Singapore's Next Generation Fighter
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We should be more careful about our secret weapons, especially the nuclear-powered SR-71 that we bought from the USAF after they "retired" the craft.When Toa Payoh shook, it wasn't the quake, it was our pilots practising night recon la.Originally posted by CenturionMBT:we are definately not joking . . .this is serious buisness
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Originally posted by LazerLordz:We should be more careful about our secret weapons, especially the nuclear-powered SR-71 that we bought from the USAF after they "retired" the craft.When Toa Payoh shook, it wasn't the quake, it was our pilots practising night recon la.
one more exaggerating than the last....
but not SR-71 ah...i thot U-2????? -
No..It's the AuroraOriginally posted by Lance_han:
one more exaggerating than the last....
but not SR-71 ah...i thot U-2????? 
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Originally posted by LazerLordz:No..It's the Aurora
tat thing far from production and we already have it???
wow...to the ppl who manage to procure it...
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Reuters is reporting that the Eurofighter has been dropped...!
The F-15 and rafale are still in contention..
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ngehOriginally posted by jwcook:Reuters is reporting that the Eurofighter has been dropped...!
The F-15 and rafale are still in contention..
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your one must be the indian version of reuters.Originally posted by jwcook:Reuters is reporting that the Eurofighter has been dropped...!
The F-15 and rafale are still in contention..
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Source: ChannelNewsAsia
Time is GMT + 8 hours
Posted: 20 April 2005 2309 hrs
MINDEF has dropped Eurofighter from fighter competition: report
By Hasnita A Majid, Channel NewsAsia
Singapore has dropped the Eurofighter combat jet from consideration as it prepares to announce the winner of an order for fighter aircraft, says Jane's Defence Weekly, a military publication.
Jane's Defence Weekly reported that pricing was one of the issues that derailed the Eurofighter's bid.
The Eurofighter Typhoon was one of the frontrunners to bid for the more than US$1 billion contract.
The report backs up an article earlier this week in a French newspaper that Singapore had dropped the Eurofighter from a short-list of contenders.
Now with the Eurofighter out of the running, Singapore is left with two contenders - the American Boeing F-15 and the French Rafale.
The winner will replace the RSAF's A-4SU Skyhawks and the F-5S/T.
The Defence Ministry has refused to comment on Jane's Defence Weekly's report and has also refused to confirm if the Eurofighter bid has really been dropped. - CNA /ch -
Exerpts from Jane's Defence Weekly (Subscription needed):
*Eurofighter Typhoon takes a nosedive in Singapore
A shock decision by Singapore to drop the Eurofighter Typhoon from a short-list of contenders vying to be the Republic's next-generation fighter has thrown the aircraft's manufacturing consortium, comprising BAE Systems, EADS and Alenia, into disarray. Singapore has not announced a winner in the competition but the process remains officially under way. The Typhoon was one of three competitors chasing the Republic of Singapore Air Force's (RSAF's) Next Fighter Replacement ...
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Source: MINDEF Press Release
21 April 2005
NEW FIGHTER REPLACEMENT PROGRAMME (NFRP)
In response to media queries, MINDEF confirmed that it has narrowed down the selection for the new fighter replacement programme to DassaultÂ’s Rafale and BoeingÂ’s F-15. MINDEF has decided not to consider the proposal from BAE Systems any further.
The Typhoon is a very capable aircraft. However, the committed schedule for the delivery of the Typhoon and its systems did not meet the requirements of the RSAF. -
Longlive Rafale!
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Damn.... I was really hoping for the Eurofighter.
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Me too.
There has to be some reason why the Rafale could not get any export orders when the first conceptual airframe was out in 1996. -
NEW FIGHTER REPLACEMENT PROGRAMME (NFRP)
In response to media queries, MINDEF confirmed that it has narrowed down the selection for the new fighter replacement programme to DassaultÂ’s Rafale and BoeingÂ’s F-15. MINDEF has decided not to consider the proposal from BAE Systems any further.
The Typhoon is a very capable aircraft. However, the committed schedule for the delivery of the Typhoon and its systems did not meet the requirements of the RSAF.
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Rafale. It is althought a little expensive than the F15 we are getting but much cheaper to operate. It is design to operate from A/C Carrier so it is strong, salt and humility resistant and suit our weather here.
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Source: FT.com: Financial Times (Subscription Needed)
Eurofighter considers new bid for Singapore contract
By Mark Huband in London and John Burton in Singapore
Published: April 22 2005 03:00 | Last updated: April 22 2005 03:00
The Eurofighter consortium is considering resubmitting a bid to provide Singapore with combat aircraft, in spite of the Asian government's decision yesterday to drop the company's Typhoon fighter from the selection process.
Singapore's defence ministry said the Typhoon had been dropped because it could not meet the schedule of the state's air force. But the consortium, comprising BAE Systems, EADS and Finmeccanica, was holding discussions yesterday on whether to make a new bid. -
If its really the price I'm sure BAE SYSTEMS will do everything to lower them. So I say the Eurofighter isn't gone totally yet.
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The problem is not the price only, it is that Singapore want a plane that have a certain capabilities that at this moment the manufacturer can commit to be able to deliver by a certain time. I guess what Singapore want is something that come in faster to meet the current need and not for future.Originally posted by ThebetterRob:If its really the price I'm sure BAE SYSTEMS will do everything to lower them. So I say the Eurofighter isn't gone totally yet. -
I do agree with that, i guess the Eurofighter is too overrated. It has to be, too much is at stake for the European nations involved.
Something that is proven will be good for Singapore. Another source of fighter planes will diversify our fleet and be less reliant on the United States. -
ST. LOUIS, March 16, 2005 - The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] revealed the first F-15K Strike Eagle fighter aircraft for the Republic of Korea Air Force (ROKAF) today at the Boeing site in St. Louis, Mo.
The aircraft unveiled at the event completed its first flight March 3 and is the first of 40 F-15Ks being built for the ROKAF. The ROKAF is investing $4.2 billion for the 40 F-15Ks and deliveries will begin this year and end in August 2008.
“Boeing is thankful we can produce this world-class fighter for the Republic of Korea,” said Jim Albaugh, Boeing Integrated Defense Systems president and CEO. “It has advanced technologies and weaponry never seen before on any F-15.”
Albaugh emphasized the incredible teamwork between the United States and the Republic of Korea to the hundreds of employees, customers, and suppliers in attendance at the rollout ceremony.
An advanced derivative of the U.S. Air Force F-15E, the F-15K is the worldÂ’s most capable long-range, multi-role fighter. It can perform air-to-ground, air-to-air, and air-to-sea missions during day or night, in virtually any weather. It can carry more than 23,000 pounds of payload, reach Mach 2.3, and incorporates the latest military technologies. These include the APG-63(V)1 radar, a Joint Helmet-Mounted Cueing System (JHMCS), infrared search and track, third-generation navigation and targeting systems, and weapons-control systems supporting advanced weapons such as the Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM), Harpoon Block II, Standoff Land Attack Missile-Expanded Response (SLAM-ER), Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) and AIM-9X Sidewinder missile.
“Integration of the world’s best multi-role fighter into our force will certainly be a great momentum in improving our air power” said General Lee, Han-ho, the Republic of Korea Air Force’s (ROKAF) Chief of Staff, at the rollout. “Moreover, the F-15K will enhance the interoperability between ROK and U.S. Air Forces. I believe that this new fighter jet will make a great contribution in maintaining the solid ROK-US combined operational posture.”
A unit of The Boeing Company, Boeing Integrated Defense Systems is one of the worldÂ’s largest space and defense businesses. Headquartered in St. Louis, Boeing Integrated Defense Systems is a $30.5 billion business. It provides network-centric system solutions to its global military, government, and commercial customers. It is a leading provider of intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance systems; the worldÂ’s largest military aircraft manufacturer; the worldÂ’s largest satellite manufacturer and a leading provider of space-based communications; the primary systems integrator for U.S. missile defense; NASAÂ’s largest contractor; and a global leader in sustainment solutions and launch services. -
Check this one out:
http://www.dassault-aviation.com/documents/media/Oneday-Onedeck.zip
Cool vid of Rafale deck landing -
Hi guys,
I am new in this forum, but I am a very straight person. I will say whatever I feel. If I am going to upset anyone. I apologise first...
What is the point of comparing F-15T or Rafale? I am a Rafale supporter, but I am not the one buying, the Singapore Gov't does and when the Big Brother (Bro Bush)say "either you are with me or against me", Singapore is screwed...So bottomline. If there is no drama, F-15T is expected to fly above our head in the near future...So sad... -
if your scenario is true.....our case will be almost the similar case to the RoKAF selction of F-15K......this is so sad....Originally posted by freeman8:Hi guys,
I am new in this forum, but I am a very straight person. I will say whatever I feel. If I am going to upset anyone. I apologise first...
What is the point of comparing F-15T or Rafale? I am a Rafale supporter, but I am not the one buying, the Singapore Gov't does and when the Big Brother (Bro Bush)say "either you are with me or against me", Singapore is screwed...So bottomline. If there is no drama, F-15T is expected to fly above our head in the near future...So sad... -
Hello,
I am new here and a Korean national.
Speaking of the ROKAF F-15K case, many people here were deeply disappointed when the government announced it three years ago. Rafale was the more popular choice among the local military enthusiasts then for the same reasons as you do now. It seemed more agile, modern and politically-justifiable, taking account of anti-American sentiment among the young people.
But since then, F-15K has proven itself to be rather a smarter choice due to a currency swing and it is now almost 25 percent cheaper in Korean won than Rafale. In addition, its performance and operational capability promised by Boeing certainly satisfy the ROKAF requirements. They have wanted a big deep-penetration fighter-bomber with air-superiority capability after all, for which Rafale is not. Further, F-15K delivery, logistic build-up and technical transfer are all on schedule. Would the French have provided us the same if the selection was made otherwise? I doubt it because of their internal problems.
I hope the RSAF would make a final decision on NGF best fit to their requirements anyway.
And my one final remark is that the ROKAF has just announced the second batch (40 units) of the future fighter purchase, certainly for F-15K, which will bring the total number of the fighter to 80 in their inventory. -
Hello indigosky,Originally posted by indigosky:Hello,
I am new here and a Korean national.
Speaking of the ROKAF F-15K case, many people here were deeply disappointed when the government announced it three years ago. Rafale was the more popular choice among the local military enthusiasts then for the same reasons as you do now. It seemed more agile, modern and politically-justifiable, taking account of anti-American sentiment among the young people.
But since then, F-15K has proven itself to be rather a smarter choice due to a currency swing and it is now almost 25 percent cheaper in Korean won than Rafale. In addition, its performance and operational capability promised by Boeing certainly satisfy the ROKAF requirements. They have wanted a big deep-penetration fighter-bomber with air-superiority capability after all, for which Rafale is not. Further, F-15K delivery, logistic build-up and technical transfer are all on schedule. Would the French have provided us the same if the selection was made otherwise? I doubt it because of their internal problems.
I hope the RSAF would make a final decision on NGF best fit to their requirements anyway.
And my one final remark is that the ROKAF has just announced the second batch (40 units) of the future fighter purchase, certainly for F-15K, which will bring the total number of the fighter to 80 in their inventory.
you sign on just to post this piece of information, thank you. I voted for rafale, but your words do give me greater confidence in the F15.