Sorry, the F-5 will be replaced together with the A-4SU/ A4S-1 ultimately, RSAF has said that alreadyOriginally posted by leong262000:i would like to ask are there any posibility that we are going to buy two type, rafale,tyhoon? given that our f-5 is also up for replaced in 2012-2014, rafale for the a-4 tyhoon for the f-5 ,as for the block-15 [upgrade to block 30]n block 50 to replace by the f-35 in the longer term 2015-2025???
F-35A will be the replacement for F-16
Typhoon is dead, it is already is the most ex plane in the world. You can buy 2 F-35/ F-15/ F-18 or 3-4 F-16 for 1 EF2000 -
Thats just plain wrong!!!.
the Typhoon cost about the same as the Rafale, the F18E/F and the 'Westland' Apache....
The JSF has been promised to be cheaper than the Typhoon, but 'Time Will Tell'.
Your figures are just way way out.
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among all 3, F-15 is the most ex
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No, there is an disclosed price quotation actuallyOriginally posted by duotiga83:among all 3, F-15 is the most ex
F-15E: $36.1 million
F-35A: $38/ 39 million
F-35B/C: Similiar, but more ex
F-18: $39 million
EF2000: $60 million Euro ($75 million US)
F-16: $20 million
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Hey, why do you compare prices from the 70ies with those of today ?
It is a bit silly to compare the price of a Typhoon with F-16 block15/20 or F-18 A.
F-15K ~100mill
F-16 block 52 ~50mill
F-16 block 60 ~70mill
F-18 E ~70mill
Typhoon ~50-100mill
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Hope 1 day we can get F-35 + F-16 to fly together...
how can RSAF replace 150 A4 skyhawks??
with 150 F-35 ar??...
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Originally posted by Silat:
No the prices are still in the 90's, Singapore got F-16C/D for US$20 million each. US does give "special" rates to allies (Rumoured to be, that's how we got 110 A-4)
Hey, why do you compare prices from the 70ies with those of today ?
It is a bit silly to compare the price of a Typhoon with F-16 block15/20 or F-18 A.
F-15K ~100mill
F-16 block 52 ~50mill
F-16 block 60 ~70mill
F-18 [b]E ~70mill
Typhoon ~50-100mill
And JSF gets more expansive day by day....[/b]
F-35 is not getting ex day by day. EF2000 is worst, there is no work at all now (But Britian as agreed to stop its stupid complaint saying it needs better weapons as EF is outdated). But F-35 is confirmed to be capped at US$40 million when launched in 2012 by Lockheed Martin. Even so, it is worth it compared to this lousy EF2000 as it is STEALTH -
F-16 will be replaced by the stealth F-35Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:Hope 1 day we can get F-35 + F-16 to fly together...
how can RSAF replace 150 A4 skyhawks??
with 150 F-35 ar??...
haiz some pilots surely outta job
RSAF has 105 A4SU. 20 or so (Could be 18 as well) has become training planes. 45 are in storage. The rest have been or going to be replaced
Sqn 142: Still using (20+)
Sqn 143: Replaced by F-16D (20)
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F-35 is not getting ex day by day. EF2000 is worst, there is no work at all now (But Britian as agreed to stop its stupid complaint saying it needs better weapons as EF is outdated). But F-35 is confirmed to be capped at US$40 million when launched in 2012 by Lockheed Martin. Even so, it is worth it compared to this lousy EF2000 as it is STEALTH
Well, tranche 2 deal is sealed. That means the program continues.
Yes, JSF is *stealthy*, it is no all aspect stealth aircraft. And it will be available,at best, in ten years from now on for export. This means it is out of competition. It's only about F-15, Rafale and Typhoon.
P.S. interesting product: http://www.era.cz/en/pss-vera-e.shtml -
The tranche 2 is signed last week aft Germany was hostile to UK to stop its "nonsense" on wanting to have better ground precision weapons.Originally posted by Silat:Well, tranche 2 deal is sealed. That means the program continues.
Yes, JSF is *stealthy*, it is no all aspect stealth aircraft. And it will be available,at best, in ten years from now on for export. This means it is out of competition. It's only about F-15, Rafale and Typhoon.
P.S. interesting product: http://www.era.cz/en/pss-vera-e.shtml
That's for F-16 replacement.
Isn't F-117 *stealthy* as well?
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i just wonder when the typhoon bashing be ended
