Changi Fighter Runway
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Originally posted by Viper52:They would almost always have subscription forms on the insides of the magazines, failing that, can try at their sites online or wait for the next AA.
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Hey thanks cavsg, didn't know STP did subscription for those mags too.Originally posted by cavsg: -
Heres a photo of WSSS taken from the air on airliners.net, with a partial layout shown of WSAC in the photo. Dated early May. (PS. Photo is not mine, credit is given in the linked URL below)
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ooooooooooooh... so this is how changi east airbase looks like...
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CAB won't close down. Will now exist as 2 seperate wings, East (new runway) and West (existing base + extended old Changi Camp).
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in economic sense....this may not be an ideal arrangement.... it is better or it seems to move the old CAB to the new CAB.....free up the land for Changi airport expansion....who knows...maybe can build a budget airline terminal at the old CAB
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Another option is to squeeze other formations into the space at the old Changi AB.
The airbases here have plenty of space to house more army camps. Maybe you can stand down the FDS in the process and re-deploy them to other combat units.
These camps (Eg the guards unit in Upper East Coast Rd) freed up can also be re-developed. Not to mention there must be some fixed cost savings for the SAF too. -
Somehow the PDS and control tower not in the picture......Originally posted by Viper52:Heres a photo of WSSS taken from the air on airliners.net, with a partial layout shown of WSAC in the photo. Dated early May. (PS. Photo is not mine, credit is given in the linked URL below)
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/576605/L/
Even the PDS loop in the old CAB is not clear too. -
Don't post sensitive info here/
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they maybe control by changi tower. there will be alot of coordination if there are 2 towers located so close.Originally posted by Fairyland:Somehow the PDS and control tower not in the picture......
Even the PDS loop in the old CAB is not clear too. -
No...theres definitely a tower on Changi East just out of the picture, one could see the tower if one got on board the bridge of Endurance-class LSTs at the recent Open House.Originally posted by cavsg:they maybe control by changi tower. there will be alot of coordination if there are 2 towers located so close. -
Changi East Runway is fully-functional on its own & a fighter sqn is moving in. I'm surprised that the aeriel photo hasn't been removed by msd. Layout of air bases is classified info.
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arghhh.... if our enemy wanna snap foto of our CAB... just buy a window seat ticket from any airline... and just snap.
this is a problem when you build an AFB next to an international airport. -
Not to mention satellites too. Malaysia have lauched and have plans to launch environmental observation satellites which may double as spy satellitess.
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I remember recently as the plane I was on approaching Changi Airport, the pilot actually warned us that it is a offence to take aerial photo of SG as we land.Originally posted by tripwire:arghhh.... if our enemy wanna snap foto of our CAB... just buy a window seat ticket from any airline... and just snap.
this is a problem when you build an AFB next to an international airport.
Then another airline has a different approach, during landing & takeoff, the stewardess announced that all windows must be closed and they even checked thru all the windows before landing & takeoff.
I wonder anyone here has experienced something similar.
I think this is something new since 911.
I remember a few years back when I was on the plane approaching SKorean airport, there was no such restriction, as the matter of fact, I actually saw one S Korean AA detachment beside the runway.
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I have take lots of flights post-911, with the latest being at the end of 2003. I've just checked with friends who have taken flights in 2004, up to May. No one has reported such rules. Which airlines did you take? (PS. Not questioning the truth of what you say, just wondering)Originally posted by gary1910:I remember recently as the plane I was on approaching Changi Airport, the pilot actually warned us that it is a offence to take aerial photo of SG as we land.
Then another airline has a different approach, during landing & takeoff, the stewardess announced that all windows must be closed and they even checked thru all the windows before landing & takeoff.
I wonder anyone here has experienced something similar.
I think this is something new since 911.
I remember a few years back when I was on the plane approaching SKorean airport, there was no such restriction, as the matter of fact, I actually saw one S Korean AA detachment beside the runway.
Afterall, the Koreans are still at war!!
If the photo was taken by a foriegner, and posted on a foreign site like airliners.net, theres little MSD can do. -
I dun really remember which airline, I think maybe Garuda, not very sure, back from HK, but I distinctly remember that the pilot warned us abt taking aerial photo from the plane as we approached Changi, since you r working aviation industry , maybe you could ask abt such rule, the date is abt Nov 2002.Originally posted by Viper52:I have take lots of flights post-911, with the latest being at the end of 2003. I've just checked with friends who have taken flights in 2004, up to May. No one has reported such rules. Which airlines did you take? (PS. Not questioning the truth of what you say, just wondering)
If the photo was taken by a foriegner, and posted on a foreign site like airliners.net, theres little MSD can do.
Then last year , on the Emirates airline, during every landing & takeoff, all windows must be closed, just like with the seat belt. That was the first time I encountered such practice. -
http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/non_version/cgi-bin/cgi_getdata.pl?&actno=1966-REVED-6&date=latest&method=part&segid=887942417-000052#887942417-000165
Air Navigation Act (Cap. 6)
Prohibited carriage and prohibited photography over protected areas.
7.—(1) The Minister may by order published in the Gazettedeclare any area to be a protected area within the meaning of this section.
(2) An aircraft flying over any protected area shall not carry —
(a) arms or explosives (other than such arms and ammunition therefor as may be permitted by rules made under the Arms and Explosives Act, and in respect of which all conditions prescribed in such rules are observed), or munitions of war (including gas in any form suitable for warlike purposes), save for the purposes of the provisions of any order made under section 3 relating to signals; or
Cap. 13.
(b) photographic apparatus, unless packed in such a manner that it cannot be used in the aircraft, and sealed by the person in charge of the aircraft before the aircraft flies over that protected area:
Provided that this paragraph shall not apply to photographic apparatus allowed to be used by a person in accordance with the terms of a permit issued to him under subsection (3).
(3)
(a) No person shall take from an aircraft any photograph of a protected area except in accordance with the terms and conditions in such permit as the Authority may see fit to issue to him.
(b) It may be a term or condition of such permit that any photograph taken under the permit must immediately be submitted for examination to such authority as is specified in the permit.
(c) A person who observes all the terms and conditions of a permit shall not be guilty of an offence under section 3 of the Official Secrets Act in respect of a photograph taken in accordance with the terms and conditions of the permit.
Cap. 213.
(4) It shall be the duty of the person in charge of the aircraft to ensure that any photographic apparatus carried in the aircraft is not used while the aircraft is flying over any protected area, and that the seals with which the apparatus is sealed are not broken within any protected area without the sanction of the Director-General of Customs or his agent.
(5) The Director-General of Customs or his agent may seize and develop, without paying compensation, any photographic films or plates carried in the aircraft, which he may reasonably suspect of having been used in contravention of any provision of this Act or of the Official Secrets Act. -
In fact, the last time i took a flight in 2003, in an SIA flight, we were told to keep all windows open whilE taking off or landing at WSSS.
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My role is mainly to do with MRO, have very little contact with the Flight Ops side. But I do have a few contacts over in Flight Ops, maybe I can ask them about the shades rule. Although from experience, the crew often remind the pax to keep the shades up not down, maybe its to do with different SOPs of different airlines.Originally posted by gary1910:I dun really remember which airline, I think maybe Garuda, not very sure, back from HK, but I distinctly remember that the pilot warned us abt taking aerial photo from the plane as we approached Changi, since you r working aviation industry , maybe you could ask abt such rule, the date is abt Nov 2002.
Then last year , on the Emirates airline, during every landing & takeoff, all windows must be closed, just like with the seat belt. That was the first time I encountered such practice.
Meanwhile cavsg has already been kind enough to post on the rules on taking inflight photos. -
WSAC was constructed to give RSAF a faster(and cheaper) way to get to south china sea without having to divert south and then head east. a/c take off would just need to turn for horseberg and then out to south china sea.
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Horseberg is actually called Hosba.
Just also out of curiosity, does anyone know if Sudong has an AFB too ? Apparently, I heard over the radio there is. Anyone can confirmed ?
And does anyone know, which days the Airforce do the N'day flypast rehearsal ?
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Changi East is quite big
What jets will be based there?