England sabotaged 2nd phrase of EuroFighter
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News has been flying around for the past 8 hrs with the Air Show... From Reuters, Bloomberg...
However, the same story goes... "UK delayes project, Euro$2 billion of taxpayers money will be wasted, jobs slashed" Apparently, UK wanted the 2nd batch to have better ground attack weapons which Germany strongly objected.. -
Lastest, if the project is to be delayed, it may snowball to Euro$200 million per plane (Abt $249 US million)
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As you have stated, the eurofighter is basically DOOM.
So, the choice is clear -
bugger......a under powered french plane....bah i'd rather more F-16's geezOriginally posted by Medicated Oil:As you have stated, the eurofighter is basically DOOM.
So, the choice is clear -
wah ..
... so expensive.......Originally posted by sbst275:Lastest, if the project is to be delayed, it may snowball to Euro$200 million per plane (Abt $249 US million) -
in eurofighter website they say F-16 C is weaker den F/A-18 E
spells trouble for us >.< -
Dat's the reason why we shouldn't go for eurofighter, the europeans are not even united in this, suka suka delay.... USD$249mil might as well buy F22, what the cock man! Rafale on the other hand is cheaper, good and already OPERATIONAL!!!Originally posted by sbst275:Lastest, if the project is to be delayed, it may snowball to Euro$200 million per plane (Abt $249 US million)
$249mil == half billion singapore $$. If mindef those guys at mindef ever pay $249mil for 1 plane then they are the biggest cock! -
Actually, I don't bet well on Rafale as well actually as of a hindrance..Originally posted by arburthen?:Dat's the reason why we shouldn't go for eurofighter, the europeans are not even united in this, suka suka delay.... USD$249mil might as well buy F22, what the cock man! Rafale on the other hand is cheaper, good and already OPERATIONAL!!!
$249mil == half billion singapore $$. If mindef those guys at mindef ever pay $249mil for 1 plane then they are the biggest cock!
I have found out, Rafale is only capable of having those V Ex French missile. French missile is ex, you can buy 2 US missile for 1 French made. The AIM120 missile we have cannot be placed on Rafale but F15T. Meaning, we have to spend money to buy missiles just for Rafale...
As for F15T, there might be US pressure as they are giving weapons that F-15E has.. -
Because their role is dif... However, our "friendly" neuighbour only 8 hornets (Dun know whether all can fly...) compared to our 60 F-16 C/D.....Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:in eurofighter website they say F-16 C is weaker den F/A-18 E
spells trouble for us >.<
If we get F-15, it will defeat the F-18 as F-15 has air superority in comparison... -
French missiles more ex than American...so? How many live missiles do you expect the RSAF to expend every year? Besides, I've yet to see ANY evidence that the overall life-cycle costs of an F-15 is less than that of the Rafale. You're again looking at a very narrow part of a very big picture to argue your case.Originally posted by sbst275:Actually, I don't bet well on Rafale as well actually as of a hindrance..
I have found out, Rafale is only capable of having those V Ex French missile. French missile is ex, you can buy 2 US missile for 1 French made. The AIM120 missile we have cannot be placed on Rafale but F15T. Meaning, we have to spend money to buy missiles just for Rafale...
As for F15T, there might be US pressure as they are giving weapons that F-15E has.. -
And how about the Su-30MKM then? Can you be sure the F-15 can defeat those, based on contemporary evidence?Originally posted by sbst275:Because their role is dif... However, our "friendly" neuighbour only 8 hornets (Dun know whether all can fly...) compared to our 60 F-16 C/D.....
If we get F-15, it will defeat the F-18 as F-15 has air superority in comparison...
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Not with the M88-3 it isn't...Originally posted by |-|05|:bugger......a under powered french plane....bah i'd rather more F-16's geez -
Well this type of statement is very hard to prove. Esp different manufacturer say their is better.Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:in eurofighter website they say F-16 C is weaker den F/A-18 E
spells trouble for us >.<
Think the objective is not to just run out there and grab the best plane, but more of the most cost effective that can do the job.
There is a lot of arguement and question over the F/A 18E , think F16C is still the better choice, as it is the most cost efficient plane to run long term. So even the F18 E is better, it have 2 engines which eat up fuels, you may have the better plane, but more costly for replacement and long term maintanence.
While operating the F16C, you ensure you have money for replacements. -
The AIM120 missile we have isn't even on our shores my friend & what good is that going to do for us even if we have the knowledge that 1 french made missile more expensive than 2 US made missiles?Originally posted by sbst275:Actually, I don't bet well on Rafale as well actually as of a hindrance..
I have found out, Rafale is only capable of having those V Ex French missile. French missile is ex, you can buy 2 US missile for 1 French made. The AIM120 missile we have cannot be placed on Rafale but F15T. Meaning, we have to spend money to buy missiles just for Rafale...
As for F15T, there might be US pressure as they are giving weapons that F-15E has..
So what if it is more expensive, at least we can store it here rather than 2000 km away, that counts in the end not just some empty promise from the yanks.
Forget the americans forget the europeans, lets just buy the damn rafale & get on with our lives. -
No, USA did not want to provoke sendiments... However we have secured a deal, the missiles will be back home if there is a threat.Originally posted by arburthen?:The AIM120 missile we have isn't even on our shores my friend & what good is that going to do for us even if we have the knowledge that 1 french made missile more expensive than 2 US made missiles?
So what if it is more expensive, at least we can store it here rather than 2000 km away, that counts in the end not just some empty promise from the yanks.
Forget the americans forget the europeans, lets just buy the damn rafale & get on with our lives.
As for Rafale, I'm looking at economics of scale... It is hard for us to have training detachment everywhere as well. The French made missiles cannot be used on F-16 as well. Just like, spending money ineffectively for just 1 model of aircraft. IMO -
If you think that is a good deal, do I have an even better deal for you. I'll sell you a plasma screen TV at market rate, but keep it at my place, and whenever you want to watch TV, I'll bring it over to you.Originally posted by sbst275:No, USA did not want to provoke sendiments... However we have secured a deal, the missiles will be back home if there is a threat.
As for Rafale, I'm looking at economics of scale... It is hard for us to have training detachment everywhere as well. The French made missiles cannot be used on F-16 as well. Just like, spending money ineffectively for just 1 model of aircraft. IMO
Training detachment wise, we already have a training detachment in France. For LIFT/AJT no less. What could be better for economies of scale, training-wise, than having our fighter pilots stay in France after graduating from AJT?
The RoCAF seems pretty happy operating 3 different types of BVR AAMs for their Mirage 2000s, F-16s and IDFs. The logistical inconvenience has to be balanced with the advantages of diversifying our sources of equipment, which will mean no foreign power would be able to unilaterally cripple our ability to defend ourselves. -
buy few F117
a team of X-35 and YF-22
eurofighter? 'yi shi yi shi' buy 2-3 okie? -
Even you may not know... As our ties with UK and France are not that strong, they might do the same thing like US does... Anyway, we are not threaten in any way or other (Dif from a year ago)Originally posted by Viper52:If you think that is a good deal, do I have an even better deal for you. I'll sell you a plasma screen TV at market rate, but keep it at my place, and whenever you want to watch TV, I'll bring it over to you.
Training detachment wise, we already have a training detachment in France. For LIFT/AJT no less. What could be better for economies of scale, training-wise, than having our fighter pilots stay in France after graduating from AJT?
The RoCAF seems pretty happy operating 3 different types of BVR AAMs for their Mirage 2000s, F-16s and IDFs. The logistical inconvenience has to be balanced with the advantages of diversifying our sources of equipment, which will mean no foreign power would be able to unilaterally cripple our ability to defend ourselves.
And, France has always wanted to get our deal... Rafale speed and range loses to Mirage 2000 FYI.. -
F-117, maybeOriginally posted by Qkool:buy few F117
a team of X-35 and YF-22
eurofighter? 'yi shi yi shi' buy 2-3 okie?
F-22, we were actually offered by Lockheed for A4 replacement.... F-35, we are as a member
EF2000, so ex to buy if UK go and ji shiao and delay the project... Snowball to US$249 million, who wants to buy when you can buy 6 F-15 or 6 Rafale or 6 JSF -
Hogwash. Ties, especially military ties with France have never been stronger. On top of the AJT deal in Cazaux, theres Eastern Arc and Western Arc as well as ODAX exercises between the 2 Air Forces. Not to mention the small issue of the biggest RSN project is a colloboration with the French.Originally posted by sbst275:Even you may not know... As our ties with UK and France are not that strong, they might do the same thing like US does... Anyway, we are not threaten in any way or other (Dif from a year ago)
Of course they might do the same, but that is EXACTLY why we must diversify our weapon sources. You've just proven my point, thanks!
So what? Speed and range are not the only thing to judge how good a fighter is. Anyway, if you want to debate NGF, what does the Mirage have to do with it?
And, France has always wanted to get our deal... Rafale speed and range loses to Mirage 2000 FYI.. -
Us? Buy the F-117 and F-22? If you think we can afford the F-22, and we'll be allowed to buy it, I've nothing more to say, except that you've just proven your ignorance...Once again.Originally posted by sbst275:F-117, maybe
F-22, we were actually offered by Lockheed for A4 replacement.... F-35, we are as a member
EF2000, so ex to buy if UK go and ji shiao and delay the project... Snowball to US$249 million, who wants to buy when you can buy 6 F-15 or 6 Rafale or 6 JSF -
F117 sure the US wont sell us..but im sure we can get more better fighter than other .Originally posted by Viper52:Us? Buy the F-117 and F-22? If you think we can afford the F-22, and we'll be allowed to buy it, I've nothing more to say, except that you've just proven your ignorance...Once again.
http://forums.military.com/1/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=78919038&f=986194012&m=5881924296 -
You like to call ppl that.... Lockheed actually offered us F-22 do you know that? Whether US Govt approve is another matter... Poltics and business dosen't linkOriginally posted by Viper52:Us? Buy the F-117 and F-22? If you think we can afford the F-22, and we'll be allowed to buy it, I've nothing more to say, except that you've just proven your ignorance...Once again.
You are also ignorant as well... Thinking EF2000 is so good when you didn't look at cost -
you should watch the video.....that should be an eye opener of typhoon potential even usaf cheif praise typhoon
US Air Force chief praises Eurofighter
21 July 2004
LAAGE - The chief of staff of the US Air Force, General John P. Jumper, was quoted Wednesday as praising the Eurofighter Typhoon after a test flight on the much-maligned jet, which has been in service just 11 weeks with the German Air Force.
"I've flown all the air force jets. None was as good as the Eurofighter," he said, according to an account by the German Air Force of his Tuesday try-out of one of the two-seater jets based at Laage Air Force Base near the Baltic coast city of Rostock.
The general praised the jet fighter for its agility, manoeuvrability, acceleration and precise navigation.
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Washington-based Jumper, who is the most senior US Air Force officer, was in Germany as a guest during an exercise, Baltic Jump, in which German aircraft and paratroops practised seizing an enemy airfield so as to evacuate trapped civilians.
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c'mon this is that fact.....since when countries can buy F-117? the only stealth fighter that countries buy is JSF .Wake up the idea....even israel can't buy F/A-22Originally posted by sbst275:You like to call ppl that.... Lockheed actually offered us F-22 do you know that? Whether US Govt approve is another matter... Poltics and business dosen't link
You are also ignorant as well... Thinking EF2000 is so good when you didn't look at cost