Dogs in SAF Infantry Orbat?
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Has anyone studied the feasibility of incorporating war dogs like Mastiffs in the SAF infantry?
Maybe each company should have a dog platoon?
Fierce!
Saliva all over the place.
May kill one of our own before they see action.... -
how abt cats and rats...
maybe a Crocodile for each platoon too
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issue crocodile underwear to each trooper.
as for dogs, hmmm.... can i have a bulldog the next time i go in-camp??Originally posted by sgboy2004:how abt cats and rats...
maybe a Crocodile for each platoon too
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Kublai Khan kept some thousands of them.
I read they were used in both world wars?
Israelis special forces used them in Lebanon.
I think they can make up for the numbers and definitely increase the aggression factor.
Maybe we can use them in larger numbers.
Is it possible to send 1000 dogs charging enemy positions?
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a la Wolfenstein 3D style ? Every trooper will have an Alsatian to tag team against enemy. No need to bayonet him anymore!Originally posted by Fairyland:Has anyone studied the feasibility of incorporating war dogs like Mastiffs in the SAF infantry?
Maybe each company should have a dog platoon?
Fierce!
Saliva all over the place.
May kill one of our own before they see action.... -
a la Wolfenstein 3D style ? Every trooper will have an Alsatian to tag team against enemy. No need to bayonet him anymore!Originally posted by Fairyland:Has anyone studied the feasibility of incorporating war dogs like Mastiffs in the SAF infantry?
Maybe each company should have a dog platoon?
Fierce!
Saliva all over the place.
May kill one of our own before they see action....
Imagine having a 1:1 ratio of man and dog in a section. If, at the section commander's order, all dogs are to sic an enemy, wat ever will become of him other than lots of momentoes for the troopers -
Giving the dog some conformal camouflaged, internal heat dissipating but externally thermal sleeved body armour, attached Camelbag of water, fabric-based ballistic headgear, and adding all-consuming dogchow in his charge's c-rations, the dog is good to go!!!Originally posted by panzerjager:a la Wolfenstein 3D style ? Every trooper will have an Alsatian to tag team against enemy. No need to bayonet him anymore!
Imagine having a 1:1 ratio of man and dog in a section. If, at the section commander's order, all dogs are to sic an enemy, wat ever will become of him other than lots of momentoes for the troopers -
Well... I remembered that dogs are being deployed during World War I or II... The Russians tied explosives to the dogs and ignited the fuze and ordered the dogs to head towards the Enemy's tanks... However the dogs actually went back to their masters (the Russians) killing their own troops... Cheers...
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Originally posted by Slee981:Well... I remembered that dogs are being deployed during World War I or II... The Russians tied explosives to the dogs and ignited the fuze and ordered the dogs to head towards the Enemy's tanks... However the dogs actually went back to their masters (the Russians) killing their own troops... Cheers... imagine e russian throwing a grenade and the dog 'fetches' it back.
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Don't they have doggie wing at SAFPU as well as war/guard dogs at air, ammo bases???
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Dogs were used in many ways during ww2, as messagers, for seeking out enemy positions and seeking out wounded allied soldiers. Don't think any dog manage to actually kill an enemy soldier, though they manage to save their handlers by attacking the enemy soldiers till they ran away or were shot. Some dogs lost their lives because of this heroic act. *respect*
The US Marines in ww2 used dogs to locate snipers, bunkers, tripmines and machine gun nest . They were very effective, none of the patrol which had a dog was ever ambushed, though there was still casualty in the ensuing firefight.
During the Vietnam war, dogs were also used in the same way. They were so effective, the North Vietnamese Army placed bounty on the dog teams, with a higher bounty for the death of the dog! -
in WWII, the russians train dogs to run underneath the on-coming tanks. initially, the put some food underneath the tanks with it stationary, and the dog will run underneath to get food.
Then they move the tanks towards the dogs and reward the dogs when they manage to run underneath the tank. later they use sound effects like machine gun fire and explosives and train the dogs to ignore such sounds.
In operation, the dogs will have explosives with a magnetic fuse on top strapped on their backs. When the fuse touches metal (underneath the tank), it will explode. The most vulnerable part of the tank is its belly. Also the dog will offer a smaller target and can run faster then a person. Most importantly the dog will have no fear of gunfire because it is conditioned to completely ignore the sound and effects of gunfire... and will charge with full force on the tank. There you have it, the ultimate sucide bomber!
Imagine you are a panzer commander or driver and through the pericsope or visor you saw two or three of these dogs running towards you!
Apparently they perform welll enough for the surviving (unused) dogs to be part of the WW2 victory parade in Moscow! -
Example of magnetic explosive used in WW2 - anti-tank mine used by German panzergrenadiers against Russian T-34s when their foxholes were over-run (in the movie Stalingrad). Notice the fear in the Germans when they were about to be crushed by tank treads.Originally posted by spencer99:in WWII, the russians train dogs to run underneath the on-coming tanks. initially, the put some food underneath the tanks with it stationary, and the dog will run underneath to get food.
Then they move the tanks towards the dogs and reward the dogs when they manage to run underneath the tank. later they use sound effects like machine gun fire and explosives and train the dogs to ignore such sounds.
In operation, the dogs will have explosives with a magnetic fuse on top strapped on their backs. When the fuse touches metal (underneath the tank), it will explode. The most vulnerable part of the tank is its belly. Also the dog will offer a smaller target and can run faster then a person. Most importantly the dog will have no fear of gunfire because it is conditioned to completely ignore the sound and effects of gunfire... and will charge with full force on the tank. There you have it, the ultimate sucide bomber!
Imagine you are a panzer commander or driver and through the pericsope or visor you saw two or three of these dogs running towards you!
Apparently they perform welll enough for the surviving (unused) dogs to be part of the WW2 victory parade in Moscow! -
You can strap a collar receiver that transmit tones to the dogs.
Eg Soldiers wearing SAF RFID tags will emit a soothing tone and dog is calm. Attack tone can drive the dog mad and attack everyone in sight.
You can use these tones to command the dogs to do other things as well. Eg activate a bomb, camera, receiver, move into ambush position, charge in certain direction or change direction.
I think today they can still be used as flanking attack given their speed and stealth. You can position, under cover, these dog packs in flanking attack.
You see a tanned young bespectacled boy soldier, skinny but super aerobic fit, carrying a super gun -> you wouldn't be that much deterred.....the soldier would also exhibit some hesitation.
But the same soldier with a huge drooling massive growling dog.....you want to stay away and this dog would probably add to the soldiers' confidence in battle.
Plus there is the bonding and sense of duty to each other as they do their NS.
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SAF employs dogs to guard important installation such as Airbases, Naval Bases, Ammo Dumps, missile depot etc.. ( SAF dog unit ) for more than 3 decades.
SAF Bomb disposal unit also utilise explosive sniffing dogs.
SAF had dog tracker teams for tracking and reccon mission in the past.
Most of the SAF dogs are breed locally and when they are young are tested and channeled for training according to their capabilities.
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there is one problem though... what if they are the duty platoon? how are they going to sweep the parade square, the drains and clear the rubbish?...
Maybe each company should have a dog platoon?
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