Is it feasible for the RSAF to have Spectre Gunships?
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Hi,was just doing some research.But,anyone have any opinions or comments if the RSAF should include Spectre Gunships in their arsernal?Given the fact that the conflickts these days take place in urban areas.And it is to provide a form of ground support for the troops and vehicles on the ground,Spectres can be called in to unleash their,105mm guns,40mm guns,or even the 7.62mm miniguns.Its literally a flying orbiting piece of artillery which can hold off enemy ground troops indefinitely and yet take out buildings which enemy troops are occupied in.
Please do feel free to add your comments and remarks.Thanks
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its basically a C130 with lots of guns sticking out one side...
i think the apaches can do a similar job... no point in such over-kill...
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Actually is both sides got weapons stickin out.
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ya helis would do a better job. more manuveurability.
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so bulky... buy helicopter better mah
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helicopters cannot match the loiter time and the amount of ammunition carried by the Spectre
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I think it would be a fabulous idea. But after I've watched a firepower demonstration of that thing on live subjects, and if that thing is used on Singapore, confirm gurantee plus 2 chops bo chun.
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The aircraft is so big and slow,a big live target for SAM.This aircraft proven only in afganistan against those rogue with no modern equipment!
Do we need this aircraft for the what ops? -
even if rsaf want to modify one for it, it has to go thru us approval, if they had approve it, the brits and nato would have gotten it long ago.
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No, its only on one side, the left (port) side. The concept of the gunship was borne out of the Vietnam war, where a slow-flying aircraft will circle a spot in a 30 degree (IIRC) angle of bank with guns firing out of the side. Theoretically, if the angle of bank is maintained, it'll be able to fire on the same spot to provide continuous fire support.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Actually is both sides got weapons stickin out.
It not feasible for RSAF, while the firepower is amazing, it will require outright air supeiority to use. It is also terribly vulnerable, as demonstrated in Desert Storm, when one AC-130 with 14 crew was lost after it stayed in the AO after the break of dawn and was shot down by a SAM. -
we don't have that kind of manpower, thats for sure.....
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that plane gives new meaning to the term "airborne artillery" , considering it has one howitzer in the back...
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ooh. spookies. anyway, if we're gonna run helis like e apaches, we might as well run spookies too. since they fly at a much higher altitude, they're less susceptible to ground fire like helis. and e noise signature is lower to. whats not to like?
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less susceptible to gound fire??? u never heard of SAM?Originally posted by Groovee:ooh. spookies. anyway, if we're gonna run helis like e apaches, we might as well run spookies too. since they fly at a much higher altitude, they're less susceptible to ground fire like helis. and e noise signature is lower to. whats not to like? -
Spooky is the AC-47 based on the C-47 Dakota. The AC-130 is known as the SpectreOriginally posted by Groovee:ooh. spookies. anyway, if we're gonna run helis like e apaches, we might as well run spookies too. since they fly at a much higher altitude, they're less susceptible to ground fire like helis. and e noise signature is lower to. whats not to like?
As CX has said, an AC-130 IS very susceptible to ground fire. Read up on Spirit 03's loss during the battle of Khafji during Desert Storm and you'll see what I meant when I said you need complete air dominance to operate the Spectres safely. -
sorry, sidetreak a little, is the A-10 thunderbolt(or warthogs, i forgot, would be nice if someone corrects) of any relation the the spectre gunship? and is flying the thunderblot easier then the standard F-16 eagles or harder? and which have more risk involve? thx.......
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Well if Singapore did not have one or 2 yet, think they should seriously consider getting one or 2.
Yep one of the spectre may have been shot down, the only reason is it was, the folks was too gung-ho, they wanted more target stay on till dawn which broke rules.
Let be fair, even a F16 or Apache heli, if it is going to fly around in circle in dawn, it will be shot down too. It only reflect wrong usage.If air-superiority is not gain, even Apache heli or any other bomber planes will be shoot down also.
Spectre is a c130 gunship for night operation with different chains guns, cannons even up to 155 type. It have the staying power unlike heli, and it can shoot usually way highup away from small arms, with precision. -
Actually, its not what they wanted, its that they were needed. Had they really been gung-ho and risked a multi-million dollar aircraft without a better reason than wanting plink a few more Iraqi tanks, the entire crew would have got their collective asses in the shitterOriginally posted by storywolf:Well if Singapore did not have one or 2 yet, think they should seriously consider getting one or 2.
Yep one of the spectre may have been shot down, the only reason is it was, the folks was too gung-ho, they wanted more target stay on till dawn which broke rules.
Spectre is a c130 gunship for night operation with different chains guns, cannons even up to 155 type. It have the staying power unlike heli, and it can shoot usually way highup away from small arms, with precision.At 0600 hours on the morning of January 31, "Spirit 03" was the last of three AC-130 Spectre gunships on station to provide close air support for the embattled Marines on the ground. Spirit 03 was due to end its patrol when it received a call from the Marines - they needed an enemy missile battery destroyed. Despite the risk of anti-aircrarft artillery fire, and the greater danger of the morning sun casting light on the circling gunship, the crew of "Spirit 03" chose to remain and destroy the position requested.
Link: Battle of Khafji and Spirit 03's shootdown
Soon after eliminating the target designated by the Marines, a lone Iraqi hoisted an SA-7 "Grail" manportable surface-to-air missile to his shoulder. In the dawn of the early morning light, the form of the large AC-130 slowly became visible in the skies over Khafji. The decision to remain behind to support the Marines cost the pilots and crew of Spirit 03 their best defensive weapon - darkness. The Iraqi pointed the weapon at the aircraft, and fired. The missile found its target and at 0635 hours the aircraft sent out a "mayday" distress call and then crashed into the waters of the Persian Gulf. All 14 crewmembers were killed.
Its a useful thing to have no doubt, but not if your enemy has anything remotely like half-decent AD oppostion around that is able to keep your own side from achieving complete air dominance. -
Thunderbolt is the official name, everyone else uses Warthog or Hog to call the A-10...Originally posted by snk86:sorry, sidetreak a little, is the A-10 thunderbolt(or warthogs, i forgot, would be nice if someone corrects) of any relation the the spectre gunship? and is flying the thunderblot easier then the standard F-16 eagles or harder? and which have more risk involve? thx.......
Well, the only relation they have are that they are used for ground support. The AC-130 is a gunship with weapons firing out of the side, the A-10 is more conventional (if you can call it that) ground support aircraft which fires missile and drops bombs while its cannons fire forward.
The flying part, you'll have to ask the pilots! -
hey.. they built the gun, then they built the plane around that damned huge mother of a gun firing 30mm DU penetrators...
supposedly able to fly home with half it's wing blown off and it's tail shot to ribbons and one engine back at the battlefield
i ain't arguing with anything that can do thatOriginally posted by Viper52:Thunderbolt is the official name, everyone else uses Warthog or Hog to call the A-10...
Well, the only relation they have are that they are used for ground support. The AC-130 is a gunship with weapons firing out of the side, the A-10 is more conventional (if you can call it that) ground support aircraft which fires missile and drops bombs while its cannons fire forward.
The flying part, you'll have to ask the pilots! -
A Spectre gunship provides the fire power of a Divsion of riflemen.
Would be a force mulitplier for the Army in the grunt short SAF. -
Actually,the thing here is comparing the Spectre and A-10 Warthog,it all depends on the mission role it is on.I will not deny the fact that Warthogs are superb in tank-busting and bunker busting,but we have to bare in mind the fact that the guided missiles on board is accurate to 6 ft.However a 105mm gun in the Spectre which can do an equally good job at takin out buildings,bunker busting and busting light armoured vehicles read LIGHT ARMOURED VEHICLES like APCs,IFVs,not MBTS or tank busting,the Spectre can deleiver spot-on accurate fire.Thats why its use its commonly limited to the SpecWar community.And correct me if I'm wrong,only the US uses this so called "Aerial Artillery" such as Spooky from the Vietnam Era to the Spectre currently still in service.
The choice of a Spectre over a chopper can be asnwered anytime due to th fact that a chopper's endurance over the combat area is limited.While the Spectre can be refueled in mid-air and can carry a substantial amount of ordance in the air.Think about it,how many Hellfire missiles and 30mm rounds can a Apache carry?For ground suppression,it can carry only 16 Hellfires,and 1,200 30mm rounds.And take the A-10 Warthog for example,yes sure it can get the job done.But is the pilot able to deliever accurate 30mm fire on a single pass moving low and fast?I bet not,and though it can be refeulled in mid-air,however it cannot carry the same amount of ordance.Thus,the RSAF should form a of Squardon of Spectres as it will really scare the balls of any aggressor once they witness the hard-hitting fire power which can tear buildings apart. -
man, after firing, there's gonna be lotsa maintenance to do.
all the parts would wear off earlier -
Ah... one aircraft grunts learn to appreciate. History dates back to the Vietnam War and the good'ol "Puff the Magic Dragon".
As it is said before, grunts love them but for the crew, its is hell because they know they are vunerable.
Spectre is set to get even more deadlier. Its replacement is supposed to recieve a COIL laser unit. Talk abt firepower.
But this is classified as a heavy offensive unit. No way our political leadership will buy them and it does not fit into SAF doctrine.
