poly batch better than jc batch during bmt??
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Overall, yes, poly batch is better than alevel batch bcos im an instructor during ns and i have seen the difference. But there is always some very good and very bad recruits in any batches, so it just boils down to individual..
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80%~90% wow that amazing, in my batch of trainees, out of 120+ I only know of ard 20~30 who went on to study full time, out of my class of 24 only 4 went to study full-time and thats including the 2 foreign students in my class. Out of all of my poly frens only a handful went on to study full time.Originally posted by kanzer:funny....what makes you think that after poly grads ord.... they will join the workforce....
i am from the poly batch, many of my friends @80%-90% further their studies.... some of my a levels men actually did not go to uni..... so i think your argument is flawed.
80~90% is exaggeration la, got quite alot go on to further sudies full time but most ppl that i know are taking part-time courses while working either part-time or full-time. I believe the number of poly students that go on to further studies full time are many but the number who join the workforce are as many or imo even more, anyone have any statistics?
As for a-level who dun further studies, im not sure of the number but i think its the exception rather than the rule. My only man who couldnt make it into uni retook his a-levels and managed to get a place the last i've heard. -
think about it. u are behind, but u have something which qualifies u to go out there and get a jobOriginally posted by mg79:Your point doesnt make any sense, for poly students this 2.5 yrs deprive us of alot of income and make us slower than our female counterparts. Worse of all, all our training and knowledge is stagnated by 2.5 years, we have to relearn alot of things.
As a result, after we ord, we have to work very hard to catch up.
IMHO I feel this 2.5 yrs affect poly guys more then JC guys.
What do the A level kids have? They are in the army just looking forward to spend another 3-5yrs in education after they ORD
who gets affected more, depends on the individual, its the stupid way singaporean kids are brought up that they just whine about anything, poly OR jc -
If you think that the piece of paper can qualify you to go out there and get a job, I have nothing more to say.
If I had a choice I would have enlisted after O-Levels and enrolled in poly after I ORDed, I wun mind having to study for another 3 years after ORD at least I would be equipped with viable,marketable and up to date skills.
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Ok my last post on this topic, everyone is entitled to his own opinion, one thing is for sure whining abt NS wun change things, but at least when u complain you can let off some steam rite? All sg men have to serve, all are equally affected by it, but if you go into it with a positive attitude, it will be all right. Just have some advice for O-level ppl who intend to go poly, if the timing is right, its worth considering enlisting first then apply for poly when u ORD. -
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well, i guess poly batch are much more matured compare to the jc batch which result in certain quality where poly batch outshine the jc batch.
anyway, both batches have their fresh n rotton apples grp of trainee. -
... poly grads are supposed to join the work force after they ORD whereas JC students go on to uni to get their degree, even if they forget a few things they can pick it up during the first year in uni ... poly grads are supposed to enter the workforce after their knowledge and skills are stagnated and forgotten, do you know how difficult is espscially for those in technical disciplines? Even if a JC guy forgets everything he learns, what he learns in uni may be different from wat he has learned in JC.
After not using your brain for 2 years, picking up knowledge is not as easy as you think. Far from it. As JC students slowly pick up the habits of studying once again, poly students can pick up working techniques on the job once again. I hardly think bosses would be that hard on somebody fresh out of NS and new on the job. Moreover, I think don't think you will apply much of whatever you learnt in poly on the job, it's more likely you learn new things on the job. Lecturers on the other hand aren't that forgiving. You take your time to pick up disciplines, but in exams you either pass, or you fail and repeat, wasting a LOT of money in the process.
As for the buying textbook and studying yourself part, that is only partly true, we are not required to buy textbooks, just have to get hold of them by hook or by crook. I dun want to go into specifics, just know that the poly i was in adopted a problem based learning methodology, you can find more info on it on the net if you want to know more.
I fail to see any relavance. My point was that poly students seem to think the JC system is spoonfeeding the students. Since they've never been to one, how can they judge?
As for uni being the same as JC, I've wondered if you have spoke to frens studying overseas eg, US UK Oz etc...
I have quite a few friends in overseas unis. I fail to see any relevance again. If you're thinking overseas unis and your poly have superior teaching methods compared to local unis, I don't think that's the case. I haven't been to the poly so I can't comment. If you haven't been to a local uni, I don't think you can make an objective comment.
In any case, this is the wrong thread and forum for for a poly VS JC dedate. We're all losing track off the topic
which is "poly batch better than jc batch during bmt??"
During BMT yes. Poly batch in BMT is undeniably more mature in thinking because your youngest poly graduate is 19, with the average being 20 when they enter NS, while most JC students are 18 when they enter. So the poly students have a 1-2 year headstart. And even when the JC batch become instructors, they might be of the same age as the poly recuits. -
Beyond BMT, as a former OCS instructor of both Poly and JC trainees I would definitely say Poly grads perform better on average as combat troops than JC grads. I myself was a top school JC grad, trained by Poly batch officers.
Poly trainess are, on average, more fit, mentally tougher, better endurance, better field skills, better ground command and control, better with equipment. HOWEVER, JC grads are able to think outside of the box better, have more potential for command and staff appointments, better presenters and better communicators. -
JC students are able to think out of the box? Hmm it looks like the A level system is not as bad as some people might say.Originally posted by Unsung_Hero:Beyond BMT, as a former OCS instructor of both Poly and JC trainees I would definitely say Poly grads perform better on average as combat troops than JC grads. I myself was a top school JC grad, trained by Poly batch officers.
Poly trainess are, on average, more fit, mentally tougher, better endurance, better field skills, better ground command and control, better with equipment. HOWEVER, JC grads are able to think outside of the box better, have more potential for command and staff appointments, better presenters and better communicators. -
i think that the ability to think out of the box is inherent. either u've got it, or u dont. nth to do with the education...Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:JC students are able to think out of the box? Hmm it looks like the A level system is not as bad as some people might say.
anyway, i hate the A level system. argh! -
its called creativity, and creativity can be coached - with varying degrees of success o cos.Originally posted by Groovee:i think that the ability to think out of the box is inherent. either u've got it, or u dont. nth to do with the education...
anyway, i hate the A level system. argh! -
Guess it would depend on the type of ppl JC/Poly instructors take in their course of work...
Just my 50cents worth:
I see that the JC batch has 2 types of extremes:
(1) The hardworking and will do anything for you w/o complains, w/o asking for time off etc
(2) The pampered, want to defer from BMT, want more off/long weekends, everyday cant see them in the workplace as they are in some other place...
For the first category, they are as good as the average poly ppl. Poly ppl tend to be ppl who are more mature and actually give useful inputs to the work you do in their opinion, and if you WERE to solicit information on how to improve something better, they are the ones to ask because they tend to be more vocal and will say what they are thinking. On the other hand, JC ppl do not, or rather they may not want to say so much, just wanna get out of 2 1/2 yrs of army life and start studying....
But of course, poly ppl tend to be a little 'fren' 'fren' with you, so sometimes it would tend to cross the line :p -
hmm...i guess u muz have been an instructor in bmtc b4...Originally posted by deathscythe99:Guess it would depend on the type of ppl JC/Poly instructors take in their course of work...
Just my 50cents worth:
I see that the JC batch has 2 types of extremes:
(1) The hardworking and will do anything for you w/o complains, w/o asking for time off etc
(2) The pampered, want to defer from BMT, want more off/long weekends, everyday cant see them in the workplace as they are in some other place...
For the first category, they are as good as the average poly ppl. Poly ppl tend to be ppl who are more mature and actually give useful inputs to the work you do in their opinion, and if you WERE to solicit information on how to improve something better, they are the ones to ask because they tend to be more vocal and will say what they are thinking. On the other hand, JC ppl do not, or rather they may not want to say so much, just wanna get out of 2 1/2 yrs of army life and start studying....
But of course, poly ppl tend to be a little 'fren' 'fren' with you, so sometimes it would tend to cross the line :p -
Well...not exactly, but close enuf... -
Originally posted by deathscythe99:
Well...not exactly, but close enuf...
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I was ITD instructor from 1985 to 1987. Trained scholar batch, obese batch, Poly batch and everything in-between. I even taught boy scouts from some 10+ years. Differences between the batches is evident, Poly batch are more worldy wise, A-Levels are weaker and haven't got a clue. What counts is can they be soliders?Originally posted by Unsung_Hero:Beyond BMT, as a former OCS instructor of both Poly and JC trainees I would definitely say Poly grads perform better on average as combat troops than JC grads. I myself was a top school JC grad, trained by Poly batch officers.
Poly trainess are, on average, more fit, mentally tougher, better endurance, better field skills, better ground command and control, better with equipment. HOWEVER, JC grads are able to think outside of the box better, have more potential for command and staff appointments, better presenters and better communicators.
I have a friend who went OOC on second to last week of OCS, why? because he was too independent. Even though he was a President Scout etc. What the SAF needs is people to do the job, not arm-chair generals etc.
A mother once had a chat on the MRT with me as I was returning from my in-camp in uniform. "My son is good with computers and has some experience with programming. Will he be posted to do something like that during his NSF?"
Sorry mum! SAF game plan, fill out your building blocks , i.e. infantry battalion with whatever fit warm bodies you get. With the minimum number of riflemen, some officers to lead them, enuff NCOs to get the rabble pointing their weapons the correct direction, a CO to take the heat, a CSM to shout at you (dare you cross his parade square without his permission) we have a SIR.
Add the support arms like tin cans (armour), the noisy fellas (Arty), Singtel (signals), pusedo thai construction workers (engineers) etc etc. You have you basic combined arms division.
We need an army to hold the ground. Maybe some who take the vertical taxi to work (guards), or those who do silly things like jumping out of a particularly good working aricraft (cdo) adds some color with their multi color barets during the NDP.
Anyway I digress, no difference between the Air levels or the Poly pots that would matter cause what the SAF needs is sufficient fear and desperation not to f##k up (and do weekend guard duty) to maintain a credible fighting force.
Myself, I prefer the Hokkien Peng, Tamil Tigers and Malay silat exponents who populate my platoon anytime cause when the s**t hits the fan and the flag goes up the pole, only the man on your left and right matter (just make sure he is not behind you with a loaded weapon and the safety off, I have had my fair share of misfires; courtesy of the platoon fumble king who is in my section). Whatever your experience, wait till you do your third in-camp, thats when you realize that these clowns will be in the same foxhole when it comes down to the crunch.
(no offence to those easily miffed about being the pride of the SAF etc, we are all cannon fodder if any unit loses it when it counts) -
Originally posted by ditzy:Yea, now we're talkin'... Imagine having someone like Ayukat under your wing. No pun intended, but it just gives me the shudders. brrrr...
