Can UAV carry out search and rescue mission,can it carry out UW warfare? I think the Navy Helo is for new frigate.Originally posted by tripwire:they should have dumped the helos and go for the UAVs instead...
naval ver of the pumaOriginally posted by kopiosatu:AS332C?
i dont think the SAR mission figures high on the RSN agenda for the helo... but if the UAV can spot the survivals... the FFG probably can try to reach them... and bring them out of water...Originally posted by zenden9:Can UAV carry out search and rescue mission,can it carry out UW warfare? I think the Navy Helo is for new frigate.
If talking abt 4 to 5 survivor,a chopper can quickly pick them up! A chopper can attain a speed of 100 knots while a normal ship can travel only at 30 knots. You wouldn't want to let the survivor to wait ,right!Originally posted by tripwire:i dont think the SAR mission figures high on the RSN agenda for the helo... but if the UAV can spot the survivals... the FFG probably can try to reach them... and bring them out of water...
now... these USV would complement the UAV or UCAV nicely....
http://www.radixmarine.com/PDFs/USV%20Market%20Study.pdf
you can even load it with AShM or Torps...
you can even load afew such USVs on a single FFG... and use them to pirana the enemy, provide advance surface search... blah blah blah...![]()
Originally posted by storywolf:The reason for the heli for our new navy frigate is :
1) Provide over the horizon radar coverage. Using the heli radar or add on side mount or below mount radar, it enable the frigate to detect or engage targets that is further then what its own radar can detect ( beyond enemy range) very important in sea aspect.UAV also can... depending on size, specification.. it probably can provide better enemy detection then helos can at a fraction of a helo's cost and no need pilot..
even many present days armies around the world are going for UAV rather then helos to do the scouting and forward search plus destroy.
2) Use as a sub hunter, heli have proven to be one of the best counter sub platform for sonar and weapon. It can search more areas then ship.proven!? well... please tell me.. how many subs has the helos sunk around the world eversince helos starts to be used for ASW....
furthermore... a USV can also be converted into sub hunters...
3) Provide additional weapon platform. It can carry anti-ship and anti-sub weapons.you never heard of UCAV har? do you know that USV can also carry missiles and torps...
What u mention may be valid but at the end of day RSN is going to buy a helo and not listening to yr expert advice to get a UAV!Originally posted by tripwire:
and how much does your torpedo weighs??Originally posted by zenden9:What u mention may be valid but at the end of day RSN is going to buy a helo and not listening to yr expert advice to get a UAV!
Basically,no Helo UAV can handle the weight of 2 anti-submarine torpedo and a dipping sonar! I suggest Super-Lynx as the best naval helo contender ! Small for the Frigate helo deck and lethal in its armament!
Ok! Tell me the spartan USV has ever carry torpedo or sea skua to destroy any enemy before! I tell u one thing SAR is one of the top priorites in RSN.Courageous incident show how helo is crucial in SAR operations,we can afford to let the casualties wait for yr ship to come,is it? Our frigate is coming out next year and we cannot afford to experience with those USV crap! Yes,the USV may perfect that things in a few years times but can our navy afford to wait?Originally posted by tripwire:and how much does your torpedo weighs??
the spartan USV can carry up to 5000lbs of payload...
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2003/12/mil-031208-navsea03.htm
heres the spartan configured for ASW for the enterprise CVG.
did the lafayette sink any ships?? but then we still buy what....Originally posted by zenden9:Ok! Tell me the spartan USV has ever carry torpedo or sea skua to destroy any enemy before! I tell u one thing SAR is one of the top priorites in RSN.Courageous incident show how helo is crucial in SAR operations,we can afford to let the casualties wait for yr ship to come,is it? Our frigate is coming out next year and we cannot afford to experience with those USV crap! Yes,the USV may perfect that things in a few years times but can our navy afford to wait?
Pls provide some sensible suggestion! I believe u r not a kid!
yeah... besides, SAR is meant more for the airforce. If the navy starts doing SAR, then it would give them more work.Originally posted by tripwire:did the lafayette sink any ships?? but then we still buy what....
moreover... the last formidable ship wont be out for quite afew years... why the rush to put choppers on the first frigate now?? we going to war soon?
as for SAR... its not top priority ok...
It is a work that RSN is already taking! Courageous incident who will go and do the job? The navy and airforce,right! So u r saying we shall let airforce handle all the courageous SAR!Originally posted by kopiosatu:yeah... besides, SAR is meant more for the airforce. If the navy starts doing SAR, then it would give them more work.
anyway our SAR is quite effective already.
RSN is not taking heli ops for SAR. RSAF is.Originally posted by zenden9:It is a work that RSN is already taking! Courageous incident who will go and do the job? The navy and airforce,right! So u r saying we shall let airforce handle all the courageous SAR!
Lafayette is a frigate with its ASW,anti-ship warfare ,AAW concept proven!Originally posted by tripwire:did the lafayette sink any ships?? but then we still buy what....
moreover... the last formidable ship wont be out for quite afew years... why the rush to put choppers on the first frigate now?? we going to war soon?
as for SAR... its not top priority ok...
highest chance would be RSAF would attach SAR duty personnel to its frigate...Originally posted by cavsg:let me clarify the RSAF & RSN requirements
The RSAF is looking for a helicopter to replace the UH-1H
The RSN needs a helicopter for its frigates
The idea helo will need to meet both requirements, thats why a UAV is out. RSAF is looking for a troop transport helo.
RSN requires a helo for surface search, asw, sar, ship to ship transport and boarding other ships. A UAV cannot do that.
The current naval UAV out there is still pretty limited in usage. Mainly sensors without weapons. In future, the delta frigates may have one on board but that will not replace but complement its helo. The power requirements for RSN sensors is too demanding for any UAV now. We have been operating UAVs for twenty years yet they are still used for survillance. UAV is the future but SAF is looking for one that serve alot of purposes which UAV cannot meet.
more likely the choppers would have been called into action to help remove ppl on the boat.Especially when it get's too dangerous for another ship to pull along side.....in bad weather or something.And having a chopper hover over head to pick up ppl is way way fast then having a bloody ship pull alongsideOriginally posted by tripwire:with respect to the courageous incident... considering the manner the ship was hit and the crew died... i doubt any of the girls could be saved even if a SAR helo is right on top of courageous PV during the incident..
in such incidents... generally... deaths comes very quickly (drowning especially)... and for serious injuries.. which include uncontrolled bleeding or unconsciousness.. death is but mere minutes away depending on the rate the blood is being lost.