Singapore's Next Generation Fighter
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Then by all means choose the Rafale, it is not up to the United States to tell us we cannot do military R&D with the Israelis.Originally posted by thebigbird:Any idea if the recent announcement by the US to Israel not to export their technology to Singapore without approval will affect the F15T?
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But would we have problem integrating Israelis tech into Rafale? I'm not sure if the French is willing to work with the IsraelisOriginally posted by LazerLordz:Then by all means choose the Rafale, it is not up to the United States to tell us we cannot do military R&D with the Israelis. -
I am curious about the timing of the announcement too. Since the NGF winner is supposed to be announced this month, by announcing the policy change, wouldnt it affect the F15T chance? unless the US is already definately sure that Singapore is getting the F15T, which is why they are using strong arm tactics to make sure only US equipment is installed.
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Well, it could very well backfire too.Originally posted by thebigbird:I am curious about the timing of the announcement too. Since the NGF winner is supposed to be announced this month, by announcing the policy change, wouldnt it affect the F15T chance? unless the US is already definately sure that Singapore is getting the F15T, which is why they are using strong arm tactics to make sure only US equipment is installed. -
The F-35 will not be out so soon.And even if it is i doubt we will be the top customer for it.Meaning we would most likely have to wait in line for at least 5 years while the US and UK fill's their requirementOriginally posted by Shotgun:I bet you they will just buy the cheaper ones. Cos the real big spending will be on the F-35s. -
Or maybe they know they have lost and wants to scuttle the deal by preventing us getting their technologies into the french bird.Originally posted by thebigbird:I am curious about the timing of the announcement too. Since the NGF winner is supposed to be announced this month, by announcing the policy change, wouldnt it affect the F15T chance? unless the US is already definately sure that Singapore is getting the F15T, which is why they are using strong arm tactics to make sure only US equipment is installed.
Edit: Just realised Chirac is in town....will SG hand him both the Olympics and the billion contract?
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I wouldn't read too much into it..but we do seem to have a burgeoning relationship growing with France, and DARPA of USA, not the conventional mil-industrial complex.Originally posted by southpark2000:Or maybe they know they have lost and wants to scuttle the deal by preventing us getting their technologies into the french bird.
Edit: Just realised Chirac is in town....will SG hand him both the Olympics and the billion contract?
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Anyone with any idea what is the status of the selection now? How come so long haven't come out. I was hoping that a bid would be annouced before 9 August. Hehe. Anyway, anyone with any idea what is happening
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The winner should be known this month if there is no more delay.
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SG & US had juz signed the Strategic Framework Agreement (SFA) for a Closer Cooperation Partnership in Defence and Security. Looks like it'll be F-15T
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Rafale now and F-35 later?Originally posted by 84mmrr:SG & US had juz signed the Strategic Framework Agreement (SFA) for a Closer Cooperation Partnership in Defence and Security. Looks like it'll be F-15T
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my bet would be the rafale
heard it from someone from RSAF
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I prefer Rafale for one reason: Never place all our eggs in one basket. We never know when our ties with US will turn sour for whatever reasons.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Rafale now and F-35 later? -
Belief that Rafale will be selected.Look at the newspaper ads to commemorate SAF day.Rafale is one of the sponsors...don't remember seeing anything by Boeing.
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yup, saw that advertisement too. Have a feeling it'll be rafale.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Belief that Rafale will be selected.Look at the newspaper ads to commemorate SAF day.Rafale is one of the sponsors...don't remember seeing anything by Boeing.
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dun put too much hope on the rafale. Being prominently active in Ad doesnt reaffirm it contract.
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Got this from Alert5. Looks like we'll get F15T in the end.....
Defence analysts said WashingtonÂ’s feud with France over the latterÂ’s opposition to the Iraq war had recently been manifesting itself in armament sales.
The US had successfully “spiked” France’s deals for fighters with Poland and South Korea recently, they said.
‘IAF under US pressure in aircraft deal with Qatar’
DH News Service New Delhi/Bangalore:
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/jul162005/national195252005715.asp
The quoting of low price by the Indian Air Force (IAF) for the purchase of 12 secondhand Mirage 2000-5 fighters from Qatar was reportedly done under “subtle pressure” from the US that is pressuring India to buy its F 16/F18 multi- role combat aircraft (MRCA).
Armament industry sources said the IAF’s last month offer of around $ 375 million to the Qatari authorities for 12 Mirage 2000-5 aircraft clearly signified that India was not “serious” about acquiring the fighters.
The IAFÂ’s offer is around half of the $ 750 million that Qatar is quoting for the Mirage fighters it had acquired from FranceÂ’s Dassault eight years ago.
“Through its offer India appears to be merely going through the formality of making a bid for the fighters, knowing fully well that it would not be acceptable to the Qatari’s,” an overseas source involved in the negotiations said. The US pressure could be the reason behind it, the source added.
Mirage 2000-5 is one of the four aircraft alongside the USAÂ’s F 16 and F 18 competing for the IAFÂ’s multi-million dollar proposal to acquire 126 fighters. The other two competitors are RussiaÂ’s MiG 29 M and SwedenÂ’s Saab-Grippen MRCA.
The decision to acquire the 12 Mirage 2000-5Â’s from Qatar was taken earlier this year by the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS ) chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.
The CCS was endorsing the commitment by the previous NDA administration two years ago to purchase the used Mirage 2000-5Â’s in order to prevent Qatar from selling them to Pakistan.
This was when the IAF was in advanced negotiations exclusively with Dassault for 126 Mirage 2000-5 fighters to strengthen its strategic deterrence capability.
During his visit to Qatar in January 2003, former deputy prime minister L K Advani had reportedly told the Sheikhdom that India would curtail an important gas deal if the jets were sold to Pakistan and not to the IAF.
Qatar’s Emir Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al-Thani visited Delhi in April 2005 and held a series of meetings with senior Indian officials including Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee indicating that the Mirage 2000-5 was a “done deal” barring formalities.
Dassault was also to be part of the agreement with the IAF, involved in refurbishing the fighters before the aircraft joined service sometime later this year.
In June, an IAF delegation led by S K Sharma, joint secretary (acquisitions) and a two-star IAF officer visited Qatar and proposed paying $ 375 million for the fighter jets, an amount “wholly unacceptable” to the Emirate, a foreign armament source said.
“The IAF’s inexplicably low offer is bound to be turned down,” an armament industry source said, hinting that the omnipotent US armament lobby was at work. Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee, he said, was already under attack by the Communist parties for “giving in” to the US lobby in signing the Defence Framework Agreement.
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is going to the US later this week during which the purchase of the American fighters would feature prominently amongst other military matters, a senior Defence Ministry source said.
Defence analysts said WashingtonÂ’s feud with France over the latterÂ’s opposition to the Iraq war had recently been manifesting itself in armament sales.
The US had successfully “spiked” France’s deals for fighters with Poland and South Korea recently, they said. -
Though personally I prefer Rafale, my sense is the F15 will stand out, S'pore is still too tight under grasp of Auntie Sam. No chioce lah, actually the fate is set @day 1, the rest is only how 2 arrange the show to b "breath holding" by the fooled audience like u n me
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Originally posted by 38�Ž:actually the fate is set @day 1, the rest is only how 2 arrange the show to b "breath holding" by the fooled audience like u n me well said.
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Aiy.. i feel sorry for u guys lar... Just that i cannot tell u that RSAF already chose and fielded the VF-1Js already. Ooops.
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Originally posted by LazerLordz:Rafale now and F-35 later?
Rafale & F35 
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It's ALL a BIG JOKE?
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The choice for the RSAF should be the Rafale F3. It is never advisable to depend on one country for an important asset such as combat aircraft. Choosing the French aircraft over the USA this time would not only further cement our booming ties with the French but force the USA to give greater leeway to Singapore in future arms deals. My guess for the RSAF is 20 Rafales to be delivered from 2008, a further batch of 20-24 to be taken in 2010-2011, followed with an acquisition of a first batch of F-35A fighters (30+?) from 2014 onwards. Such a spread out purchase would enable Singapore to effectively phase out the remaining TA-4SU Skyhawks from 2008 and all the F-5S/T light fighters from 2010-2015.
A first generation UCAV such as a scaled-up MAV-1 would hopefully see service with the RSAF in the 2015-2016 period.
Just my two cents worth for my very first post...
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I agreee with you. I heard presently DSTA is working with Dassult on the finalise the spec on Rafale. They still not fully satisfy the Rafale F3 spec yet.Originally posted by Delta 5:The choice for the RSAF should be the Rafale F3. It is never advisable to depend on one country for an important asset such as combat aircraft. Choosing the French aircraft over the USA this time would not only further cement our booming ties with the French but force the USA to give greater leeway to Singapore in future arms deals. My guess for the RSAF is 20 Rafales to be delivered from 2008, a further batch of 20-24 to be taken in 2010-2011, followed with an acquisition of a first batch of F-35A fighters (30+?) from 2014 onwards. Such a spread out purchase would enable Singapore to effectively phase out the remaining TA-4SU Skyhawks from 2008 and all the F-5S/T light fighters from 2010-2015.
A first generation UCAV such as a scaled-up MAV-1 would hopefully see service with the RSAF in the 2015-2016 period.
Just my two cents worth for my very first post...
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it's interesting....you guys all think we will be able to get the F-35 so soon. Why is that?
Personally i do not seeing us being able to even lay our hands on it till at least 2020