NS SUCKS
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See, I just got flamed again.Originally posted by NathanG5:well..did u? awwwwww...poor thing..run to your mummy now
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sigh...Originally posted by Ayukat:Yah! More supporters!
see what i mean. comments like these just bring the discussion down to a childish level.
there's nothing to 'yay' about if you have people who think the same way as you.
everyone has an opinion. just that he has the same as yours, and there are people who support ns which are against what your believe in.
if you don't want people to flame you, please contribute posts with more substance.
I know i crap alot, but if you want people to listen to you, please do what i said above. -
X5Originally posted by gary1910:I dunno you are naive or what ?
Int'l relation are based on power either militarily or economically !!!
But disputes are usually counter balance by military might otherwise you will be bullied even today.
For example, the Spratly Islands issue, where PRC actually sent forces to occupy some of them even with the disgust of the Fillipinos, since they have no mean to stop the Chinese!
Another example with Brunei offshore oilfield where they send a French survey team which was chased off the by Malaysian gunboats, till now the issue is still not resolved becos the Brunei's is too weak to go against the Malaysian.
As for Sg example, w/o the strong SAF, the Malaysian could easily cut off our water supply so to force us to bend to their wishes whenever there is dispute between two countries. LKY has warned MY that unilateral cutting off our water means war!!!!
They have threaten but they never dare to do so.
Another example is the Pedra Branca issue, which after the Couragous incident, the Malaysian kept on intruded into the water of Pedra Branca and proclaimimg joint patrol. With warning from Dr. Tan , the intrusion ceased.
If RSN is as weak as Brunei's navy , I dun think it will stop.
Our stability which are greatly due to our military power mean a good location for FDI, otherwise how could we continue to enjoy economical growth for so long!!!
Therefore dun say that that NS is a total waste of time becos NS ensure our safety , stability and finally financially as well.
For ppl who dislike NS are those who dislike the discipline imposed on them which is universal in any uniform group . Without it, nothing will be achieved, otherwise how could you motivate a large group of unruly ppl to continue fight on for more than 48hrs!!!!
Therefore dun say NS is a waste of time, you dislike it becos you dun like to be shout at or told what to do all the time, you dun like the restrictive disciplined organisation like the SAF, period.
For those who think that way most probably will "keng" and mark by all his superior as well as peers, which mean a very miserable life during NS , but with a postive attitude toward NS, you might even enjoy it.
for those who think singapore would never be in a war or will never win a war? think again, yes, singapore might be at less-odds when fighting a war........but for me, i rather die a soldier(or a fighting man) then live as a %^&&^ person under occupation..... -
you sound so "fugue"...Originally posted by Ayukat:Yah! More supporters! -
With NS, I wasn't thinking so much as in what I am doing for the country. I was thinking more of what serving NS was doing for me.
You become stronger mentally and physically.
You became someone who can run on willpower when physical power is all but exhausted.
I have seen former mama's boys, overweight and weak but giving everything they got to shed the past and stand proud.
All I can say to those who hated NS is: Stop whining and take it like a man. -
Freedom is the right of all sentinent beings.
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*Yawns* Die....When there is life there is hope.Originally posted by snk86:X5
for those who think singapore would never be in a war or will never win a war? think again, yes, singapore might be at less-odds when fighting a war........but for me, i rather die a soldier(or a fighting man) then live as a %^&&^ person under occupation..... -
*Yawns again* So those posts that flamed me had substance?Originally posted by kopiosatu:sigh...
see what i mean. comments like these just bring the discussion down to a childish level.
there's nothing to 'yay' about if you have people who think the same way as you.
everyone has an opinion. just that he has the same as yours, and there are people who support ns which are against what your believe in.
if you don't want people to flame you, please contribute posts with more substance.
I know i crap alot, but if you want people to listen to you, please do what i said above. -
And this one-liner is supposed to be an answer to.....?Originally posted by Ayukat:Freedom is the right of all sentinent beings.
Very well, if you want to get into cliches, I shall respond in kind: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants". -
u call that flaming?Originally posted by Ayukat:*Yawns again* So those posts that flamed me had substance?
so by posting one liner = more substance? -
Jefferson =]Originally posted by Gedanken:And this one-liner is supposed to be an answer to.....?
Very well, if you want to get into cliches, I shall respond in kind: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants".
So quoted General Hummel to Captain Mason, who retorted with, "Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious" by Wilde.
Just a flashback, pardon the interruption.
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Yes, but freedom comes with a price.Originally posted by Ayukat:Freedom is the right of all sentinent beings.
The price is that we must be prepared to defend it when other people comes to take it away. Freedom is not defined by the first 4 letters. -
Excellent, M! There was no interruption at all. The reference to "The Rock" was wholly intentional for its hackneyed nature, which suits this thread at this stage!Originally posted by M:Jefferson =]
So quoted General Hummel to Captain Mason, who retorted with, "Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious" by Wilde.
Just a flashback, pardon the interruption. -
freedom will not be there, if no one wants to sacifice n only think of himself...Originally posted by Ayukat:Freedom is the right of all sentinent beings.
Originally posted by Ayukat:
*Yawns* Die....When there is life there is hope.
our freedom n good life today is due to the sacifice of our forefathers, who fought for what we have today.
to ensure that our children will have their freedom n continue to enjoy what we have achived today n their hope for tomorrow, does it really matter to just sacifice a few years of ns....
nothing is free in this world... n freedom will not be there if u don't fight for it. -
well, i've stated my point, i know that you're still a kid and you can't see the big picture.Originally posted by Ayukat:*Yawns again* So those posts that flamed me had substance?
u can continue yawning.
freedom is your choice.
and if u choose to not serve NS, then choose not to be in this country.
you CAN leave this country, the options are open, you're not taking it. -
can't change his mindset.Originally posted by NathanG5:u call that flaming?
so by posting one liner = more substance?
i accept the fact that people feel that NS is a waste of time.
what i see here is, the people who feel that way don't accept that we see it a different way. they refuse to believe that there are people who see a reason for NS and when those who hate it don't get their point across, they take it as a loss and we're all losers who believe in the positive side of NS -
2 1/2 years is too long. How about 3 months? And how come smart people get to serve longer?Originally posted by lion02:freedom will not be there, if no one wants to sacifice n only think of himself...
our freedom n good life today is due to the sacifice of our forefathers, who fought for what we have today.
to ensure that our children will have their freedom n continue to enjoy what we have achived today n their hope for tomorrow, does it really matter to just sacifice a few years of ns....
nothing is free in this world... n freedom will not be there if u don't fight for it. -
r u confident to fight in a war with 3 mths of training?Originally posted by Ayukat:2 1/2 years is too long. How about 3 months? And how come smart people get to serve longer?
do u think ur peers and commanders will be confident with u, if u had 3 mths of training? -
he wouldn't know. he'll reply with some theory of his which sounds totally absurd.Originally posted by wuming78:r u confident to fight in a war with 3 mths of training?
do u think ur peers and commanders will be confident with u, if u had 3 mths of training?
and if he thinks this is a flame, think again. then again, he's not thinking -
You need at least one year of training to be at least operational ready, at least for combat troops.Originally posted by Ayukat:2 1/2 years is too long. How about 3 months? And how come smart people get to serve longer?
And one years of exe to hone your skills up to div level.
CHARGE!!!
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my bf is serving ns now.. he always come home with a tired look and begin to sleep till the day he booking in..
too exhausted in training -
no need to be sad.Originally posted by ^sylvia^:my bf is serving ns now.. he always come home with a tired look and begin to sleep till the day he booking in.. too exhausted in training
think of it this way, if you two can't even get through this, then the relationship isn't strong enough. -
i'm becoming more independant now.. unlike last time i'm a sticky girl who sticks my bf around.
but now hardly get the chance to chat with him -
No problem, if that day comes I'll just run away.Originally posted by wuming78:r u confident to fight in a war with 3 mths of training?
do u think ur peers and commanders will be confident with u, if u had 3 mths of training? -
I think I'll get a coach to train me up to the fullest and we'll see who is the boss during NS. Hmm....