New gun a cock-up ?
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i dun need a bayonet or ET tool...i have the ultimate secondary weapon...i have a spare barrel..
scared boh!!! -
U think they'd allow people to carry personal "lucky" weapons into war?
Some may have personalised katana's and are pretty handy with it... hahaha. -
Just came back from ICT and had a 2 days SAR21 convertion...
Here is my take on SAR21........
1) The safty feature - When the magazine is empty, the bolt will be behind. No matter how you cock, the bolt just wont release itself. Only by removing the magazine then will you be able to release the bolt. This minimize the potential of mis-firing.
2) Ergonomic - like the feel of the weapon, very comfortable. Balanced weapon, wont feel front heavy even with the LAD. can even let is stand upright.
3) 1.5x scope - very accurate. Where you aim, the round will land there. 100m range, 100% on target (fig 11, 12 & 15). Need some getting use to the scope though....must get the correct aiming position.
4) Weight - 4KG as compared to 2.85kg of M16. however, if the M16 was mounted with the S/S scope and LAD, then weight almost the same and M16 will be front heavy especially with the LAD.
5) Stripping and Assembly - easy to strip and assemble. Able to strip in 20sec and assmeble in 30sec. After L/F, easily clean.
6) Just like SAW, it is gas operated, thus need to adjust the gas regulator setting, I, II or III. Else would IA like mad. L/F preferably III........
7) No problem with the charging handle. Turn cocking level left, cocked with left hand, return cocking level to neutral position and move down to safty weapon. No problem for me.
8 ) Loading and Unloading - after checked clear, tilted weapon right and load in mag. Same method as unloading. Take some getting use to but dont see mush problem.
9) Recoil - personally think it is lighter than M16 but louder though due to the chamber being beside your face.
10) Trigger - double action same as M16.....no problem.
11) Mode selection - located near the butt stock. Though present location still ok BUT prefer to be somewhere near the pistol grip.....
All in all, it is a good and simple weapon......anyone with some proper coaching on the safety, can fire it immediately....
Imagine during operation, anyone can just pick up the weapon and fire........
All these are my personal opinion after handling and firing SAR21 last week....
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http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?s=1-292925-xm8.php
Check out the XM8...and make yr own comparison with SAR-21
For me the assembly and disassembly is more complicated....gotta remove handguard to get to my bolt.
I wld not want to lose my locking pins too.....
Southpark
The Dude -
still love my trusty M-16...or a M-4 carbine...it survived thru NAM...Falklands war...Gulf...now at Iraqi..u name it!...
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Bayonet fighting?? Better run if your position is overrun. Live and fight another day man..
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in time of war, a soldier should always obey the superiors.
fight, we'll fight as one.
damn i miss those ns days.
live and fight another day?
and another day? and another day?
if the order is given to hold on to the position, we'll hold.Originally posted by Langley:Bayonet fighting?? Better run if your position is overrun. Live and fight another day man.. -
War is about yielding and retaking territory. Provided you still have territory to withdraw to, retreating, regrouping and launching a new attack with tactical surprise is better than heroically fighting to the last man. But then if your position is Woodlands or Choa Chu Kang, well.. No strategic depth lah Singapore.Originally posted by foga:in time of war, a soldier should always obey the superiors.
fight, we'll fight as one.
damn i miss those ns days.
live and fight another day?
and another day? and another day?
if the order is given to hold on to the position, we'll hold. -
not if yielding means having the front turned and an entire division screwed....i.e the 200 men from the 12th SS HJ holding open a pocket so that 750,000 men can escapeOriginally posted by Langley:War is about yielding and retaking territory. Provided you still have territory to withdraw to, retreating, regrouping and launching a new attack with tactical surprise is better than heroically fighting to the last man. But then if your position is Woodlands or Choa Chu Kang, well.. No strategic depth lah Singapore. -
True true.. thin line between cowardice and pragmatism.
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For those who thinks that the bayonet is useless.
Bayonet Brits kill 35 rebels
OUTNUMBERED British soldiers killed 35 Iraqi attackers in the ArmyÂ’s first bayonet charge since the Falklands War 22 years ago.
The fearless Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders stormed rebel positions after being ambushed and pinned down.
Despite being outnumbered five to one, they suffered only three minor wounds in the hand-to-hand fighting near the city of Amara.
The battle erupted after Land Rovers carrying 20 Argylls came under attack on a highway.
After radioing for back-up, they fixed bayonets and charged at 100 rebels using tactics learned in drills.
When the fighting ended bodies lay all over the highway — and more were floating in a nearby river. Nine rebels were captured.
An Army spokesman said: “This was an intense engagement.”
The last bayonet charge was by the Scots Guards and the Paras against Argentinian positions.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004223179,00.html -
Is that so?Originally posted by LRRP:5.56mm caliber rounds just paper punchers, 6.8mm is becoming the new combat benchmark, after numerous complaints from grunts that 5.56 lack the punch against AK47 7.62mm...
talk about AK47, no western countries are able to replicate its reliablity , even after 40 yrs
Well, you might want to visit
www.socnetcentral.com/vb
Yes, they can't replicate it's reliablity, so they copy it right off. Valmet ring a bell? -
Originally posted by Temujin:
WOW
For those who thinks that the bayonet is useless.
[b]Bayonet Brits kill 35 rebels
OUTNUMBERED British soldiers killed 35 Iraqi attackers in the ArmyÂ’s first bayonet charge since the Falklands War 22 years ago.
The fearless Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders stormed rebel positions after being ambushed and pinned down.
Despite being outnumbered five to one, they suffered only three minor wounds in the hand-to-hand fighting near the city of Amara.
The battle erupted after Land Rovers carrying 20 Argylls came under attack on a highway.
After radioing for back-up, they fixed bayonets and charged at 100 rebels using tactics learned in drills.
When the fighting ended bodies lay all over the highway — and more were floating in a nearby river. Nine rebels were captured.
An Army spokesman said: “This was an intense engagement.”
The last bayonet charge was by the Scots Guards and the Paras against Argentinian positions.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004223179,00.html[/b]
I wonder if Singaporean soldier can do the same? -
Quick answer is no...cos' sadly, we did away with the bayonets.....Originally posted by want to know:WOW I wonder if Singaporean soldier can do the same?
I hate bayonet fighting drill but recognise its value.....
Southpark
The Dude -
Originally posted by Temujin:
Probably the 35 iraqis killed include many children and civilians rather than rebels.
For those who thinks that the bayonet is useless.
[b]Bayonet Brits kill 35 rebels
OUTNUMBERED British soldiers killed 35 Iraqi attackers in the ArmyÂ’s first bayonet charge since the Falklands War 22 years ago.
The fearless Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders stormed rebel positions after being ambushed and pinned down.
Despite being outnumbered five to one, they suffered only three minor wounds in the hand-to-hand fighting near the city of Amara.
The battle erupted after Land Rovers carrying 20 Argylls came under attack on a highway.
After radioing for back-up, they fixed bayonets and charged at 100 rebels using tactics learned in drills.
When the fighting ended bodies lay all over the highway — and more were floating in a nearby river. Nine rebels were captured.
An Army spokesman said: “This was an intense engagement.”
The last bayonet charge was by the Scots Guards and the Paras against Argentinian positions.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004223179,00.html[/b]