A new tank for the SAF ?
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From the website - 'Armour on the Web', the following picture was spotted.
New Tank ?
AMX-SM1
M-113 with ULTRA mounted overhead
http://www.mindef.gov.sg/army/armour_heritage.htm -
That is , my friend a AMX-10 PAC90.
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thats an affirmative...Originally posted by gary1910:That is , my friend a AMX-10 PAC90.
anyway i think they are no longer in action... -
They are still in use...but only with 1 reservist unit.Originally posted by MushyMaro:thats an affirmative...
anyway i think they are no longer in action... -
yups... saw a couple of reservist uncles driving a pair around once last time in LCK...
BIG fellas... but according to a tankie from of the other threads last time, it gets hot pretty fast right?
heard it swims too... cool machine... but its not the mystery machine we're hoping to see
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Ok guys, other than the new light tank that ST is developing for SAF (rumoured or true), what would be a good replacement for the 60 or so Centurions (or Tempest some might want to call it)?
Given that the magical 3.0 meters is presumed not a requirements for the MBTs, lets speculate and comment what would be a cool choice
(Assumption taken is that it would be a 1:1 replacement, and money is NOT an issue).
My choices are:
1. Giat Lelerc
2. M60-2000 with a MTU GD833 engine and Israeli active defensive aids suite.
3. Japanese Type 90
4. Sabra II (with a different engine... looking at MTU GD 883 V-12; plus all the nice weapon fire control system and sights of the Merkava 4, advanced data communications and battle management system and active defensive aids suite)
Ideal would be about 6 million USD per tank and thus 60 tanks will cost SAF 360 to 400 million (tanks plus support). -
Dun we have the replacement already in the form of the...
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I dun think there ever will be any replacement for the amx's, if they serve the current purpose of looking obscurely like obsolete junk but at the same time nible, like having an old XT computer casing but hidden with pentium 4 microprocessor inside. why would they want to replace it with anything?
Unless they can find something better which there are but I doubt it because it will cost a whole lot of money and take a long long time to do, change 1 & we have to change all 380, change all 380 & we have to think abt retraining the maintainence teams + equipment for manufacturing spares also what abt combat retraining and time for them to go operational?
I think the most they will develop better rounds or try strapping on a 105-106 mm gun or improve the FCS, tune the engine but that's abt it. -
But there is also another approach they have to take if really they want to change to a new tank ... seamlessly.
Mi not a tankee but I think the key denominator here is the FCS, the FCS is the system or the software that currently all tankee crews are trained on it.
eg: Makes no sense to install DOS 5 operating system currently used with your XT machine onto a pentium 4 machine because it's not efficient at all, better to upgrade the XT to start using Win2k instead, once you are familiar with win2k then you upgrade to a better machine.
To change to a better tank assuming there is a need for it, first upgrade the FCS software on the amx to a superior one and train the crews to start using it.
At the same time start phasing in or upgrade equipment for manufacturing of spares for new tank and retraining maintainence crews. Once your maintainence+spare support reaches critical mass level only then can you change the tank.
Of course all this will also take a few years & cost a lot of money but in the end the rollout process will be quite a seamless cutover.
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Well, they better get an OS that does not crash as often as windows... imagine what would happen in battle if you got illegal operation or blue screen of death...
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dunno what software they use but I doubt it is windows, most legacy systems or rugged computers dun use ms-windows most use a cutdown version of unix operating system, the os is much more reliable.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Well, they better get an OS that does not crash as often as windows... imagine what would happen in battle if you got illegal operation or blue screen of death... -
Well, as I recall, the AMX-10 PAC 90 also has a modified variant...Those in the know might know what i mean.Isn't that quite okay for interim armoured needs?
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Those 'new' tanks are really 'old' tanks. They've been in service for some time before the sm1 replace them. Those tanks are huge and they can swim. Its crew have to go thru some rigourous underwater excercise. You know why.
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I think it 's waste becos we bought them not too long ago (in the 90s) and the only AFVs in our inventory that is truelly designed for amphibious landing.Originally posted by MushyMaro:thats an affirmative...
anyway i think they are no longer in action...
ST should actually look at at it & modified to suit our requirement and local condition.
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Use the penguin OS... Linux Redhat!Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Well, they better get an OS that does not crash as often as windows... imagine what would happen in battle if you got illegal operation or blue screen of death...
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VxWorks from Wind River Systems. Crashless. Used: Mars exploration rover.Originally posted by Moonstriker:Use the penguin OS... Linux Redhat! -
*Salutes.
Mars rover eh,..well something that can be entrusted to run the Mars Exploration Rovers can most probably be counted.However this country has a poor track record when it comes to new i.e radical and off-the-beaten track kind of stuff.Therefore I don't think its likely they will veer away from the usual modification of COTS software.What do you think? -
I think its only a matter of time.
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My choices wld beOriginally posted by Joe Black:Ok guys, other than the new light tank that ST is developing for SAF (rumoured or true), what would be a good replacement for the 60 or so Centurions (or Tempest some might want to call it)?
Given that the magical 3.0 meters is presumed not a requirements for the MBTs, lets speculate and comment what would be a cool choice
(Assumption taken is that it would be a 1:1 replacement, and money is NOT an issue).
My choices are:
1. Giat Lelerc
2. M60-2000 with a MTU GD833 engine and Israeli active defensive aids suite.
3. Japanese Type 90
4. Sabra II (with a different engine... looking at MTU GD 883 V-12; plus all the nice weapon fire control system and sights of the Merkava 4, advanced data communications and battle management system and active defensive aids suite)
Ideal would be about 6 million USD per tank and thus 60 tanks will cost SAF 360 to 400 million (tanks plus support).
1.Merkava 1
2.Merkava 2
3. Giat Lelerc
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AH.... those were the days....Originally posted by ditzy:Those 'new' tanks are really 'old' tanks. They've been in service for some time before the sm1 replace them. Those tanks are huge and they can swim. Its crew have to go thru some rigourous underwater excercise. You know why.
Too bad I got posted out....
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hey. anyone saw the army ad on AXN?? oso got one tank, duno whether is the same as the one here, but i remember its damn funny in e video la. when dat tank fires, all u get is a 'PUTT' . i was like
oooo. i want a merkava!!
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That's the SM-1 wor.......Originally posted by Groovee:hey. anyone saw the army ad on AXN?? oso got one tank, duno whether is the same as the one here, but i remember its damn funny in e video la. when dat tank fires, all u get is a 'PUTT' . i was like
oooo. i want a merkava!!
and yea dun we all want a merkava
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the rest sound possible... but the japanese are banned from exporting weapons systems.Originally posted by Joe Black:
Ok guys, other than the new light tank that ST is developing for SAF (rumoured or true), what would be a good replacement for the 60 or so Centurions (or Tempest some might want to call it)?
Given that the magical 3.0 meters is presumed not a requirements for the MBTs, lets speculate and comment what would be a cool choice
(Assumption taken is that it would be a 1:1 replacement, and money is NOT an issue).3. Japanese Type 90
but well... they did weasle their way into deploying troops in iraq... hmmm ... maybe its not that impossible after all... -
oh.. they are going to reinterpret or even change their constitution so tt they can export parts again, cos they would like to take part in US's missile defense system.Originally posted by CX:the rest sound possible... but the japanese are banned from exporting weapons systems.
but well... they did weasle their way into deploying troops in iraq... hmmm ... maybe its not that impossible after all... -
Saw a short clip of Primus vehicle from the rear with the 4 crewman who seems to have a little trouble squeezing thru the rear ......... because the side appendages/fuel tanks? was getting in the way.
I'm guessing the new SAF light tank/MBT would be on this chassis.
Anyone seen a prototype running around?