Which submarine for Sg?
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First Fuel Cell Submarine for Export Launched at HDW
(Source: HDW; issued Apr. 22, 2004)
Under the name Papanikolis, today Evangelia Vassiliki launched the first fuel cell submarine for export from Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft AG (HDW) in Kiel.
The submarine, with the construction number 361, is a 214 Class submarine and has been built for the Greek Navy.
The HDW group is building a total of four of these submarines for the Greek Navy. Of these, the first vessel is being built in Kiel and the subsequent vessels will be built at the HDW subsidiary company Hellenic Shipyards in Greece. The submarines are scheduled for delivery between 2005 and 2010.
The 214 Class of submarines is based on the successful construction principles of the 209 Class submarine, of which HDW have built more than 60 since 1960. It was improved by incorporating the innovations of the 212A Class submarine, principally the unique air-independent fuel cell propulsion system. This provides extremely increased underwater endurance. The minimized acoustic, thermal and magnetic signatures of the submarine provide an unbeatable degree of undetectability. Increased diving depth and overall efficiency provide new operational advantages.
The vessel, with a displacement of 1,700 tons, is 65 meters long and is manned by a crew of 27. The propulsion is provided by a Siemens Permasyn engine which draws its power supply either from the fuel cells or from batteries which are fed by a diesel generator. Its armament consists of eight torpedo tubes. The vessel has an integrated sonar and weapons control system for navigation and for deployment in active military operations. The principal tasks of the vessel are reconnaissance, interception and surveillance. It is also capable of being deployed against surface vessels and submarines, for covert operations and for mine laying.
I vote for Gemany Type 214 and Sweden Viking. -
German Type 214.Germans have a good submarine tradition,and you can't really go wrong with German technology.
Or the Scorpene. -
And the Navy can buy a few of these to shuttle VIPs around for wayang sessions.
http://deepflight.com/subs/index.htm
Anyone interested in going for their flight schools?
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Ferret69, that is not enough for VIPs !!!
Got more expensive ones ! Try this one
http://www.ussubs.com/submarines/phoenix_1000.php3 -
Niiiiice! But it wouldn't have that overall visceral feel of "flying" underwater as the previous one. Still, let me check if I haven't already maxed out my credit cards and get one of these babies you pointed out.
Any chance I can jimmy-rig a homebuilt torpedo into one of these? Would be nice to have the yatchs along the local marinas as practice targets.Originally posted by storywolf:Ferret69, that is not enough for VIPs !!!
Got more expensive ones ! Try this one
http://www.ussubs.com/submarines/phoenix_1000.php3 -
it must cost a bomb for the MiG flights... *looks at his wallet* *shakes head* unless someone sponsors me...Originally posted by ferret69:And the Navy can buy a few of these to shuttle VIPs around for wayang sessions.
http://deepflight.com/subs/index.htm
Anyone interested in going for their flight schools?
http://deepflight.com/flight/index.htm
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Kilo or Typhoon Class?
Hehe, just kiddin'.
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seawolf class....
maybe we should DIY.....
Originally posted by ditzy:Kilo or Typhoon Class?
Hehe, just kiddin'. -
How many you think Sg should get? I think 4 is a gd number.
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i'm not sure much many is enough.
maybe 6? 2 can patrol either sides up north, 2 on either side of sing?Originally posted by cutebug:How many you think Sg should get? I think 4 is a gd number. -
i dont think typhoon is suitable for our shallow waters...
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Yes babyOriginally posted by foga:seawolf class....
maybe we should DIY.....
I was just thinking of seawolf when I saw your post 
Add some topedos and anti- aircraft guns
Thinking of WW2 wolf-pack style :> -
I think a nice number would be 10-12.
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RSN is still small in the world aspect. It will not own so many submarine, unless you are talking plus the 4 old ships. Submarine are not super, it have it own serious weakness.Originally posted by Shotgun:I think a nice number would be 10-12.
I think 3-5 will be a nice number for Sg. -
The submersibles as mentioned by ferret69 looks really good and excellent for leisure but what about using them for covert NDU inflitration missions?
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I think for real NDU type missions, they are best filled by the likes of Russian midget subs like the Piranha classOriginally posted by tankee1981:The submersibles as mentioned by ferret69 looks really good and excellent for leisure but what about using them for covert NDU inflitration missions?
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/row/rus/865.htm -
perhaps gotland class? or agosta?
honestly i think our sjoormen are good enough presently although they are considered quite old...
submarines adds additional options for commanders in naval warfare, i think the sjoormen are good currently... if sg are going to gets new subs, hopefully it will able to launch sub-surface to surface missile probably Harpoon UGM.... -
Good...something like a skimmer/wave-rider SDV equipped with barrage weapons for discharging guided mines in port would be goodOriginally posted by tankee1981:The submersibles as mentioned by ferret69 looks really good and excellent for leisure but what about using them for covert NDU inflitration missions? -
Even though the current second hand submarines purchased from Sweden is considered old, i don't think that the equipment within the hull is old as well. This is because the extensive works have been carried out on these submarines before they are handed over to the RSN. The official works are termed as tropicalisation, which means to make the subs suitable to the local warm tropical waters. I am quite sure that other upgrades are also involved. This is due to the trend that Singapore will almost always upgrade second- hand equipment from other countries. Examples are the M113,A-4 Skyhawk,AMX-13. Since it will be more convenient to train the naval personnel with the new equipment than with the old one at the country where upgrades are being carried out, therefore i believed that only the hulls of the subs are old not the internal components.
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errr....well the sound proofing is in the hull....but then again the waters here is too bloody noisyOriginally posted by tankee1981:Even though the current second hand submarines purchased from Sweden is considered old, i don't think that the equipment within the hull is old as well. This is because the extensive works have been carried out on these submarines before they are handed over to the RSN. The official works are termed as tropicalisation, which means to make the subs suitable to the local warm tropical waters. I am quite sure that other upgrades are also involved. This is due to the trend that Singapore will almost always upgrade second- hand equipment from other countries. Examples are the M113,A-4 Skyhawk,AMX-13. Since it will be more convenient to train the naval personnel with the new equipment than with the old one at the country where upgrades are being carried out, therefore i believed that only the hulls of the subs are old not the internal components. -
Just learnt most recently that even though Challenger was the lead boat, it is the 2nd boat Conqueror that is the first fighting boat for the navy instead...why is this so...Originally posted by |-|05|:errr....well the sound proofing is in the hull....but then again the waters here is too bloody noisy -
i dun think there are any significant issues regarding whether which 1 comes operational first... As long as we got them coming...Originally posted by panzerjager:Just learnt most recently that even though Challenger was the lead boat, it is the 2nd boat Conqueror that is the first fighting boat for the navy instead...why is this so... -
Challanger was used for training crews if i remember correctlyOriginally posted by panzerjager:Just learnt most recently that even though Challenger was the lead boat, it is the 2nd boat Conqueror that is the first fighting boat for the navy instead...why is this so... -
We shud get a batch of small 5-7 man mini subs, like the plastic kind that the north koreans use.
The region we are in: singapore malaysia indonesia are full of small reefs, submerged and unsubmerged atolls and islands.
A wolf pack of these stealthy 'un-pingable' minisubs can hide easily in these places and cause a lot of shipping havoc to any would be aggressor.
These subs can also carry 'limpet' mines and ferry naval specialist...