You'd be mad to test the Singapore fortress
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+1 -1 = 0Originally posted by meander:Actually, I believe it's possible to take out entire nations with missile attacks. Countries that are densly populated where most of the land is used (like Singapore) are particularly vulnerable. Nukes for one. If say, US goes nuts and launches 50 nukes at us. If just one nuke gets through, Singapore is gone.
Also possible is launching hundreds of long ranged missile attacks after sending in tons of bombers to take out major air-defence installations. Once the air is saturated with missiles, conventional ADA or anti-missile methods won't work anymore.
For that to happen, you must REALLY piss off some powerful country.
But the thing is, no country wants to bear to blame of genocide. Also, launching such a massive missile attack would empty their own arsenal and leave themselves vunerable. -
Hmm, I also realised that all those scholar officers are good at writing essays and theories. Everyday sit in the office type and type only. If war really broke out, donno if they can really perform with them holding high posts and huge amount of salaries.Originally posted by Theory:he was too much of a scholar-general. A great staff officer. But sometimes, something more is needed. And herein may be contained a warning for modern Singapore. -
Hi all, I'm curious as to what the typical Singaporean thinks of an Indonesia that is "managed" by Wiranto.
My curioisity stems from the fact that some of the wargamed scenarios I've dealt with here include a scenario where a martial law managed Indonesia revives Konfrontassi.
Do Singaporeans factor in a rogue Indonesia?
We always had a good relationship with the Indonesian Armed Forces since Suharto time, especially with Wiranto ( We can't say the same with their politicians ). We have cultivated good relationship with Indonesian Generals ( Wine, dine and god knows what else ) all this years. If the Golkar party helm by Wiranto wins, at least he will bring some stability to Indonesia ( Martial Law maybe) and SG will have a fren running Indonesia who we can utilise and get favors in return. Its better to have an ally down south ( dont wanna meet any kompassus ) when things hots up in north.
Indonesia with its multitude of problems would not be able to conduct a exercise similar to Konfrontassi which anyway was not a successful operation in the 60's. And if it's revived again, it will definitely be a different story coz of all the new weapons and technology available today.
In a wargame scenario, we have factored-in fighting a war with a Indonesia. And In all the simulated exercises guess who wins all the time. -
interesting point... but did it work in kosovo?Originally posted by meander:Actually, I believe it's possible to take out entire nations with missile attacks. Countries that are densly populated where most of the land is used (like Singapore) are particularly vulnerable. Nukes for one. If say, US goes nuts and launches 50 nukes at us. If just one nuke gets through, Singapore is gone.
Also possible is launching hundreds of long ranged missile attacks after sending in tons of bombers to take out major air-defence installations. Once the air is saturated with missiles, conventional ADA or anti-missile methods won't work anymore.
For that to happen, you must REALLY piss off some powerful country.
But the thing is, no country wants to bear to blame of genocide. Also, launching such a massive missile attack would empty their own arsenal and leave themselves vunerable.
planes and missiles destroy stuff, but they do not occupy and hold ground. ultimately, u need air power to dominate the battlefield, but u also need significant ground troops to actually occupy the ground and either wipe out the enemy, or force them to the negotiation tables.
nukes aside, conventional air and missile power won't work by itself.
as for nukes, the point of a conventional war is not to wipe out the enemy. and wars are never "total" in practice despite what it preached in theory by von moltke and company... -
All the hardware........let there be no doubt SAF is the best equipped and their operators are well trained on these war machines.
Software........."battle tested" and the kiasu mentally is sorely lacking.
Top echelon try to make up for this with talk about Technology, Resolve, Propaganda, giant size budgets etc
The only technology that SAF need is on Planet Kamina! -
No need 50, 1 will do. U think sg has the capability now to knock down ICBM? Unless one day we have military orbital satellites to knock them out before they reenter earth's atmosphere.Originally posted by meander:Actually, I believe it's possible to take out entire nations with missile attacks. Countries that are densly populated where most of the land is used (like Singapore) are particularly vulnerable. Nukes for one. If say, US goes nuts and launches 50 nukes at us. If just one nuke gets through, Singapore is gone.
Also the destructive power from a nuke is quite big. Wonder if johor bahru would kanna as well? -
Originally posted by cavsg:I feel the writer is correct about this point which is most important of the whole entire article. I share the same thoughts too, I have a strong distaste for the SAF, I seldom come across an officer whom I really respect but if I had to fight, I fight becos of the people whom I've know since my NSF days and whom I still see every in camp and those who have become close friends. These are the ones who are going to look after my back and trust that I look after them too in combat. Its the politicans that decides if we were to go to war, whether I agree or not, I shall not abandon a brother who his willing to shed his blood for me.
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he today that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother;
Henry V - William Shakespeare
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Using of atomic bombs???
You wouldn't know how loud I laughed at that idea.
Dudes.
Everything happens for a reason. When wars are started with nukes, it's not called a war.
Identify the purpose of the war first. -
kamina your head lah. KAMINO! land of the cloners.......yes....just need to have a big enough pocket and good manners. for more info call 1800-kamino-system. ask for extension Tua wen.Originally posted by Fairyland:All the hardware........let there be no doubt SAF is the best equipped and their operators are well trained on these war machines.
Software........."battle tested" and the kiasu mentally is sorely lacking.
Top echelon try to make up for this with talk about Technology, Resolve, Propaganda, giant size budgets etc
The only technology that SAF need is on Planet Kamina! -
heh heh thought it was kamina! Sorry.Originally posted by snk86:kamina your head lah. KAMINO! land of the cloners.......yes....just need to have a big enough pocket and good manners. for more info call 1800-kamino-system. ask for extension Tua wen.
It's been done. Small steps:
1) Genetically modified gorillas/goats/dogs to carry backpacks/ammo/batteries etc, and enhanced sensory for perimeter surveillance and detection. These animals will not have vocal cords and their brains will be tapped into a remote control PDA and so respond to cursor commands.
2) Sew into their bodies 15kg of explosives with heart beat as interlock. At least when they succumb to fire their bodies become landmines. These animals will not need food, water or sleep for 3 weeks. They will attack all without a registered RFID tag.
3) Imagine 7 men section with 7 modified tigers. Will do alot for battle confidence when you have these animals besides you.
4) Once you get all the final gene makeup right. Transplant, splice it into a human clone. -
Wah lao eh, it's just like the neodogs from the starship troopers book. No idea what i'm talking about? Maybe you should take a read.Originally posted by Fairyland:heh heh thought it was kamina! Sorry.
It's been done. Small steps:
1) Genetically modified gorillas/goats/dogs to carry backpacks/ammo/batteries etc, and enhanced sensory for perimeter surveillance and detection. These animals will not have vocal cords and their brains will be tapped into a remote control PDA and so respond to cursor commands.
2) Sew into their bodies 15kg of explosives with heart beat as interlock. At least when they succumb to fire their bodies become landmines. These animals will not need food, water or sleep for 3 weeks. They will attack all without a registered RFID tag.
3) Imagine 7 men section with 7 modified tigers. Will do alot for battle confidence when you have these animals besides you.
4) Once you get all the final gene makeup right. Transplant, splice it into a human clone. -
the average nuke has can destory 50km radius and cause damage to around 120km(50+70) out....Singapore is 42km at it's longest and something like 18km at it's widestOriginally posted by ChrisYX:No need 50, 1 will do. U think sg has the capability now to knock down ICBM? Unless one day we have military orbital satellites to knock them out before they reenter earth's atmosphere.
Also the destructive power from a nuke is quite big. Wonder if johor bahru would kanna as well?
meaning nuke us and you'd likely get Malaysia or Indonasia too.And who would want to nuke us? Certainly not the US,China or Japan or even europe.Why you might ask?Nuking us would render the straits of malacca unpassable.....and unless there is a new canal in Thailand no one would 1 that to happen!. -
MAD : Mutually Assured Destruction.
That's all that's holding back any country with nukes to use them.
Anyway here's what might happen on a day the US gets bored and launches a nuke.
http://www.stfunoob.com/media/endoftheworld.swf
Might take a while to load ... -
Originally posted by meander:MAD : Mutually Assured Destruction.
That's all that's holding back any country with nukes to use them.
Anyway here's what might happen on a day the US gets bored and launches a nuke.
http://www.stfunoob.com/media/endoftheworld.swf
Might take a while to load ... And thats IF the opposing country has the nukes to assure mutual destruction, and if so, whether they are prepared to use it.
Even if a neighbouring country has aquired a low-yield nuclear device or missile saturation, they probably won't dare launch it, considering logic still has a part to play in a potential game. A war with Singapore will involve several players, using a nuke or saturation destruction will get countries such as US heavily involved and will definately invite retaliation, the only question remains is how they might retaliate, there will be too many variables. This initial calculation will be in the minds of any general or politician who comtemplates such means of war, and possibly even deter them. -
Just like in the "Band of Brothers", Lt Dykes was essentially a scholar officer who couldn't lead man under fire, who would disappear for a long period of time rather than be with his man and battling the coldness, who saw the leading of Easy company as a next step to his promotion or a "must go through" to "clock" his time before being promoted into the staff. He was responsible for getting many Easy troopers killed including himself. How sad.Originally posted by Bochupi:Hmm, I also realised that all those scholar officers are good at writing essays and theories. Everyday sit in the office type and type only. If war really broke out, donno if they can really perform with them holding high posts and huge amount of salaries.
I am afraid SAF scholarship schemes will produce many Lts like Dykes. -
This scenario will happen in the cross straits. 500+++ ballistic missiles shall be used against Taiwan armed forces.There had also been calls to PLA to use small yield nuke against US carrier group if US intervene. It could be a threat to warn off the armericans however the possibility will be high if US forces managed to destroy much of PLA invasion forces, and mainland china's coastal cities are in danger of attacks from Taiwan n US forces.Originally posted by Jazzswing: And thats IF the opposing country has the nukes to assure mutual destruction, and if so, whether they are prepared to use it.
Even if a neighbouring country has aquired a low-yield nuclear device or missile saturation, they probably won't dare launch it, considering logic still has a part to play in a potential game. A war with Singapore will involve several players, using a nuke or saturation destruction will get countries such as US heavily involved and will definately invite retaliation, the only question remains is how they might retaliate, there will be too many variables. This initial calculation will be in the minds of any general or politician who comtemplates such means of war, and possibly even deter them. -
Thats utterly insane..To use nuclear weapons against fellow Chinese.Such is the evil nature of politics..Red China is trying to use nationalism as an excuse to finally get back at Taiwan.Any logical conclusion as to why, we'll never really know.I don't really think the minds of the greying military chiefs are working in a calm and sensible state.I'd say, you can't really trust a half-senile fella with the keys to absolute power and force.God bless us if one of the generals had been China's Head of State during the USAF EP-3 crisis on Hainan Island
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Originally posted by 5.56:This scenario will happen in the cross straits. 500+++ ballistic missiles shall be used against Taiwan armed forces.There had also been calls to PLA to use small yield nuke against US carrier group if US intervene. It could be a threat to warn off the armericans however the possibility will be high if US forces managed to destroy much of PLA invasion forces, and mainland china's coastal cities are in danger of attacks from Taiwan n US forces. Correct me if i'm wrong, but those ballistic missiles are more to add pressure to the taiwanese public rather then their military. Come to think of it, ballistic missiles are of no tactical usage unless they are armed with non-conventional munitions. If they are looking to level taiwanese cities (which i doubt they are prepared to do) why not with massive artillery or cruise missiles? Doubt PLA chiefs are irrational enough to use nukes no matter how small their yield, runs the danger of escalating a limited war to an all out one. The 500 ++ ballistic missiles are more of a show of force, symbolic.
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Dun think China would be using any missiles against Taiwan. One reason is bacause of morale values of traditional chinese another reason is the missiles is meant to be used against potential "aggressors" with as many or more nukes than them. They just want Taiwan back with them...not destroy them. Well, tt what i think coz they are all chinese after all. As for the Singapore will fall under a nuke thing... wad i'm more concerned is will these ppl who said these fight alongside with us... or dig a trench and hide in. Whatever childish comments they give doesn't mena anything. Its weather they will fight for the man next to them. Right? As long as they fight well, i dun give a damn to what they say.
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Does anybody know if US is also practicing promoting and selecting their High-ranking commander according to their education qualification or through merit?Originally posted by Joe Black:Just like in the "Band of Brothers", Lt Dykes was essentially a scholar officer who couldn't lead man under fire, who would disappear for a long period of time rather than be with his man and battling the coldness, who saw the leading of Easy company as a next step to his promotion or a "must go through" to "clock" his time before being promoted into the staff. He was responsible for getting many Easy troopers killed including himself. How sad.
I am afraid SAF scholarship schemes will produce many Lts like Dykes. -
Originally posted by damienthedevil:
Military-wise, Indonesia does not have sufficient amphibious capability to mount a Normandy on Singapore. Our Navy and Air Force will sink those few ships that can make their way to Singapore and those who manage to embark will be picked off by the Army. Of course, Indonesia knows this as well and wouldn't try this. Guess what S'pore military planners are really scared of are the airborne units of both Indonesia and Malaysia. Remember Malindo Darsasa in 1991? Guess that's our nightmare scenairo: A scene right out of WWII with paratroopers dotting the skies over Singapore. Indeed, the strength of our neigbours is in special forces, with Indonesia's Kompassus, and Wiranto's ex unit I think, regarded as the best in SEA. And our neighbours have divisions of them. Scary...
[b]Hi all, I'm curious as to what the typical Singaporean thinks of an Indonesia that is "managed" by Wiranto.
My curioisity stems from the fact that some of the wargamed scenarios I've dealt with here include a scenario where a martial law managed Indonesia revives Konfrontassi.
Do Singaporeans factor in a rogue Indonesia?
We always had a good relationship with the Indonesian Armed Forces since Suharto time, especially with Wiranto ( We can't say the same with their politicians ). We have cultivated good relationship with Indonesian Generals ( Wine, dine and god knows what else ) all this years. If the Golkar party helm by Wiranto wins, at least he will bring some stability to Indonesia ( Martial Law maybe) and SG will have a fren running Indonesia who we can utilise and get favors in return. Its better to have an ally down south ( dont wanna meet any kompassus ) when things hots up in north.
Indonesia with its multitude of problems would not be able to conduct a exercise similar to Konfrontassi which anyway was not a successful operation in the 60's. And if it's revived again, it will definitely be a different story coz of all the new weapons and technology available today.
In a wargame scenario, we have factored-in fighting a war with a Indonesia. And In all the simulated exercises guess who wins all the time.
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Political-wise, do not ever underestimate Indonesia. A strong Indonesia may seek regional hegemony e.g. Confrontation but a weak Indonesia is equally scary. Just look at the JI problem. Political-wise, our planners fear that in a weak Indonesia, a radical Islamist regime might take power and massive communal riots like those of 1965 following the failed PKI coup might erupt, spilling over into S'pore and M'sia and destabilising the region (See Huxley) However, the TNI has traditionally regarded itself as a guardian of the state and would not allow this to happen. Hence, while we may fear the Indonesian military, it also plays a very vital role in maintaing SEA security.