poly batch better than jc batch during bmt??
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well..they say poly recruits have more initiative and less complains whereas jc recruits tend to "wayang" alot n lots of complains...wonder whether is it becoz of the different education system that makes poly recruits more independent
I think most JC guys are really pampered, man!
in camp or in civilian clothes... JC students esp the guys.. very gu niang
As a former JC student, the last 2 quotes irritated me especially. It's statements, and topics like this that keep fueling the JC vs Poly debate. Then it detoriates into a flame war.
What if I start saying "poly students are not as smart as JC students because most poly students cannot qualify for JC"?
Following that i can make another statement saying "poly students not smart enough to wayang to get into OCS. Never ask question coz they're not smart enough to think of one. Their own problem."
They are sweeping statements that starts flaming in threads. The statements in italics are just examples to make my point and are not my personal beliefs (hey I have friends on polys too). I have no desire to turn this into another thread like "NS sucks" that goes on for 9 pages.
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Actually i believe it is because JC student enter NS at the age of 18 while Poly students do it at the age of 20-24 so they are older and well so called wiser....?
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mabbe?Originally posted by |-|05|:Actually i believe it is because JC student enter NS at the age of 18 while Poly students do it at the age of 20-24 so they are older and well so called wiser....?
but as i mentioned, all these observations r jus observations and personal opinions. if u wan to ascertain the claims, then go and do a comprehensive study. else the statements will jus remain as unsubstantiated generalisations. -
Ask any instructor, its true, poly batch usually less whiny, dun keng or complain as much as JC batch ppl. I have many frens who are instructors in BMT who have made the same comments to me.
While it doesnt apply to everyone, some JC guys do perform better than poly guys but from my experience its the exception rather than the rule.
Heck even my brother and my platoon mates who are from JCs themselves say JC batch very problematic. -
well to sidetrack, there are some vocations in the saf that only poly grads can go and jc can never ever go.
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care to share? or is it classified?Originally posted by cavsg:well to sidetrack, there are some vocations in the saf that only poly grads can go and jc can never ever go. -
nope its not classified, there are technicians positions in the army and airforce. these are simple jobs that require shorter training than reg technicians. you cannot get 'air' level guys to do it cos they don't have a engineering background. Thus those who did not study mech and ee in poly don't qualify too.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:care to share? or is it classified?
there were nsf techs in the rsaf in a-4s, f-5s, uh-1h, as550, heard that they are starting it on the as332 also. not sure if they still have it now in the f-16s. there are some that service ground equipment too. knn, still can remember an rsaf officer that came to my bmt and lied to everyone when he was asked if rsaf got nsf tech or not cos he was doing recruitment. some poor chaps believed him and sign up.
army guys end up as mechanics to service the vehicles. i got 2 frens who end up as army techs.
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I ever encounter 2 Jc batch soldiers qurrelling over who should carry an extra empty plastic bottle during topo ex. in Lancer.
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JC and Poly will never get along. I'm from a Poly and basically I think that those instructors from JC are real f***ed up. Just because they are from JC and have some stupid rank, they will always want to have the authority above you. And I don't have common things to talk to JC people, because basically, our education system are very different from them and from what I know, they supposed to ask alot of questions during their studies and maybe that's how they ask question for every single thing. Besides, like what someone said, most of them are younger than the poly people and that's why, less mature.
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dun extrapolate ur experience to the rest of the population.Originally posted by kindaichi83:JC and Poly will never get along. I'm from a Poly and basically I think that those instructors from JC are real f***ed up. Just because they are from JC and have some stupid rank, they will always want to have the authority above you. And I don't have common things to talk to JC people, because basically, our education system are very different from them and from what I know, they supposed to ask alot of questions during their studies and maybe that's how they ask question for every single thing. Besides, like what someone said, most of them are younger than the poly people and that's why, less mature.
i was from jc, but i went to a poly batch bmt - in fact i was the ONLY jc / uni recruit in the entire batch. and i got along well wif my bmt mates.
subsequently went to a poly batch occ, and again i got along well with my mates. even though i ord-ed stil kept in touch wif some closer friends. -
i'm a hokkien peng.....must agreed jc man...relli complain n complain n complain...not like us not happy with the officer just say lah... scared kanna tekan den dun complain lor..dun in front of them act like beri good behind their back cry father cry mother...do a bit of things like a piece of their flesh will fall off...so wat u can go ocs if fr jc but can u chiong or not?? seen officers who fainted while leading a charge up slope ...sigh this is wat ocs produce ar... c'mon lah if jc ppl become man like us....they r like gu niang...also dunno y...ask them they think we going to beat them up all siam... we all go through the same training leh...
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Is it true that jc ppl have more chances to go into places like intelligence? 
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ehhhhh... not yet, they're thinking about it. due to the 'success' of the UH-1H techs...Originally posted by cavsg:nope its not classified, there are technicians positions in the army and airforce. these are simple jobs that require shorter training than reg technicians. you cannot get 'air' level guys to do it cos they don't have a engineering background. Thus those who did not study mech and ee in poly don't qualify too.
there were nsf techs in the rsaf in a-4s, f-5s, uh-1h, as550, heard that they are starting it on the as332 also. not sure if they still have it now in the f-16s. there are some that service ground equipment too. knn, still can remember an rsaf officer that came to my bmt and lied to everyone when he was asked if rsaf got nsf tech or not cos he was doing recruitment. some poor chaps believed him and sign up.
army guys end up as mechanics to service the vehicles. i got 2 frens who end up as army techs.
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not trueOriginally posted by Jazzswing: Is it true that jc ppl have more chances to go into places like intelligence? 
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personally, i just feel that its the individual's upbringing.
Why JC students seem to b|tch more is because majority want to go to the university, majority want to start work after uni, and majority feel NS is a waste of time because it slows them down. Either that or its the parents' upbringing of the child.
Why poly students don't seem to b|tch as much, because majority plan to start work. Because they don't just stop at 'A' levels, they know that the diploma can at least get them a job outside. Once again it is also the upbringing of the child.
Speaking of upbringing, its just that most JC students (not all) are in a way 'controlled' by their parents. There are independant ones, but seriously, just look at most of them. They are either pampered, still living in the comfort zone. I wouldn't say polytechnics are not guilty of producing brats like these.
Its just the upbringing, u can have a A level student who is really down to earth, mixed with the lower education crowd, go to serve NS, become an officer, yet have the specialists aura around him.
Or you can have a poly student, who has been psychoed by the education system and the parents that career and money is number one in life, thus leaving the kid to think he is lagging behind in the rat race due to NS, and be a complete gu niang during NS.
Its not the education... its the person. Education i would say can only provide a certain yet not that accurate demographic on their upbringing. -
hmm hmm.....Originally posted by kopiosatu:personally, i just feel that its the individual's upbringing.
Why JC students seem to b|tch more is because majority want to go to the university, majority want to start work after uni, and majority feel NS is a waste of time because it slows them down. Either that or its the parents' upbringing of the child.
Why poly students don't seem to b|tch as much, because majority plan to start work. Because they don't just stop at 'A' levels, they know that the diploma can at least get them a job outside. Once again it is also the upbringing of the child.
Speaking of upbringing, its just that most JC students (not all) are in a way 'controlled' by their parents. There are independant ones, but seriously, just look at most of them. They are either pampered, still living in the comfort zone. I wouldn't say polytechnics are not guilty of producing brats like these.
Its just the upbringing, u can have a A level student who is really down to earth, mixed with the lower education crowd, go to serve NS, become an officer, yet have the specialists aura around him.
Or you can have a poly student, who has been psychoed by the education system and the parents that career and money is number one in life, thus leaving the kid to think he is lagging behind in the rat race due to NS, and be a complete gu niang during NS.
Its not the education... its the person. Education i would say can only provide a certain yet not that accurate demographic on their upbringing. -
Your point doesnt make any sense, for poly students this 2.5 yrs deprive us of alot of income and make us slower than our female counterparts. Worse of all, all our training and knowledge is stagnated by 2.5 years, we have to relearn alot of things.Originally posted by kopiosatu:personally, i just feel that its the individual's upbringing.
Why JC students seem to b|tch more is because majority want to go to the university, majority want to start work after uni, and majority feel NS is a waste of time because it slows them down. Either that or its the parents' upbringing of the child.
Why poly students don't seem to b|tch as much, because majority plan to start work. Because they don't just stop at 'A' levels, they know that the diploma can at least get them a job outside. Once again it is also the upbringing of the child.
As a result, after we ord, we have to work very hard to catch up.
IMHO I feel this 2.5 yrs affect poly guys more then JC guys.
Education shapes the person, how a person is taught will affect his thoughts and action. I agree that most JC guys are less indepedent and i feel its a product of the system they are put thru. In Poly you are given alot of freedom to learn and to plan your own time, lecturerers dun spoonfeed you, as a result poly students are usually more independent.
Speaking of upbringing, its just that most JC students (not all) are in a way 'controlled' by their parents. There are independant ones, but seriously, just look at most of them. They are either pampered, still living in the comfort zone. I wouldn't say polytechnics are not guilty of producing brats like these.
Its just the upbringing, u can have a A level student who is really down to earth, mixed with the lower education crowd, go to serve NS, become an officer, yet have the specialists aura around him.
Or you can have a poly student, who has been psychoed by the education system and the parents that career and money is number one in life, thus leaving the kid to think he is lagging behind in the rat race due to NS, and be a complete gu niang during NS.
Its not the education... its the person. Education i would say can only provide a certain yet not that accurate demographic on their upbringing.
Most poly students are more streetwise and mature, alot of JC guys I see still think like kids. -
Not really true, my platoon got alot of JC guys, my understudy also all JC batch. Its true that JC guys and Poly guys think differently, in the beginning it was very hard to communicate with them but as we got to know each other some of us became firm friends.Originally posted by kindaichi83:JC and Poly will never get along. I'm from a Poly and basically I think that those instructors from JC are real f***ed up. Just because they are from JC and have some stupid rank, they will always want to have the authority above you. And I don't have common things to talk to JC people, because basically, our education system are very different from them and from what I know, they supposed to ask alot of questions during their studies and maybe that's how they ask question for every single thing. Besides, like what someone said, most of them are younger than the poly people and that's why, less mature.
But wat you say abt them asking questions is right, but the questions they ask are damn stupid and pointless most of the time, the more keng ones always give ridiculous excuse to siam work. It can be damn irritating at times. -
Just to add - my experience in bmt was with JC guys...I can agree that we tend to complain but I think the amount was normal. During SAFINCOs, I was with both JC and Poly, same during SIgnals training - later we all got posted to the same unit.
Conclusion, we started off abit different - our perspectives and thinking were different but slowly after time, it didn't really matter if we were from poly or jc - you mix with those who you are ok with and distance yourself from those you can't get along i.e. their personality not whether they were from JC or poly.
As for geng kings and wayang - some of the poly guys that I knew (not a generalization) were blody gengsters - dun want to do work always giving farking excuses. Some were damn solid - if we had any problem with equipment, just go to them and they can troubleshoot it.
Same for the JC guys - some you utterly want to strangle cos they just dun want to work. *especially my juniors - hated their bitchy stupid crap ways. Some were fine - you do your job I do mine.
At the end, I think that there are differences in the way we think and see things but at the end, we are all in the same boat and those little differences doesn't make that big a impact after all. -
... for poly students this 2.5 yrs deprive us of alot of income and make us slower than our female counterparts. Worse of all, all our training and knowledge is stagnated by 2.5 years, we have to relearn alot of things.
NS affects all equally whether poly and jc guys.
As a result, after we ord, we have to work very hard to catch up.
IMHO I feel this 2.5 yrs affect poly guys more then JC guys.
You compare lost income with poly gals. JC guys can compare likewise with JC gals? After JC guys complete their NS, JC gals complete uni. So while the guys study, the gals earn income. Where's their (the guys) lost income?
You compare stagnated training/knowledge, JC guys also in same situation? None of us have superb memory to remember stuff 2.5 years ago. You might not be able to adjust to working life and get fired, likewise JC guys might not be able to adjust to study life and just screw up that degree.Education shapes the person, how a person is taught will affect his thoughts and action. I agree that most JC guys are less indepedent and i feel its a product of the system they are put thru. In Poly you are given alot of freedom to learn and to plan your own time, lecturerers dun spoonfeed you, as a result poly students are usually more independent.
I've never been to a poly so i can't comment on the system there, but I don't understand why all poly students think JC peeps are "spoonfed" with information from teachers/lecturers. What gives poly students that idea? Have they all actually been to a JC before? From what I know, the biggest difference is that in poly you can plan your time-table, while in JC they have fixed timetables. But does it matter that much?
I'm curious, in the poly do you poly students buy all the textbooks and then self-study? Is that what you all mean by " non-spoonfeeding " ? In any case, I'm in the uni now and i don't see much of a difference b/w the JC and uni system besides the timetable issue. It's all about lectures and tutorials, only that the uni has way larger crowds in lectures.
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In the end all the misconceptions and underlying hate between poly/JC students stem from different education systems. JC students tend to sterotype poly students and vice versa.
Like how some JC students think poly students are stupid. With reference to the China dude who complained in the forums about how singaporeans are stupid, lazy and immature, some pro-JC-anti-poly people just said "That's coz he's in a poly what." Likewise, some poly students also label the JC people with the same "lazy stupid and immature" tag.
JC and poly are both probably full of "lazy, stupid, immature and stuckup people", but students from both institutions tend to notice those from the other (instituition) more for some reason.
Having said that, no matter your fellow officer/spec/man came from the JC or poly or "bo tak cheh", chances are that once you all suffer through the same BS enough, you will get along someday and become pals. But if after all that crap you still hate that person, chances are that he's an a**hole everyone else hates too. -
Stop and think for a minute, poly grads are supposed to join the work force after they ORD whereas JC students go on to uni to get their degree, even if they forget a few things they can pick it up during the first year in uni which is for building foundation anyway. Whats there to compare, poly grads are supposed to enter the workforce after their knowledge and skills are stagnated and forgotten, do you know how difficult is espscially for those in technical disciplines? Even if a JC guy forgets everything he learns, what he learns in uni may be different from wat he has learned in JC.
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funny....what makes you think that after poly grads ord.... they will join the workforce....
i am from the poly batch, many of my friends @80%-90% further their studies.... some of my a levels men actually did not go to uni..... so i think your argument is flawed. -
My brother is in a top JC, many of my army mates are from top JCs, hell my cousin is the top student in the top JC. My conclusion was based on comments from them tho i admit that JCs produce some really deep thinkers, on some nights in camp we would have debates until 3~4am
As for the buying textbook and studying yourself part, that is only partly true, we are not required to buy textbooks, just have to get hold of them by hook or by crook. I dun want to go into specifics, just know that the poly i was in adopted a problem based learning methodology, you can find more info on it on the net if you want to know more.
As for uni being the same as JC, I've wondered if you have spoke to frens studying overseas eg, US UK Oz etc... -
I started this topic not to fuel JC vs Poly flare but rather juz wanna hear out from u guys wat u tink of it because ironically my instructors friends were from jc themselves and they generally agreeOriginally posted by meander:As a former JC student, the last 2 quotes irritated me especially. It's statements, and topics like this that keep fueling the JC vs Poly debate. Then it detoriates into a flame war.