NS SUCKS
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I'll fight but for my own freedom not the country's.
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And what do you think the idea behind NS is, Einstein?Originally posted by Ayukat:I'll fight but for my own freedom not the country's.
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Fight for my country? LOL. I'll fight for my friends n family. Not for the government. Who are they to me? They make so many "nice" policies that companies end up favoring the hiring of "foreign" talents, go ask those foreign talents to die for them lar.
As far as I am concerned, if it ever comes to war, I see no reason to protect our government unless they start refocusing on favoring Singaporeans more than some ingrate mainland chinese students. -
hm... i dun understand y ppl always equate country to the government. the government is jus one small part of a country.Originally posted by Shotgun:Fight for my country? LOL. I'll fight for my friends n family. Not for the government. Who are they to me? They make so many "nice" policies that companies end up favoring the hiring of "foreign" talents, go ask those foreign talents to die for them lar.
As far as I am concerned, if it ever comes to war, I see no reason to protect our government unless they start refocusing on favoring Singaporeans more than some ingrate mainland chinese students. -
I refused to read the rest of the thread after i saw the first post last week thinking that it was bs.
I made a mistake. I read the entire thread due to curiousity (wtf is this so long?), and found out it was total bs (most of the childish whines).I'll fight but for my own freedom not the country's
Let's see now. what would be your chances of survival if you didn't have training from NS?
Secondly what are you going to fight with? Your mom's cooking knives? Or your invincible digimon? SAF isn't going to give out guns and ammo to ingrates like you. Maybe get them off dead soldiers? Being the coward (you admitted as much), you probably won't get close enough to frontlines to even see as much as an enemy.
Or you can fight with fellow soldiers who have trained with you in the past. They may be the most cock-up bunch of idiots you know, but at least you are sure they are half-trained at the very least. And these cockanadens are supplied with weapons and ammon from the SAF.
I'll take my chances with the latter.
I'll digress a little here on why kids today can't seem to grow up ...
There's some weird generation gap between the young adults (i'll call them Gen-Y) and teenagers (i'll call them GB, for Gen-Brat) in Singapore today. Me, I belong to in between these 2 generations, and I've seen some rather disturbing things.
GB kids nowadays have handphones in primary school, maids to carry their school bags and all that assorted rubbish. Hence, they grow up thinking the world revolves around themselves. Perhaps subconciously, they expect things to go their way forever. Their whims and fancies are all granted by over-protective parents who want to give their GB child the best; not knowing that this over-indulgence would likely ruin them.
Today, a teacher rapping a student on the palm with a metal ruler would instantly cause a PR nightmare. Panaroid parents would immediately call up the school authorities to complain (My sis teaches in a primary school today, so i know). And if the parents kbkp enough, our dear TNP would chap ji kar and make it headline news the next day.
In the past, if I ever told my mom that, she'd just say "Why never beat harder?" *Note : Of course, if I told her my teacher took a broomstick and hit my head till it bled, she'd react differently.* And neither did I get the newest handphones and pagers from my parents. My first handphone was bought with my own money from my first paycheck. Everything new that I wanted but didn't need, was paid for by my own savings. I was taught the value of things.
These GBs live in a safe, overprotected world of their own and simply refuse to listen. While their parents should shoulder some blame, the majority of it should be given to the GBs themselves. Because in the end, only they can wake themselves up. If they refuse to, let them learn the hardest way possible from the harshest teacher : Life.
It's inevitable that these kids will enter the forum and lower the average maturity/intelligence level, so why argue with them? They won't listen anyway, so let them learn the hard way on their own. If they eventually enter NS with a negative mindset, they would come out worse. This would affect their lives in a negative way in the future. Let them screw up their lives on their own.
Back to the point somewhat ...
I was actually raring to go to NS after JC because I was so damn bored with my life and temp job. After I entered NS, the only thing I wanted to do was get out. Now looking back, those days weren't so bad afterall. It's funny how life works out sometimes. -
Someone waaayy back asked about General Patton's quote, here you go :
Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. You won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.
General Patton's most famous speech in full is here :
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/patton_20010914.html
One of my favourite speeches. I'm not pro-america, but that has to be the most colourful speech I've ever seen/heard.
Another quote from him (to all the chao keng pple around) :You may be thankful that twenty years from now when you are sitting by the fireplace with your grandson on your knee and he asks you what you did in the great World War II, you WON'T have to cough, shift him to the other knee and say, 'Well, your Granddaddy shoveled sh!t in Louisiana.'
Another one, to illustrate the shouting phenomena in the SAF,When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty. It may not sound nice to some bunch of little old ladies at an afternoon tea party, but it helps my soldiers to remember. You can't run an army without profanity; and it has to be eloquent profanity. An army without profanity couldn't fight it's way out of a piss-soaked paper bag
You've never been in ANY army if you've never taken a scolding with profanities in it. -
We all recited the pledge, doesnt it mean something to you?
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If war breaks out, I think i'll fight to cover my buddy's ass and hope he covers mine!Originally posted by Ayukat:I'll fight but for my own freedom not the country's. -
Originally posted by meander:
You think I want to go to the frontline meh?
I refused to read the rest of the thread after i saw the first post last week thinking that it was bs.
I made a mistake. I read the entire thread due to curiousity (wtf is this so long?), and found out it [b]was total bs (most of the childish whines).
Let's see now. what would be your chances of survival if you didn't have training from NS?
Secondly what are you going to fight with? Your mom's cooking knives? Or your invincible digimon? SAF isn't going to give out guns and ammo to ingrates like you. Maybe get them off dead soldiers? Being the coward (you admitted as much), you probably won't get close enough to frontlines to even see as much as an enemy.
Or you can fight with fellow soldiers who have trained with you in the past. They may be the most cock-up bunch of idiots you know, but at least you are sure they are half-trained at the very least. And these cockanadens are supplied with weapons and ammon from the SAF.
I'll take my chances with the latter.
I'll digress a little here on why kids today can't seem to grow up ...
There's some weird generation gap between the young adults (i'll call them Gen-Y) and teenagers (i'll call them GB, for Gen-Brat) in Singapore today. Me, I belong to in between these 2 generations, and I've seen some rather disturbing things.
GB kids nowadays have handphones in primary school, maids to carry their school bags and all that assorted rubbish. Hence, they grow up thinking the world revolves around themselves. Perhaps subconciously, they expect things to go their way forever. Their whims and fancies are all granted by over-protective parents who want to give their GB child the best; not knowing that this over-indulgence would likely ruin them.
Today, a teacher rapping a student on the palm with a metal ruler would instantly cause a PR nightmare. Panaroid parents would immediately call up the school authorities to complain (My sis teaches in a primary school today, so i know). And if the parents kbkp enough, our dear TNP would chap ji kar and make it headline news the next day.
In the past, if I ever told my mom that, she'd just say "Why never beat harder?" *Note : Of course, if I told her my teacher took a broomstick and hit my head till it bled, she'd react differently.* And neither did I get the newest handphones and pagers from my parents. My first handphone was bought with my own money from my first paycheck. Everything new that I wanted but didn't need, was paid for by my own savings. I was taught the value of things.
These GBs live in a safe, overprotected world of their own and simply refuse to listen. While their parents should shoulder some blame, the majority of it should be given to the GBs themselves. Because in the end, only they can wake themselves up. If they refuse to, let them learn the hardest way possible from the harshest teacher : Life.
It's inevitable that these kids will enter the forum and lower the average maturity/intelligence level, so why argue with them? They won't listen anyway, so let them learn the hard way on their own. If they eventually enter NS with a negative mindset, they would come out worse. This would affect their lives in a negative way in the future. Let them screw up their lives on their own.
Back to the point somewhat ...
I was actually raring to go to NS after JC because I was so damn bored with my life and temp job. After I entered NS, the only thing I wanted to do was get out. Now looking back, those days weren't so bad afterall. It's funny how life works out sometimes.[/b] -
By the way, I bought my handphone myself and paid the bills myself.
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One more thing, how do you know SAF isn't going to issue weapons to me? They won't even know its me.
The main point is even if the intension is good, meaningful and important to the country, is it truely right to force someone against their own will? I think I said this many times already. -
*yawn*
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dude. when they issue weapon, the also assign you to SOMEWHERE. then you desert, the officer will get to use his spanky p226.Originally posted by Ayukat:One more thing, how do you know SAF isn't going to issue weapons to me? They won't even know its me.
The main point is even if the intension is good, meaningful and important to the country, is it truely right to force someone against their own will? I think I said this many times already. -
I'll say something different for once.
When I was still in Secondary School, my CCA was Dance. Everytime when there was a performance we had to do rehearsals. There was once we even had to come back to school on Sunday mornings and stay till 8 PM+ in the night. Everytime our teacher would get angry because we weren't up to his standard and started scolding us, throwing the microphone, throwing the tables, chairs and even the radio. The throwing part is unbelievable right? But I swear its competely true.
There was a time, due to some disagreement with one of the other teachers he threw the chair and table with the radio on top infront of her. I remembered the other teacher ended up crying. The teachers even scolded us with a Chinese saying, erm whats that about lousy wood can't be carved? Especially during competitions he tend to get more hotheaded. The scoldings can go on for hours, the longest was about 4 hours, one of my friends fell asleep there was even a " cok! " sound made when his head fell on the floor. Lolz.
Everytime, after the scoldings, our leaders or ex-seniors would gather us for another talk of our own. We sat down to think of what went wrongly, how to amend the problem and sometimes we would do some physical punishments.
Everytime after a performance, the satisfiction is undescribable even though I seldom show it. The shared joy and all the hardwork. Everytime after our performance our teacher would always praised us no matter how good or lousy we were. He would tell us not to think about it and sleep well as we had a long day.
Whenever we win a competition, erm....we haven't lost before. I meant we always got the Gold Award. The happiness and joy is even greater. However, I feel that its not because of the award, its become of our teamwork, unity and care for each other that makes me feel proud and happy.
I just wanted to ask, is that the feeling you all are talking about? -
Wow, i can't believe this has carried on for so long!
Look, it is clear u do not like NS. That's fine, really. But the fact remains that u still have to do it, unless u have a 'get out of singapore free' card, and can 'escape' to some other country and don't come back.
The fact of the matter is, what u get out of it depends on what u put into it. If u expect to totally detest it and consider it a waste of time, your next few years will be hell, and frankly speaking, u will perform badly thru out your service, and u will feel like crap for the whole period.
You will not get any sympathy from your compatriots, and especially from the pple here who have had to go thru it with your belly-aching. Everyone has had to do it. u seem to think that NS is a burden. U are right, it is. But it is one every guy here has to bear. It is also a responsibility, like it or not. the act of the matter is, we don't have the capability to defend ourselves otherwise. if u don't like the reality of the situation, leave. i am not kidding.
As for ur dance experience, good for u that u achieved in something that u CHOSE to do. I think u deserve even more credit when u excel in something that u HAVE to do.
Its all about attitude, kiddo. Stop complaining and get with the program. -
Arukat posts/opinions are honest and constructive. Please donÂ’t post insults or retarded opinions with the obvious intention to undermine he's integrity and boost your own ego.
I stand by his opinions on the whole issue of NS. Awarness on how NS is being conducted and the level of motivation among those serving is important. -
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I am not sure if this was directed at me, but i will assume it is.Originally posted by Flashgalaxy:Arukat posts/opinions are honest and constructive. Please donÂ’t post insults or retarded opinions with the obvious intention to undermine he's integrity and boost your own ego.
I stand by his opinions on the whole issue of NS. Awarness on how NS is being conducted and the level of motivation among those serving is important.
I understand that his views are honest, and so are mine. I don't go around assuming that people are out to boost their egos simply because they disgree with me, and i suggest that u do the same. If u think my post was out to "insult" or to "undermine his integrity", it would be useful for u to point out why u think so.
I post what i think, and i think i was giving a piece of advice. u can take it, or leave it, it does not really matter to me.
I respect the fact that u have a view. But the fact of the matter remains that a lot of this "motivation" comes from within. U want to affect change in the SAF? good for u. Go sign on as a regular, and affect change from within. -
Yup,I think NS sucks as well.
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I think the easiest thing to figure out if we need NS is to ask our grandparents what they think about needing a credible defence force against any potential threats that might want to take away our way of life as we know it.
If we cannot defend Singapore, there is hardly any place we can run when in trouble, considering our geopolitical situtation. The need is urgent to defend ourselves and make our stand. -
I didn't chose that CCA, it was the best solution for getting high CCA points in the shortest time. I didn't had a CCA then and my previous CCA teacher brought me to the Dance teacher because it was the most tedious CCA. She wanted to suffer in misery but she lost. I was happier in there.Originally posted by Blockhead:Wow, i can't believe this has carried on for so long!
Look, it is clear u do not like NS. That's fine, really. But the fact remains that u still have to do it, unless u have a 'get out of singapore free' card, and can 'escape' to some other country and don't come back.
The fact of the matter is, what u get out of it depends on what u put into it. If u expect to totally detest it and consider it a waste of time, your next few years will be hell, and frankly speaking, u will perform badly thru out your service, and u will feel like crap for the whole period.
You will not get any sympathy from your compatriots, and especially from the pple here who have had to go thru it with your belly-aching. Everyone has had to do it. u seem to think that NS is a burden. U are right, it is. But it is one every guy here has to bear. It is also a responsibility, like it or not. the act of the matter is, we don't have the capability to defend ourselves otherwise. if u don't like the reality of the situation, leave. i am not kidding.
As for ur dance experience, good for u that u achieved in something that u CHOSE to do. I think u deserve even more credit when u excel in something that u HAVE to do.
Its all about attitude, kiddo. Stop complaining and get with the program.
Why do people HAVE to do National Service? Are you absolutely sure there will be no deserters? Not directing this to you but to everybody, are you absolutely sure YOU will not be the deserter? Somebody once said you won't know it until you are in the situation yourself. And I seen many people claimed how brave they were around these places. -
8 pages and still ranting...
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quite a pointless argument/discussion imo
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from you post, i reckoned that you still lack experience in life.... yes nobody likes to be railed at..... but next time when you step into the society, if your boos rails at you and starts to bang table, do you just walk out and quit? you might other financial considerations to take into account...... my former OC used to bang tables, kick the rubbish bin, throw hole puncher at me.... what am i suppose to do? draw out my weapon to shoot him? no i did not, instead i thanked him from my bottom of my heart, i keep asking myself how can i avoid a 'good one' from him, instead of complaining, i decide to be proactive and anticipate things...this is the best weapon to keep his mouth and legs quiet......Originally posted by Ayukat:I didn't chose that CCA, it was the best solution for getting high CCA points in the shortest time. I didn't had a CCA then and my previous CCA teacher brought me to the Dance teacher because it was the most tedious CCA. She wanted to suffer in misery but she lost. I was happier in there.
Why do people HAVE to do National Service? Are you absolutely sure there will be no deserters? Not directing this to you but to everybody, are you absolutely sure YOU will not be the deserter? Somebody once said you won't know it until you are in the situation yourself. And I seen many people claimed how brave they were around these places.
if you like dancing, you can join the music and drama company after your BMT, but hey, the world is not perfect, sometimes people need to be a bit thick skin to survive on this world, -
so wat is he gona do when anyone of us insult him? well..he can retaliate..but in real life..u think he is able to?Originally posted by Flashgalaxy:Arukat posts/opinions are honest and constructive. Please donÂ’t post insults or retarded opinions with the obvious intention to undermine he's integrity and boost your own ego.
I stand by his opinions on the whole issue of NS. Awarness on how NS is being conducted and the level of motivation among those serving is important.
when someone slap u in the face..wat would u do?
when someone spit at u..wat would u?
when some country threaten the country where ur buddies n your family live..wat are we gona do?
bend down?
how should NS be conducted?
sure..we can recommend SAF that we shld bring our maids in..
have Mc replace SFI n FF...sound better rite?
n it seem that u have some idea how shld we conduct NS..so tell us wats in your mind?
if u cant get motivation from NS..that your farking problem bro..