Queries about first ICT
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Hi,
I will be going in for my first ICT (4 days) soon,
and I have some queries that I hope someone will answer.
1. Do I need to bring all my Army items into camp? Eg: Duffel bag, SBO, helmet etc? Btw the SAF100 state that I have to be in Full Uniform.
2. What is "Phase Date". The reason for the ICT is stated as that.
3. Can someone tell me what to expect during this 4 days of training?
I would appreciate any help with my queries.
Thks in advance. -
Report in uniform with full battle order( SBO, helmet......). Have a hair cut and do not dye yr hair. During these fews days u will do section and company training depending on the time table and your unit. If i am not wrong, i have chemical warfare training during my frist ICT.
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I hope I don't sound silly, but do I need to wear them into camp, or will I be allowed to changed into them when I arrived?
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seems like these queries always comes up when a person goes for his ICT for the first time. why cant the units be more proactive and disseminate the required info? hm..
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u'd report to camp in smart 4. (not long 4)Originally posted by rotary79:I hope I don't sound silly, but do I need to wear them into camp, or will I be allowed to changed into them when I arrived?
dont wear your mouldy boots. make sure u shave and have a proper hair cut.
First incamp, they usually demand a lot of discipline -
How months around did you ORD?
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dun play play, wear ur smart 4 in cos they will check one...Originally posted by rotary79:I hope I don't sound silly, but do I need to wear them into camp, or will I be allowed to changed into them when I arrived? -
How months around did you ORD?
5 years is more like it. My army kits have mostly decomposed. SBO is literally rusted to dust. The metal rings and bars broke when I tug them. My boots and helmet are still functional and I can still fit into the fatigue pants, amazing.
I think I should cut my hair again. just cut it last week, but realised that my sideburn is slightly passed the middle segment of the ear.
This is a new unit I'm being posted to, 23SA. No one told me, but I think I'm a gunner cos that's is what everyone say.
Oh BTW, can I bring my Nike track shoes in? The Army New Balance shoes is already torn. -
You can kit-exchange your SBO, helmet and fullpack when you are back in camp. However, that depends on the arrangement that your unit RQ has made.Originally posted by rotary79:5 years is more like it. My army kits have mostly decomposed. SBO is literally rusted to dust. The metal rings and bars broke when I tug them. My boots and helmet are still functional and I can still fit into the fatigue pants, amazing.
I think I should cut my hair again. just cut it last week, but realised that my sideburn is slightly passed the middle segment of the ear.
This is a new unit I'm being posted to, 23SA. No one told me, but I think I'm a gunner cos that's is what everyone say.
Oh BTW, can I bring my Nike track shoes in? The Army New Balance shoes is already torn.
As for the rest of the items, you have to buy from e-mart using your credit. Rem your password.
You can bring any track shoes, they dun really bother.
RSM will be at the in-pro, so better have a decent haircut, polish ur boots and report in smart-4. -
Hey I ORDed the same time as you... But I have'nt been called up for ICT yet, but had my mobilization date which is on this week but I have a business trip to attend in Shanghai so I got a deferment.Originally posted by rotary79:5 years is more like it. My army kits have mostly decomposed. SBO is literally rusted to dust. The metal rings and bars broke when I tug them. My boots and helmet are still functional and I can still fit into the fatigue pants, amazing.
I think I should cut my hair again. just cut it last week, but realised that my sideburn is slightly passed the middle segment of the ear.
This is a new unit I'm being posted to, 23SA. No one told me, but I think I'm a gunner cos that's is what everyone say.
Oh BTW, can I bring my Nike track shoes in? The Army New Balance shoes is already torn.
I was from Infantry, was a sect com. I bump into my men and they all ask me sargent when you coming for ICT, I say, I never see my 100s how to go!
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wah..rotting Army item..
i think 1st time ICT they allow u to kit exchange..if not lan lan pay by cash...credit where got enough... -
I think differs from unit to unit, my ex unit did include additional letter to brief them what to bring, what to report in, how to get to camp, etc. Saves alot of uncessary phone calls from NSMenOriginally posted by wuming78:seems like these queries always comes up when a person goes for his ICT for the first time. why cant the units be more proactive and disseminate the required info? hm.. -
I give a breif one:-
1.) Don't need to bring duffel bag one (but I am suprise you keep one! As this item now requires you to return back to QM when your ORD)
Things to bring back:-
(Basically, just like going for a trip)
a.) Your Army uniforms set. This includes, No.4, army socks, PT socks, jockey cap(if you have), beret (some units must have for parades) How many sets you have, bring back.
b.) PT attire
c.) Underwear
d.) PT shoes, slippers
e.) Toiletries.
f.) Others (such as some shorts, t-shirts,etc)
2.) Not sure about "Phase Date" though. Typo?
3.) 1st ICT training varies from unit to unit. So this will be up to your CO.
Basically, when you reach camp, there will be signs on where to go.
Report in you No.4. Proceed to the Inprocess counter, after which you will be told which coy to report to and proceed to the coy holding area.
Your head (be it PC, PS, etc) will bring you to your bunks to put your brang brang. After which, there is usually a parade, followed by a speech by your CO briefing you want to exepect in your ICT.
The rest of the day will be up to the training schedule. Some I see are lobo on the first day, draw arms, do some cleaning up, go emart. Some go into training immediately. So depends on your unit.
The above is what I call In-sync, which means you come back with your unit. There are also out-of-sync ICT where you come back as a small group or alone to do some prep work, or become the RSM slaves, etc. -
Don't need to bring duffel bag one (but I am suprise you keep one! As this item now requires you to return back to QM when your ORD)
I don't know why, they didn't take it back from me and several of my other unit mates when we ORD.
But if I don't use the duffel bag, I wouldn't have enough space in my fullpack for the SBO and helmet. The SBO itself would have taken up the entire bag. I hope I don't look stupid being the only one to bring a duffel bag in. Why did the Army changed my vocation?
No it's not Typo. It is "Phase Date".
Another thing, the SAF100 state that ICT will end on Saturday 23:59. Does that mean we can book out at 13:00, or does it really mean book out at the ungodly hour of 23:59? -
Up to you on the duffel bag, but most reservist improvise. They ususally pack their full-pack then carry an extra bag. Helmet hang on full-pack. I seldom see reservist carry duffel bag in.Originally posted by rotary79:I don't know why, they didn't take it back from me and several of my other unit mates when we ORD.
But if I don't use the duffel bag, I wouldn't have enough space in my fullpack for the SBO and helmet. The SBO itself would have taken up the entire bag. I hope I don't look stupid being the only one to bring a duffel bag in. Why did the Army changed my vocation?
No it's not Typo. It is "Phase Date".
Another thing, the SAF100 state that ICT will end on Saturday 23:59. Does that mean we can book out at 13:00, or does it really mean book out at the ungodly hour of 23:59?
If you have a car, even better, place those heavy items in your car first, when the bunk settle then carry in.
Haha, nope you are not going to bookout at 23:59. Usually on the last day, people move very fast (this is the time where NSMen is at the most efficient!
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The faster everything settle, can outprocess early. So it applies, if anyone do things very quickly and settle everything(i.e. return store,etc). Outprocess can be very early. If you drag, haha, I know some CO, who "dun lan" with the attitude of his men (drag and drag and drag) purposely delay until 10pm then outprocess. -
Bring a civilian bag for your personal stuff. If you drive, lagi best. Leave the SBO and helmet in the car until they are required.Originally posted by rotary79:I don't know why, they didn't take it back from me and several of my other unit mates when we ORD.
But if I don't use the duffel bag, I wouldn't have enough space in my fullpack for the SBO and helmet. The SBO itself would have taken up the entire bag. I hope I don't look stupid being the only one to bring a duffel bag in. Why did the Army changed my vocation?
No it's not Typo. It is "Phase Date".
Another thing, the SAF100 state that ICT will end on Saturday 23:59. Does that mean we can book out at 13:00, or does it really mean book out at the ungodly hour of 23:59?
Dun worri about the 2359 thingy, it is standard in all SAF100.
By the way, ICT end on Sat doesn't mean go book oout at 1300, it depends on the out-pro activities (handover bunks, stores, armstoke). -
Looks like I'm a bit late with my reponse, but here's a perspective from an Arty reservist anyway. I finished my 13-year cycle back in '01.
Yes, it's prudent to report with wearing your fullpack (helmet, SBO) & carrying a civilian bag (PT attire, personal equipment), though bring along an extra #4 set too (in lieu if booking out in a stinky uniform). FYI No need for a "standard pack" yet unless you have to do standby (in later ICTs); your unit will be issuing footpowder/kiwi/toiletpaper, T-loaning out ponchos/groundsheets/shoebrushes, & also collecting money to finance a BN fund for mealboxes/F&N syrup/makan for future CO functions, etc.
Dump your barang in your car boot, or tompang with someone's on arrival. Much depends on which group you're reporting with, & I think this relates to the "phase date" you're referring to; we didn't have such phrases in my time. FYI My unit was split into 3, of which 2 groups come in either 4-7 days earlier (key personnel, S1 cell, etc. to prepare everything) or 3-5 days earlier (mostly technical people to attend refresher classes/training & sit for tests). There's no formal morning/last parades at this stage, hence some flexibility with booking in-out (with officers' tacit permission, natch).
The last group is the main body itself, & you won't necessarily get a bunk immediately if you report with them. That's cuz the 1st day is usually busy with administrative & logistical stuff. So even as the various reservist i/c's scutter about taking over stores/rooms/vehicles/etc., the rest of you are liable to hang out in the canteen - all day!
The process will become more efficient, though. By my 6th-8th ICT, everyone knew their jobs so well that we cut down the preparatory logistics to just 2 periods (10am-12noon) & the main body could move out for field training in the afternoon & run an IPPT in the evening! Better yet, most everyone would've built an informal contact network with the "early arrivals" after a couple of ICTs, to learn what the training programme is (esp. IPPT schedules!) & what to prepare for/when to bring in our barang. That must've contributed to cutting down our "high key" ICTS from 21+ days to around 14 as any.
My unit always made it a point to allow book-outs on the 1st day - even during a very-tightly finetuned ICT schedule - as a nod for everyone to bring in last-minute stuff that was needed. As for discipline, the other camp people (inc. RSMs) will usually leave the reservists alone &, remember, your unit RSM has his own operational duties too (i/c of the regimental police) to stereotypically boss people around.
There's no need to march point-to-point but, of course, long/dyed hair & wearing slippers (usually during 6am drawing of rifles) can get your asses chewed off.
If anyone's to pull rank, it's usually the respective junior officers & junior sergeant majors - but more to set a tone (if it was SAF regulars who took charge during the NSF days) & to ensure everyone respect the hierarchy (you'll probably befriend them enough by the 3rd ICT to call them by appointment rather than "sir"). IMHO It's very much a citizen army in the reserves, with a high level of cooperation & a can-do spirit. -
Hi everyone,
Just want to say a big thank you to all, for your quick and helpful replies.
Honestly when I posted my queries here, I didn't expect more than 1 to reply, and certainly didn't anticipate the level of details, some of you have taken the trouble to type down. I am so grateful for all the help. Thank you all.
Just in case some of you want to know, I had completed the ICT last Saturday. The "Phase Date" was as described by Moxie. It's callback in phases, with specs being called back 3 days before us.
The first day of ICT was not really that strict cos our RSM was rather nice. But luckily I took many of your advices to cut my hair before going in. RSM actually hired a barber to cut NSMen hair that are too long. Guys with dyed hair were shaved. I also didn't become the only guy with duffel bag cos I brought a civi bag.
There were a lot of waiting around in the first day due to administrative matters, and we only got our bunks after lunch. BTW there were no area cleaning throughout the ICT. But we still kept the bunk clean before booking out.
Fortunately we have very nice Sergents and BC. The BC gives us Nights Off when possible, even Book Out during the last two days. The other Batteries didn't have such privilege. That's why even though I had a fever, I still attended the Field Training, cos I really hate to be out of course and sent to a different unit/vocation.
The only thing that sucks during the ICT was the IPPT. I pass but didn't get any money from the Govt.
It was overall a rather enjoyable ICT, playing with the big guns and all. Didn't thought that I would actually look forward to next year ICT. -
Originally posted by rotary79:
Rotary79 you still have a period of at least 3 months to retake your IPPT again and at least get a silver/gold. All it takes is just a 3hrs of your time to make $200/$400. Just call or go online to book a IPPT slot at your nearest IPPT location. Just give yourself a month to train once a week running and stretching... you should at least get a silver.
Hi everyone,
Just want to say a big thank you to all, for your quick and helpful replies.
Honestly when I posted my queries here, I didn't expect more than 1 to reply, and certainly didn't anticipate the level of details, some of you have taken the trouble to type down. I am so grateful for all the help. Thank you all.
Just in case some of you want to know, I had completed the ICT last Saturday. The "Phase Date" was as described by [b]Moxie. It's callback in phases, with specs being called back 3 days before us.
The first day of ICT was not really that strict cos our RSM was rather nice. But luckily I took many of your advices to cut my hair before going in. RSM actually hired a barber to cut NSMen hair that are too long. Guys with dyed hair were shaved. I also didn't become the only guy with duffel bag.
There were a lot of waiting around in the first day due to administrative matters, and we only got our bunks after lunch. BTW there were no area cleaning throughout the ICT. But we still kept the bunk clean before booking out.
Fortunately we have very nice Sergents and BC. The BC gives us Nights Off when possible, even Book Out during the last two days. The other Batteries didn't have such privilege. That's why even though I had a fever, I still attended the Field Training, cos I really hate to be out of course and sent to a different unit/vocation.
The only thing that sucks during the ICT was the IPPT. I pass but didn't get any money from the Govt.
It was overall a rather enjoyable ICT, playing with the big guns and all. Didn't thought that I would actually look forward to next year ICT.[/b] -
Best wishes, Rotary79, from a fellow "gunner".
BTW You won't be seeing the unit RSM as yet, except for muster parades. I know this, cuz I served with the BN Recce & Survey group & the RSM people usually follow us in field training.
I believe your base is Khatib Camp; it was either that or Amoy Quee Camp during my time. Arty reservists usually chope 4 areas there - the garage side, the canteen, & the bunks or (when no bunks) the stadium grandstand seats. The officers &, when permitted, the NCOs get to enjoy the air con in their respective messes, of course.
"Argh" (befriend) with your assigned group; you guys can "take cover" together as long as whoever's the i/c is contactable by whoever's higher in the "other rank" chain of command - that's NSmen for you! [Some of us were sneaking out of camp for lunch during the downtime, like maintainence days].
Stay away from the School of Arty side, & note too if they're concurrently conducting a OCS course - the camp is usually more "on the ball" if they do.
BTW You can use the swimming pool - true! ~lol~