Made-in-S'pore smart weapons
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haha what about block or retro mission.... haha they have to run back like siao.. haha.... anyway just by carrying it alone is enough already lah......just ask any 84 gunner or even asst... haha... they will trade their 84 for a law or even an mg anyday.. hahaOriginally posted by wuming78:yah.. 84 gunners are not required to carry it and run around and fight. so yes its heavier but not so jialat in a sense.
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tts y i always v respectful of the 84 gunners. MG gunners too - and sometimes they r realli expected to carry the MG and run around!Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):haha what about block or retro mission.... haha they have to run back like siao.. haha.... anyway just by carrying it alone is enough already lah......just ask any 84 gunner or even asst... haha... they will trade their 84 for a law or even an mg anyday.. haha
den there r the poor pioneers who have to carry tt crazy PLC cobra. and sometimes the ATGM gunners who haf to carry the tubes and missiles too. *wuming salutes to all these ppl!* -
x2Originally posted by wuming78:tts y i always v respectful of the 84 gunners. MG gunners too - and sometimes they r realli expected to carry the MG and run around!
den there r the poor pioneers who have to carry tt crazy PLC cobra. and sometimes the ATGM gunners who haf to carry the tubes and missiles too. *wuming salutes to all these ppl!*
see very easy one.. wait till u really try it and u will know..... -
Well i'ave seen it...look very compact....the model which is suppose to be life size is shorted then the SAR-21...the PDW is either a 4.7mm or 5.7 not decided yet.According to the engineer i spoke with it's still in concept stage and the size and weapon size is not finalised yet.
On another note looks like the gun frm HALO!hehehe -
heard its using 5.7mm.
and waD?! shorter than sar21?! !@#%!#$% -
I felt the weight of 84mm miles set. To me, still ok lor. My friend who is a gunner was smiling when he got to feel the weight.
But respect is given to the guys of ATGM, prior to ATEC, there's this route march among many that my CO called it the friendship route march. The ATGM guys were made to carry them but the plan was to rotate among the 3 rifle coys. However, there wasn't any rotation. So they carried for around 16km by themselves. -
It's operating principle is much like a computer guided, magazine fed, M-79 grenade launcher with a PDW fitted on it.Originally posted by Moonstriker:heard its using 5.7mm.
and waD?! shorter than sar21?! !@#%!#$% -
Computer guided? Or is it like the OICW where the fuse is electronically set to detonate after a certain distance?
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Hope these smart weapons will be made by smart ppl. US ARMY looking into how to make their rifles lighter and more reliable, ST Kinetics comes up with a SAR-21 that is heavier than the orginal M-16 it was intended to replace. Sure it may be really cool looking and hv laser site, scope and microwave, but its too darned heavy for a LIGHT infantryman. Dang!
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the sar21 is lighter compared to an m16 wif the features the sar21 has, i.e. lad and sss.Originally posted by Shotgun:Hope these smart weapons will be made by smart ppl. US ARMY looking into how to make their rifles lighter and more reliable, ST Kinetics comes up with a SAR-21 that is heavier than the orginal M-16 it was intended to replace. Sure it may be really cool looking and hv laser site, scope and microwave, but its too darned heavy for a LIGHT infantryman. Dang! -
one thing that baffles me about cdo ops... u guys run all over the shop and everything...Originally posted by Gedanken:CX - well, there is weight distribution to consider, but after running up and down a runway a couple of times, anything heavier than an M16 is going to be a cast-iron sonuvabitch anyway.
i admire the speed and physical endurance, but i do wonder in a real situation, are u guys under the impression that u can outrun bullets?
its something i had the opportunity to observe during a cdo atec a few years ago... and i just found the whole situation quite disturbing... -
got to handle one at AA'2004... it IS short, but feels very fat and bulky. wasn't exactly used to the feel of it. the sight/FCS is quite enormous and somewhat spoils its handling chracteristics and balance. wasn't totally impressed with it.Originally posted by Moonstriker:heard its using 5.7mm.
and waD?! shorter than sar21?! !@#%!#$% -
no.. cdos r not expected to outrun bullets. they need to be speedy and tenacious due to ops requirements and the dangers they face.Originally posted by CX:one thing that baffles me about cdo ops... u guys run all over the shop and everything...
i admire the speed and physical endurance, but i do wonder in a real situation, are u guys under the impression that u can outrun bullets?
its something i had the opportunity to observe during a cdo atec a few years ago... and i just found the whole situation quite disturbing...
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i think they i trained to over ran the objective no matters what.. ppl have to die in war.... so just a few or alot.... that is why cdo are high risk unit what. haha... anyway for atec is diff lah.. no live bullet... alot of ppl also wayang wayang one lah.. my patrol actually go hit a support coy odjective with a section plus only. hahaOriginally posted by CX:one thing that baffles me about cdo ops... u guys run all over the shop and everything...
i admire the speed and physical endurance, but i do wonder in a real situation, are u guys under the impression that u can outrun bullets?
its something i had the opportunity to observe during a cdo atec a few years ago... and i just found the whole situation quite disturbing... -
ST is like SAF... wayang all the way...
This stupid gun is only a model.. meant to impress only... u will never live to carry a real one..
I think the 6 sitter "spider" is a bad idea.. i certainly do not want to be driving it during actual battle.. kena contacted.. difficult to dismount coz sitting in the middle! Wonder where they copy the design from.. hummm...
Also.. the "70kts" fantail.. its a remote control toy.. looks great on video.. but for those who know a little abt UAVs.. the fantail is good only for Toy R' US. Btw, this is not developed by ST as claimed.. they bought the design from a small company call MASS (i think).. it would be enterainting to see this toy in actual service. hahahaa... -
The Orginal name for ST's Fantail is HELI SPY, from MASS Del Mar, California, USA
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cdos r not trained to overrun objectives. only inf is required to do tt. at least tts my understanding of the doctrine.Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):i think they i trained to over ran the objective no matters what.. ppl have to die in war.... so just a few or alot.... that is why cdo are high risk unit what. haha... anyway for atec is diff lah.. no live bullet... alot of ppl also wayang wayang one lah.. my patrol actually go hit a support coy odjective with a section plus only. haha -
i think the most interesting design of all is the MAV-1, this is a gaint leap for the local aviation industry. if its really stealthy as the shape looks, we could be the 1st outside western nations to test out a stealth aircraft(dassault is planning a version, bae did a mockup). the whole game would changed to our advantage. neighbours would have to invest on more advance radars to counter it.
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"speedy and tenacious" but not reckless.. how can u run all over without taking cover when weapons are going off all over? m16, saw, mg and all???Originally posted by wuming78:no.. cdos r not expected to outrun bullets. they need to be speedy and tenacious due to ops requirements and the dangers they face.
care to describe wat disturbed u?
its totally stupid and reinforces the perception of many of the observers that cdos are dumbass muscle-heads... the speed was impressive but get real.. if this was a real ops we fully expect them to be all dead.
it is understood that cdo carry out high risk, highly specialised missions and they don't do it the same way as infantry, but i think physiologically, we all get hurt real bad or die if we get shot. so there is no difference... u move tactically and u take proper cover.
and an atec allows them to do that: run around with impunity cos the miles are often not sensitive, and certainly not as painful as live rounds. -
weird...im totally impress with it..Originally posted by wd1:got to handle one at AA'2004... it IS short, but feels very fat and bulky. wasn't exactly used to the feel of it. the sight/FCS is quite enormous and somewhat spoils its handling chracteristics and balance. wasn't totally impressed with it.
like u..i was quite skeptic abt it..but after tryin it out...i like the feeling when doin standing shoulder position..very balance.. -
hm.. i cant comment since im not frm the fmn. but i think theres no point in calling names.Originally posted by CX:"speedy and tenacious" but not reckless.. how can u run all over without taking cover when weapons are going off all over? m16, saw, mg and all???
its totally stupid and reinforces the perception of many of the observers that cdos are dumbass muscle-heads... the speed was impressive but get real.. if this was a real ops we fully expect them to be all dead.
it is understood that cdo carry out high risk, highly specialised missions and they don't do it the same way as infantry, but i think physiologically, we all get hurt real bad or die if we get shot. so there is no difference... u move tactically and u take proper cover.
and an atec allows them to do that: run around with impunity cos the miles are often not sensitive, and certainly not as painful as live rounds. -
x 2Originally posted by CX:"speedy and tenacious" but not reckless.. how can u run all over without taking cover when weapons are going off all over? m16, saw, mg and all???
its totally stupid and reinforces the perception of many of the observers that cdos are dumbass muscle-heads... the speed was impressive but get real.. if this was a real ops we fully expect them to be all dead.
it is understood that cdo carry out high risk, highly specialised missions and they don't do it the same way as infantry, but i think physiologically, we all get hurt real bad or die if we get shot. so there is no difference... u move tactically and u take proper cover.
and an atec allows them to do that: run around with impunity cos the miles are often not sensitive, and certainly not as painful as live rounds. -
You find it disturbing? Don't know if it still happens, but it used to drive the umpires crazy!Originally posted by CX:one thing that baffles me about cdo ops... u guys run all over the shop and everything...
i admire the speed and physical endurance, but i do wonder in a real situation, are u guys under the impression that u can outrun bullets?
its something i had the opportunity to observe during a cdo atec a few years ago... and i just found the whole situation quite disturbing...
Back in my day (yes, I'm showing my age here ), it was BTEC, and we did what we were trained to do, which was namely guerrilla warfare. We had no hierarchy and no set lines, so what we effectively did was disperse and envelope the opponent or form ad hoc teams on the spot to hit targets of opportunity. From the outside it all looks chaotic (which was what the umpires objected to), but there is method to the madness.
And of course we overrun objectives - what's the point of attacking a target if all you're going to do is run around outside it? We don't hold on to them for long, though - as I understand it, another unit such as infantry is usually meant to come and relieve us after a relatively short while. -
err.. not all aircraft painted black is stealthy.. hahaaa....Originally posted by cavsg:i think the most interesting design of all is the MAV-1, this is a gaint leap for the local aviation industry. if its really stealthy as the shape looks, we could be the 1st outside western nations to test out a stealth aircraft(dassault is planning a version, bae did a mockup). the whole game would changed to our advantage. neighbours would have to invest on more advance radars to counter it. -
for tt purpose shudnt planes be painted like skyblue or white?Originally posted by siaokao:err.. not all aircraft painted black is stealthy.. hahaaa....