RSN Expansion ieas
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What do u guys think abt the expansion of RSN capabilities and range,to prepare for possible containment of China hegemony and expansionism in the South China Sea as well as expand our sphere of operations further?
I think that perhaps we could do with an extra squadron of 6 stealth frigates,4-6 extra subs in the form of the Scorpene or new Viking-class by Sweden,and a squadron of Kongo-class Destroyers,which we can buy from Japan.
We certainly have the financial resources to deploy and maintain these assets,and we could reduce and minimise possible manpower problems through heavy automation like the Deltas.
to make up for possible manpower problems throughout the army as a whole,we can look at utilising British methods,such as hiring foreign nationals with the promise of citizenship after perhaps a 10-15 year contract or duty tour with the armed forces from Commonwealth countries,such as Pakistan,India and Nepal.this would definitely expand our manpower base,help to solve our population problems to an extent by granting these contracted soldiers citizenship(if the government is willing to allow the South Asian population to grow,which they should),and they would be relatively loyal,as British history can attest to,where they used sepoys and gurkhas as well as pathan soldiery in maintaining the peace in their colonies such as Singapore.
furthermore,their loyalty would be less questionable as the interests of their countries of origin and their cultures would not be threatened,and Singapore would provide a relatively decent place for them to base their families.eventually,after their service,they could retain their citizenship or residency while returning to their countries of origin and promoting enlistment in our forces as a possible career path,as ex-Gurkhas do in Nepal.
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gurkhas go back after their service is over, very selected few could and would stay as PR....Originally posted by Sardaukar:What do u guys think abt the expansion of RSN capabilities and range,to prepare for possible containment of China hegemony and expansionism in the South China Sea as well as expand our sphere of operations further?
I think that perhaps we could do with an extra squadron of 6 stealth frigates,4-6 extra subs in the form of the Scorpene or new Viking-class by Sweden,and a squadron of Kongo-class Destroyers,which we can buy from Japan.
We certainly have the financial resources to deploy and maintain these assets,and we could reduce and minimise possible manpower problems through heavy automation like the Deltas.
to make up for possible manpower problems throughout the army as a whole,we can look at utilising British methods,such as hiring foreign nationals with the promise of citizenship after perhaps a 10-15 year contract or duty tour with the armed forces from Commonwealth countries,such as Pakistan,India and Nepal.this would definitely expand our manpower base,help to solve our population problems to an extent by granting these contracted soldiers citizenship(if the government is willing to allow the South Asian population to grow,which they should),and they would be relatively loyal,as British history can attest to,where they used sepoys and gurkhas as well as pathan soldiery in maintaining the peace in their colonies such as Singapore.
furthermore,their loyalty would be less questionable as the interests of their countries of origin and their cultures would not be threatened,and Singapore would provide a relatively decent place for them to base their families.eventually,after their service,they could retain their citizenship or residency while returning to their countries of origin and promoting enlistment in our forces as a possible career path,as ex-Gurkhas do in Nepal.
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Overdraft liaoz...next few years of GDP still must pay for the 6 stealth frigates and 20 helis and the...2billion NGF programme and DSTA scientists don't come free.. In a WAR, nepalese soldiers have more likelihood of running away cause this isn't thier country lol..Originally posted by Sardaukar:What do u guys think abt the expansion of RSN capabilities and range,to prepare for possible containment of China hegemony and expansionism in the South China Sea as well as expand our sphere of operations further?
I think that perhaps we could do with an extra squadron of 6 stealth frigates,4-6 extra subs in the form of the Scorpene or new Viking-class by Sweden,and a squadron of Kongo-class Destroyers,which we can buy from Japan.
We certainly have the financial resources to deploy and maintain these assets,and we could reduce and minimise possible manpower problems through heavy automation like the Deltas.
to make up for possible manpower problems throughout the army as a whole,we can look at utilising British methods,such as hiring foreign nationals with the promise of citizenship after perhaps a 10-15 year contract or duty tour with the armed forces from Commonwealth countries,such as Pakistan,India and Nepal.this would definitely expand our manpower base,help to solve our population problems to an extent by granting these contracted soldiers citizenship(if the government is willing to allow the South Asian population to grow,which they should),and they would be relatively loyal,as British history can attest to,where they used sepoys and gurkhas as well as pathan soldiery in maintaining the peace in their colonies such as Singapore.
furthermore,their loyalty would be less questionable as the interests of their countries of origin and their cultures would not be threatened,and Singapore would provide a relatively decent place for them to base their families.eventually,after their service,they could retain their citizenship or residency while returning to their countries of origin and promoting enlistment in our forces as a possible career path,as ex-Gurkhas do in Nepal.
any ideas and opinions to contribute?
Just think what if the POTENTIAL aggresor paid these gurkhas money to turn against us? Don't forget they are mercenaries and if you got money anything goes..
12 Stealth Frigates and 4 heavily upgraded kockhums subs and some 2 AWACs and P3-Orions with anti sub capabilities should be able to knock off china's sovereignmy's class of ships , unless they fire a nuclear missile at our fleet lol,, we need Visby class of stealth ships..and with the KC-135 we should be able to use the NGF which is deployed with Air-land missiles harpoon anti ship missiles or some sorta of exocet on the incoming destroyers from southern china...
6 frigates not enuf =X
i think that we should get 12 frigates and heavily modify the current gunboat we got..the armor is too light..should upgrade to composite plastics like those used in F-117 and equip them with SSBN lol.. den its like Gulf war
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Dont be naive as to think that china would launch an invasion erasing the thread from the presence of USA and NATO in mind. The combine attack by Nato forces on Mainland China can crippled HER. Maybe you can count how many aircraft carrier / Aircrafts are there in the NATO. Afterall, they are the armed guardian of the earth.Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:Overdraft liaoz...next few years of GDP still must pay for the 6 stealth frigates and 20 helis and the...2billion NGF programme and DSTA scientists don't come free.. In a WAR, nepalese soldiers have more likelihood of running away cause this isn't thier country lol..
Just think what if the POTENTIAL aggresor paid these gurkhas money to turn against us? Don't forget they are mercenaries and if you got money anything goes..
12 Stealth Frigates and 4 heavily upgraded kockhums subs and some 2 AWACs and P3-Orions with anti sub capabilities should be able to knock off china's sovereignmy's class of ships , unless they fire a nuclear missile at our fleet lol,, we need Visby class of stealth ships..and with the KC-135 we should be able to use the NGF which is deployed with Air-land missiles harpoon anti ship missiles or some sorta of exocet on the incoming destroyers from southern china...
6 frigates not enuf =X
i think that we should get 12 frigates and heavily modify the current gunboat we got..the armor is too light..should upgrade to composite plastics like those used in F-117 and equip them with SSBN lol.. den its like Gulf war
again..where's the cash??
The Gurkhas are hired for homeland security management not a frontline Combat unit. I m sure the Govt know best what are the lessons learn during WW2.
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Your inclusion of Gurkhas is not relevant to RSN EXpansion Ideas..
In my opinions, RSN should get newer submarines, larger firgates , with long ranged SAMs, and wide arrays of torpedos, Exocets and Harpoons..
It can considered converting civilian super tankers into light aircraft carrier ( similar to HMS Invincible or Kiev or Minsk carriers ( from ex-USSR) )
This tanker turned carriers can carry Harriers, Super Cobras .. -
Prob get rid of the gunboats sooner, makes plans to replace the missile corvettes, purchase 6 more frigates to get a new squadron
dun really need larger ships IMO.
improve amphibious capability by having a ship that can support more helos? but thats not critical, only if RSN got too much money leftover...
If u notice, RSN always go for small but capable ships and buy them a few at a time, like the LST, frigates etc...
It doesnt go for just buy one or two big capital ships like a large amphibious ship with 10,000 tonnes displacement or like 2 destroyers that are big and capable.... it always likes having more small but very capable ships...
with the current confirmed force,
the frigates are large enuff for trips into the South China Sea, corvettes can handle the relatively sheltered waters to the west of singapore, mostly straits of malacca only.., anything large go there will be playing bumper boats with the merchant marine
okay, to end of, i know nuts abt anything, anything i type is a result of thinking thorugh stuff on the net, etc, in otherwords,i'm another armchair nut, so dun read too deep into what i say, thanx
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What we need more is an increase in the size of the maritime air patrol.The MPAs should preferably be fitted with Popeye or SLAM-ER missiles.I'm not sure whether a StormShadow is compatible with the MPA we are currently operating.Using the current LST platform, we could build light assault ships for helicopters, and rapid deployment forces.Anyway, maritime surveillance is crucial in a hypothetical conflict with a bluewater navy in the South China Sea.But one limitation we face is the aerial firepower we can call upon in the sea itself.Without air support, our frigates and LSTs are practically only able to perfom defensive duties, not conduct offensive operations without feeling safe at the back.The RN is currently holding tests to see whether the AH-64Ds are able to be modified for a naval attack role.Now that would be interesting to say the least.Originally posted by Sardaukar:What do u guys think abt the expansion of RSN capabilities and range,to prepare for possible containment of China hegemony and expansionism in the South China Sea as well as expand our sphere of operations further?
I think that perhaps we could do with an extra squadron of 6 stealth frigates,4-6 extra subs in the form of the Scorpene or new Viking-class by Sweden,and a squadron of Kongo-class Destroyers,which we can buy from Japan.
We certainly have the financial resources to deploy and maintain these assets,and we could reduce and minimise possible manpower problems through heavy automation like the Deltas.
to make up for possible manpower problems throughout the army as a whole,we can look at utilising British methods,such as hiring foreign nationals with the promise of citizenship after perhaps a 10-15 year contract or duty tour with the armed forces from Commonwealth countries,such as Pakistan,India and Nepal.this would definitely expand our manpower base,help to solve our population problems to an extent by granting these contracted soldiers citizenship(if the government is willing to allow the South Asian population to grow,which they should),and they would be relatively loyal,as British history can attest to,where they used sepoys and gurkhas as well as pathan soldiery in maintaining the peace in their colonies such as Singapore.
furthermore,their loyalty would be less questionable as the interests of their countries of origin and their cultures would not be threatened,and Singapore would provide a relatively decent place for them to base their families.eventually,after their service,they could retain their citizenship or residency while returning to their countries of origin and promoting enlistment in our forces as a possible career path,as ex-Gurkhas do in Nepal.
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I have a very good question..!
Why is Sardaukar always advocating military expansion? -
Because he is a hormonally-charged teen who has not enlisted into the SAF, and been turned into a cynical slacker like us whose interest in military affairs purely consists of ooh-aahing at new hardware and speculation
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hmm.....speculation on the nature of Sardaukar.interesting.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Because he is a hormonally-charged teen who has not enlisted into the SAF, and been turned into a cynical slacker like us whose interest in military affairs purely consists of ooh-aahing at new hardware and speculation
perhaps u r right...........then again,u could always be wrong.50/50.
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AH-64D can be modified for naval attack by arming itself with 4 anti-ship missiles.
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yeah, i'm another one who talk alot of cock but not yet enlistedOriginally posted by LazerLordz:Because he is a hormonally-charged teen who has not enlisted into the SAF, and been turned into a cynical slacker like us whose interest in military affairs purely consists of ooh-aahing at new hardware and speculation 
2-3 more years
but we shud tok more real news stuff lah, this military expansion stuff do too much until now quite sian also. perfectly fine to compare hardware based on specs for fun, but dun always expect singapore to go buy and use lah... -
LOL ah-64 is primarily built for land based ops...Originally posted by fkh:AH-64D can be modified for naval attack by arming itself with 4 anti-ship missiles.
Do you think so ?
anyway even if u use the AH-64 against ships will be very vulnearable from F/A-18s and the ship's AAM and not to say low range AA guns
read somewhere that AH-64 do not have AA capability..and the A-10 Warthog oso..
put a Ah-64 and u will lose out due to lack of AIM-9X
anyway warfare is like chess
Tanks > Infantry
Submarines > Ships
RPG - 7 > Helicopters/Tanks
P-3 Orions > Submarines
Ships > Coastal defense
E2C hawkeye > ground radar
AA gun and missile > Planes
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Should get a medium air-craft carrier
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And do what, may I ask? Our fleet is small enough as it is, buying such a vessel requires the fleet to divert our limited resources for its operation and protection. It's a waste of taxpayer's money and it's not feasible for our navy for the time being. Do you know how much fuel these things consume? Oil is not running cheaper these days.Originally posted by Saint Valentinian:Should get a medium air-craft carrier
Throwing money away to buy "prestige" is hardly a good thing to do, a good example is the laughable purchases our neighbour made. -
way i see it 4 more frigates should be enough for our needs...the Swedish Visby(sic) would be a good choice.Honestly...it could also save us the need for new long range air defence missiles and thus save us alot of money!
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You may mean abt Thailand's VSTOL carrier that is only operated once a month.Originally posted by Obersturmfuhrer:And do what, may I ask? Our fleet is small enough as it is, buying such a vessel requires the fleet to divert our limited resources for its operation and protection. It's a waste of taxpayer's money and it's not feasible for our navy for the time being. Do you know how much fuel these things consume? Oil is not running cheaper these days.
Throwing money away to buy "prestige" is hardly a good thing to do, a good example is the laughable purchases our neighbour made.
However, todays carriers are nuclear powered like the Nimitz class carrier, they can go unrefuelled for 2 decades -
With MY Astros,our airfields are vulnerable,and no matter how hardened or reinforced,if you bomb our runways long enough,they are still going to take time to repair.Same goes for our secret runways posing as roads,though nobody knows the majority of them.
We should have a 2nd strike capability for the RSAF,like some form of submerged platform out at sea or something,a small aircraft carrier of sorts that can perhaps hold a squadron,that just stays out at the Southern Islands,to provide 2nd strike capability.
we could also think of converting a freighter or oil tanker to a helicarrier,perhaps modify our Apaches to allow naval operations?The Brits are doing that around now. -
IF you think that singapore has 4 "mentioned airbases" den i think ur quite silly lol...Originally posted by Sardaukar:With MY Astros,our airfields are vulnerable,and no matter how hardened or reinforced,if you bomb our runways long enough,they are still going to take time to repair.Same goes for our secret runways posing as roads,though nobody knows the majority of them.
We should have a 2nd strike capability for the RSAF,like some form of submerged platform out at sea or something,a small aircraft carrier of sorts that can perhaps hold a squadron,that just stays out at the Southern Islands,to provide 2nd strike capability.
we could also think of converting a freighter or oil tanker to a helicarrier,perhaps modify our Apaches to allow naval operations?The Brits are doing that around now.
Heard of VTOL craft?? Harrier II with upgraded avionics..with harriers you don't need runways
Thailand's mini heli carrier is going to be the 1st thing that will be torpedoed in the 1st case of a war , cause in war enemies hit tough targets
The apaches, how many times must i say , it is vulnearable to naval strike aircraft like F/A-18 , it is not designed to meet and fight AIR , it is expected to fight with air support .
Small aircraft carrier at southern island?? LOL
If you can calculate how much risk there is on a aircraft carrier..by all means
Do you know how much resources have to be dedicated to the defense?
More over , USA has thousands of strike aircrafts..if 1 carrier sink , most likely 81 aircraft will go down with it , along with 92,000 tons of diplomacy , and each aircraft is worth almost US 50 million , and 5,000 crews and you will run a risk of a nuclear spill .
Even if singapore have aircraft carrier so wad??
1 aircraft carrier can't work magic...
Aircraft carrier if kept on home soil IS useless , cause its designed to GO all around the world...
if u wanna keep 1 aircraft carrier at home , mights well build a base..cheap somemore...war come easier to evacuate..and so on...
No need 2nd strike capability..man
The day singapore acquires aircraft carrier will be the day..
Singapore's size is as large as malaysia..LOL...
Buying a aircraft carrier costs billions...a 2nd hand russian aircraft carrier cost 2billion or so..and u need alot of crew etc etc..
Not to forget about the arms race , and about the vulnearability..and lastly the crew and maintenace probability , and Al-Qaeda ,
Singapore's Navy has only ventured on the SEAS for about 40 years++
China's Navy has been there for almost 800 years...and still no aircraft carrier..LOL
Anyway if u are so desperate..tell them to enlarge Endurance's flight deck to host xtra harrier craft?
Anyway we are not under such a big threat , even ISRL navy don't have aircraft carrier
Last time i was like u keep on thinking about aircraft carrier , and the glory of being inside 1...ETC ETC..
My best bet would be to improve the armor of warship , lest something like courageous happens again...and to improve the speed , carry more exocets and harpoons , improve missile tracking and stealth capabilities and we can have the most powerful fleet in SEA for 10 years to come
Anyway im beginning to doubt ST Marine's quality of ships...after that incident...whether how thick is the steel inside the ship etc etc... -
IMO we should just get more frigates and even more MCVs..or maybe a stealth version of the MCV, smth like the swedish visby... introducing a larger class of warships into the RSN for now seems counterproductive...
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what makes u think we dont have secret bases on our many islands?and our planes frm overseas provides us with a 2nd strike ability.Originally posted by Sardaukar:With MY Astros,our airfields are vulnerable,and no matter how hardened or reinforced,if you bomb our runways long enough,they are still going to take time to repair.Same goes for our secret runways posing as roads,though nobody knows the majority of them.
We should have a 2nd strike capability for the RSAF,like some form of submerged platform out at sea or something,a small aircraft carrier of sorts that can perhaps hold a squadron,that just stays out at the Southern Islands,to provide 2nd strike capability.
we could also think of converting a freighter or oil tanker to a helicarrier,perhaps modify our Apaches to allow naval operations?The Brits are doing that around now.Anyway im beginning to doubt ST Marine's quality of ships...after that incident...whether how thick is the steel inside the ship etc etc...
honestly there is not much need for thick armour anymore.....gone are the days where thick armour will save ur ass.......with modern missiles that wont help much i mean these is the day of the bunker busters man! nothing is save anymore!.ECM is a better bet. -
ECM doesn't work 100% and A-MM doesn't always hit the missileOriginally posted by |-|05|:honestly there is not much need for thick armour anymore.....gone are the days where thick armour will save ur ass.......with modern missiles that wont help much i mean these is the day of the bunker busters man! nothing is save anymore!.ECM is a better bet.
The last bet would be a ARMOR , if u got thicker armor , more lifes saved , thin armor more pple die
using a M1 Abrams and a Bionix as a example ,
which tank would u prefer to sit inside in time of a war?
A M1 tanks in which has been tested with RPG 7 and Bullets and cannons
or a locally built ST Bionix 17.5 tonnes newbie?
i'll take the M1 Tank , thank you =) just compare the thickness of the armor!
anyway the delta frigates are definitely going to be made of plastics..
anyway i believe the bionix was build to counter rifle shots and pistol fire
and not for countering RPG -7 ...
Anyone here did a TESTING of RPGs on Bionix?
care to share a little of the results?
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I think we are over paranoid about the Astros. Yes there is no doubt about its fire power.Originally posted by Sardaukar:With MY Astros,our airfields are vulnerable,and no matter how hardened or reinforced,if you bomb our runways long enough,they are still going to take time to repair.Same goes for our secret runways posing as roads,though nobody knows the majority of them.
We should have a 2nd strike capability for the RSAF,like some form of submerged platform out at sea or something,a small aircraft carrier of sorts that can perhaps hold a squadron,that just stays out at the Southern Islands,to provide 2nd strike capability.
we could also think of converting a freighter or oil tanker to a helicarrier,perhaps modify our Apaches to allow naval operations?The Brits are doing that around now.
If MY really wanna wack us they are likely to be moblizing other assets and troops together with the Astros which is unlikely to go undetected.
Don't forget we have people watching them 24/7.
By the time the Astros get into their firing range, our F16s and AH64s will already be in the air waiting for Astro's first strike which will expose their exact location. If our boys in the RSAF do their job well it will also be the Astros's last strike..
Instead of aircraft carrier I would rather spend the money on new submarines with the capability to launch AGM84E SLAM or SLAM-ER harpoons. That should take care of your needs for the 2nd strike capability
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I believe currently RSN should focus on getting hands on with the operation of submarine and hopefully new ships can be acquired soon. I dont feel easy with the possible adversary having more larger and sophisticated submarine.Originally posted by sgFish:IMO we should just get more frigates and even more MCVs..or maybe a stealth version of the MCV, smth like the swedish visby... introducing a larger class of warships into the RSN for now seems counterproductive...
Submarine has time and again proven that its the TOP predator in an open sea combat especially engaging in underwater guerilla and............... -
Originally posted by Paladin:I think we are over paranoid about the Astros. Yes there is no doubt about its fire power.
If MY really wanna wack us they are likely to be moblizing other assets and troops together with the Astros which is unlikely to go undetected.
Don't forget we have people watching them 24/7.
By the time the Astros get into their firing range, our F16s and AH64s will already be in the air waiting for Astro's first strike which will expose their exact location. If our boys in the RSAF do their job well it will also be the Astros's last strike..
Instead of aircraft carrier I would rather spend the money on new submarines with the capability to launch AGM84E SLAM or SLAM-ER harpoons. That should take care of your needs for the 2nd strike capability
LOL even the malaysian robbers can escape to Pulau ubin..
Watching their Astros 24/7??
LOL
Even spy satellites got problem tracking down cause of its camoflage..
Spy satellites can only detect those nuclear facilities which emit radiation
etc etc...
UAV is definitely impossible cuz it can be detected and low flying.
If mini robbers can escape and land at ubin..you think can really detect??