will get a lot of people in trouble.Originally posted by Slywong:During ICT is the best, trainer will close 1 eye one.
If you and the trainer are very Ar-Ka-Liao, close 2 eyes also can.![]()
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how about 2.4km? can cheat also?Originally posted by Slywong:During ICT is the best, trainer will close 1 eye one.
If you and the trainer are very Ar-Ka-Liao, close 2 eyes also can.![]()
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Not really cheat. Just that you have a chance to run on the camp route as opposed to 6 rounds around stadium track, since not every ICT camp has stadium facilities.Originally posted by The Hobbit:how about 2.4km? can cheat also?
2.4km also relax? i heard they had a stopwatch..Originally posted by tspg:Take during ICT is the best. You get a lot of encouragement from your buddies. i think standards more lax also :-)
thanksOriginally posted by Moxie:The refereeing standards used to vary in the past, then got fairly serious once monetary rewards come into the picture. It used to be that the 2.4km was the be-all, but nowadays you can't chin-chye with the chinups & such stations anymore. Outside PTIs, rather than unit officers, conduct the tests during ICTs too.
I agree that, on the whole, taking them during ICTs is the best means; the morale tends to be very beneficial, esp. for borderline passers. As far as I know, it's often the only means as well; as my RSM used to loudly emphasize, only ICT IPPTs are officially recognized & everything else in the same workyear "don't count!"
how may 2.4 they need to run for the rt? 4 rounds?Originally posted by Moxie:Well, if it helps I did the majority of my ICTs at Khabib, & I've seen the evening IPPTs & RTs there being conducted over different formats through the years (inc. the electronic-tag thing). The chinups & other stations were always held in the auditorium, while they've alternatively used the stadium track & the camp perimeter for the 2.4.
I suppose it's down on whether you like circuit runs (6 times around the stadium track) better than a straigher route (with its accompanying "slopes" & all for momentum purposes). Prior familiarity with the latter course - eg. if you've been posted there or have done your RT there - can also be psychologically beneficial, in the sense that you won't be tackling the 2.4 "blind". In fact, I believe that's partly why they readjusted the RT programme sometime in the mid-90s, that instead of getting the individual attendees to just do run repeatedly round the track, they had the PTIs leading fairly big groups around the perimeter instead. I dunno if they've reverted back since ...
Originally posted by Moxie:thanks alot
[b]how may 2.4 they need to run for the rt? 4 rounds?
I dunno; never kena RT before myself. My guess is to expect to cover up to 5-6 km in each session, except instead of, say, half a hour they stretched it out to 90 minutes or more. I don't sense the runs to be very fatigueing, though; what I saw, up to '01, was either:
(a) endless - unsupervised? - circuit runs around the stadium track, pretty meandering stuff broken only be occasional whistling from a "master" PTI which called for everyone to sprint across the field & back;
(b) PTI-led "orientation" runs around the camp, whence the BMT-style tricks are employed: en masse speed up/slow down, touching each other's backs to close gaps, having the back-marker sprint to the front, etc.
The thing is, everyone's very progressively structured & constantly finetuned now. The horror stories of log PTs & running with fullpacks or medicine balls had already ended when I was doing my ICTs, & the latest revision even cut the RT program down from 12 weeks to 8, with currently 4 weeks/twice-weekly of physical conditioning (to build up basic fitness) & another 4 weeks/thrice-weekly of physical "toughening" (more intensive exercises). I even saw many SAFRA-type gym equipment & treadmills in the Khatib auditorium!
The main negative of all these is, I heard, they now utilized the full exercise period - which means you won't be released until past 9 pm on weekdays. Khatib's back door (to Khatib MRT) closes after 8 &, I heard also, outofbounds to RT participants nowadays, which means a long wait along Sembawang Road for Bus 171 to Yishun Central if you don't drive. [/b]
yes they do but are the standards the same?Originally posted by tspg:Last time i heard they conduct at safra gym? Maybe its easier for you to pass there.