Warrior/soldier cultures of Asia
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Anybody have a good idea of some of the warrior/soldier cultures in Asia-Pacific?Asia defined as inclusive of Russia,Turkey and everything up to Israel.Pacific as in all countries with Pacific coasts
Can also list European ones
My list(in no particular order)
-Sikhs(the ones from Gujarat:big-sized,carry tulwar's,look intimidating,strong and tough with something akin to a warrior religion,don't fark with them!))
-Gurkhas(kukri's,tough-ass attitude,dun fark with them!)
-Malays(an old British adage:Malay's are good for soldiering + policing,proven in World War 2)
-Thais(Muay Thai,good jungle fighting,combat experienced)
-Indonesians(look at the Indonesian Army!combat-experienced,ruthless,combat efficeint Kopassus)
-Filipinos(good fighters)
-Israeli's(brothers,what u expect?these are THE guys,up there with the Gurkhas imho)
feel free to add on.I'm compiling a list I'm going to post later on this year on sgforums.Also,anybody up for a meeting?military nuts gathering? -
Are we talking just modern or does this include old culture stuff because if it does, I'd include the Maoris in.
I'd also add in the Mamelukes, slave soldiers of medieval Muslim states.
Of course we all know about the Samurai. -
japan got samurais
and the greatest of them all, the mongols under ghengis khan -
singaporeans....the best wayang soldiers..
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Well... I will add the Chinese in. In the Korean War, it was basically Red China versus the rest of the world, and they did a mighty fine job of sending the UN army reeling back. The best part is that they did so without sufficient firearms or any form of artillery at all.
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yea, but with tons of casualties. they sent hundreds of thousands of troops and thousands of them were slaughtered. mighty fine job? i dont think so....Originally posted by bot_in_shop:Well... I will add the Chinese in. In the Korean War, it was basically Red China versus the rest of the world, and they did a mighty fine job of sending the UN army reeling back. The best part is that they did so without sufficient firearms or any form of artillery at all.
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Modern and Historical warrior/soldier/martial cultures.
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they outnumbered their enemy ,had the element of surprise and yet lost something like 5 for every allied soldier killed just to retain status quo...i highly doubt you can call that good soldiering....infact i'd rank the chinese up there with the french when it comes to military....but then again they have always fought themselves rather then a common enemy so hard to say.Though when they did need to fight foreign enemies i believe they lost most of their wars?Originally posted by bot_in_shop:Well... I will add the Chinese in. In the Korean War, it was basically Red China versus the rest of the world, and they did a mighty fine job of sending the UN army reeling back. The best part is that they did so without sufficient firearms or any form of artillery at all. -
singapore army = wayang + siam arrow + abit of back stab + anything else???
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all organizations have that kinda thing...
as long as u have to think of self-interests, career advancements and $$$$, it brings out the worst in pple... -
From what I have read so far, the human wave tactics were only practiced by the Chinese forces during the last part of the Korean conflict.
My understanding is that there were generally a few good ideas that the Chinese forces practised and which influenced the Vietnamese military leaders (many of whom trained/studied under the Chinese) who fought in the Vietnam conflict.
Ideally the practice was to conduct offensives under the cover of night.
For more info, here's an old US Army study with regards to the Chinese army tactics during the Korean War.
http://members.lycos.co.uk/Indochine/vm/ctac1.htmlOriginally posted by |-|05|:they outnumbered their enemy ,had the element of surprise and yet lost something like 5 for every allied soldier killed just to retain status quo...i highly doubt you can call that good soldiering....infact i'd rank the chinese up there with the french when it comes to military....but then again they have always fought themselves rather then a common enemy so hard to say.Though when they did need to fight foreign enemies i believe they lost most of their wars? -
Allow me to retort.Originally posted by |-|05|:they outnumbered their enemy ,had the element of surprise and yet lost something like 5 for every allied soldier killed just to retain status quo...i highly doubt you can call that good soldiering....infact i'd rank the chinese up there with the french when it comes to military....but then again they have always fought themselves rather then a common enemy so hard to say.Though when they did need to fight foreign enemies i believe they lost most of their wars?
1)The element of surprise was only at the very beginning of the intervention of China in the Korean war. It was not like the war finished 3 days after China's intervention. The actual war went on for far longer than that. Besides, creating the element of surprise IS part of war strategy.
The element of surprise do not fall down from the sky.
2)Chinese soldiers did outnumber their enemies, but Chinese army had to use FAR inferior weapons. They even had NOT a single aircraft. Do you think many other armies could have achieved what they did under those circumstances? Plus they were practically up against the UN, being led by the victorious WW2 nation USA.
3)"retain status quo"? Incorrect. When the Chinese started to intervene, North Korea (NK) was ALREADY overrun by US, with the UN soldiers almost reaching the China borders with NK. Then in the ensuing battles, China managed to push the US back to the 38 line which is the border between NK and South Korea now. So the net war result after China's intervention was that US retreated the whole length of NK, from near the China-NK border back to the NK-SK border.
4)"Though when they did need to fight foreign enemies i believe they lost most of their wars?" Obviously you have not read much about history, especially China's history. If what you said really happened, there wouldn't be a China today. It is the only civilization that survived >5000 years. Throughout its 5000 years of history, China had eliminated numerous enemies that you don't hear of today because their nations were already wiped out by China. You don't hear about those Chinese heroic stories because much of the literature today is influenced by recent Western culture (at least in this part of the world). And I guess you also forgot about the Sino-Indian war and the Sino-Vietnam war.
5)Yes, China became weak, but only during this recent 200 years (out of 5000 years) of history. Even so, it still took an alliance of 8 most powerful industrialized countries at that time(USA, British, Germany, Russia, Japan, France, Spain, Portugal(?)) to subdue China in the "°Ë¹ú�¬¾ü" war.
6)Other than that, China was only overrun 2 times
during its long history: first by the Mongols and later by the Manchus. But now, both inner Mongolia and Manchou are part of China (not vise versa).
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Guys,how can u forget the vietnamese vietcong! They defeated the french (1945-1954),US(1965-1975),chinese(1978-1979) with primitive weapon! Don't u think they r great?
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Dun be off topic!
will also add to my list:
-Vietnamese(they beat the French and Americans[americans lost politically,not militarily)]
-South Koreans(they also have NS;troop training standards higher than ours.We should follow their standards and the israeli ones)
During NS,I think that while all safety precautions possible should be taken,there should be an acceptable death rate of perhaps 6%.
We have to accept death as natural.As soldiers we can be replaced. -
Dun be off topic!
will also add to my list:
-Vietnamese(they beat the French and Americans[americans lost politically,not militarily)]
-South Koreans(they also have NS;troop training standards higher than ours.We should follow their standards and the israeli ones)
During NS,I think that while all safety precautions possible should be taken,there should be an acceptable death rate of perhaps 6%.
We have to accept death as natural.Accidents during training will happen,but perhaps we can allow a certain number of casualties each year while keeping training standards high and giving more discretion to instructors,of just use the Gurkha's not only as police but also as trainers.