China to transfer short-range missile tech to M'sia
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taiwan dont have better weapon to sell us...Originally posted by sgboy2004:now, wat is Taiwan going to sell to Spore???
cai yi ling ,cyndi maybe i take... -
doubt..if malaysia put all the missile at JB...that to near for us to track .. have to react within 5sec from the time it shoot..(tell me if im wrong)Originally posted by arburthen?:Dun worry I will tell mindef to buy the THEL and MTHEL (Tactical High Energy Laser)
The Tactical High Energy Laser (THEL) program is a key component of U.S.-Israel strategic cooperation designed to counter short-range rockets. Israel faces a constant threat from Hezbollah-guerillas staging attacks on its northern border. The THEL, still in developmental stages, will serve to protect Israeli troops and civilians in advent of these affronts.The THEL precursor, the Nautilus, destroyed a short-range rocket in flight during testing in February 1996 at a site in New Mexico, nine months after the project was launched. This was the first time a laser has ever destroyed a ballistic missile.
In April 1996 the U.S. agreed to accelerate high energy laser development after Hezbollah guerrillas fired over two dozen of Katyusha rockets at Israel during its 17-day period operation against the terrorists. Soon after, both President Clinton and former U.S. Defense Secretary William Perry have pledged to expand work on the THEL.
THEL will be a transportable laser weapon system which will be used by both the Israeli Defense Forces and eventually will have applications for the U.S. Army. The U.S. Army Space and Strategic Defense Command and the Israel Ministry of Defense are managing the program and the test program is conducted at the High Energy Laser Test Facility (HELSTF) in New Mexico.
The system is capable of intercepting both the Katyushas in the hands of the Hizbullah in Lebanon and the Kassam missiles fired at Israel from Gaza, controlled by the Palestinian Authority. These missiles are also liable to be stationed in the West Bank, from where they could threaten Ben Gurion Airport.
The choice of the Israeli and US companies' concept was a preliminary step in producing an operational prototype of the MTEL, the mobile version of the THEL. Production is scheduled for completion in 2004, and the project is slated to end in 2007.
The laser could be in use in 2007. Since development began in 1996, the Army, the Israeli Defense Ministry and TRW had spent $250 million on the project through 2002
The (MTHEL) Mobile Tactical High-Energy Laser is a short-range weapon being developed with Israel, which wants it to destroy Katyusha rockets fired at its border villages by Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon. The weapon looks like a searchlight. In tests during late 2002, the Army used the high-energy laser to heat artillery shells, which exploded in flight. In earlier tests, the laser shot down 25 Katyushas, both singly and in salvos. Artillery shells generate far less heat than rockets do and are more difficult to track. Also, because rockets are pressurized, they are easier to blow up than shells.
The MTHEL is being designed to protect soldiers from artillery and mortar rounds and rockets. the laser system can be packed into about three tractor-trailer loads, he said. The next phase will shrink it to less than one load. Ultimately, it will be small enough to mount on a Humvee. -
I think is range probably a close range system, for more details go to www.israeli-weapons.com website.Originally posted by Qkool:doubt..if malaysia put all the missile at JB...that to near for us to track .. have to react within 5sec from the time it shoot..(tell me if im wrong) -
I think is medium range SAM similar to SA6 -
KUALA LUMPUR, July 20 (Bernama) -- Malaysia has agreed in principle to purchase medium-range surface-to-air missiles from China and in return China will transfer its technology in very short-range air defence system to Malaysia.
Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak said the procurement would be made under the 9th Malaysia Plan (2006-2009) as part of the continous Armed Forces Modernisation Programme.
"Details of the procurement and offset programme will be finalised later should Malaysia give its full commitment," he told a news conference after witnessing the signing of the Memorandum of Understanding on the matter.
China National Precision Machinery Import and Export Corporation (CPMIEC) is offering the FN-6 very short-range air defence system to Malaysia should the country purchase its KS-1A, the medium-range surface-to-air missiles.
FN-6, the shoulder-launched missile, has an engagement range capability of 6km and altitute range of 4km while KS-1A, while the vehicle-launched missile has an engagement range of 50km and altitude range of 27km.
The industrial offset programme of the FN-6 offered to Malaysia is inclusive of special test facilities, universal equipment, special tools, manufacturing process document, training and technical support, and capable of an annual output of 100 FN-6 missiles.
The MoU was signed between CPMIEC, SME Ordance Sdn Bhd, the local company to implement the offset programme, and Aneka Bekal Sdn Bhd, a local agent that promoted the programme.
Over the past couple of years, the Armed Forces have been evaluating medium-range surface-to-air missiles and shortlisted the BUK-M1-2 from Russia, SAMP/Aster 30 from France, MIM-23B Improved Hawk and Hawk-Amraam from United States and KS-1A from China.
The medium-range surface-to-air missiles are crucial for reinforcing the layer between short-range air defence systems and manned air combat aircraft.
Malaysia had procured very short-range air defence systems from Russia and Pakistan as well as a short-range air defence missile system from United Kingdom for its air defence requirement during the 8th Malaysia Plan (2001-2005).
The president of CPMIEC, Prof Wang Bingyan, said China had ofered to conclude the KS-1A transaction on flexible payment terms, including counter-trade, barter and deferred payments.
Malaysia is currently focussing on developing its defence technologies towards achieving greater self-reliance as it did not want to remain merely as a consumer of foreign defence technologies.
The MoU was signed by Prof Wang for CPMIEC, Senior Vice President SME Ordnance Sdn Bhd Gen (Rtd) Datuk Seri Mohd Sharom Nordin and Chairman of Aneka Bekal Datuk Muhammad Hamzah.
Also present were Army Chief Gen Datuk Pahlawan Mohd Azumi Mohamed and China's Ambassador to Malaysia, Wang Chungui.
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Dont let any Chinese see these words u wrote.... they gonna tear u apart.... China will nv let go of taiwan even if it means WAR!! War!! visit tw if u can.... by 2006, tw may be gone....Originally posted by arburthen?:I feel China should just forget taiwan and move on. If China ever reclaim taiwan by force, I predict it will inherit the most troublesome seperatist province ever, with nearly every male citizen becoming a potential freedom fighter well trained in the armed forces as well as handling of sophisticated arms to deal with.
good luck!
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China....such a travesty to have a such a big nation practising kindergarten politics.Let them hear if they want, it will prove that at least they still have an open mind.
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Just look at the way they conduct their affairs in parliament with microphone, chair flying everywhere. Even the taiwanese national anthem if you ever heard it sounds more like pai kia song.Originally posted by nypsteven:Dont let any Chinese see these words u wrote.... they gonna tear u apart.... China will nv let go of taiwan even if it means WAR!! War!! visit tw if u can.... by 2006, tw may be gone....
The recent election, they took the truck to ram the gates of the presidential palace? is a very good example to show you how spirited they are and what they think of authority that they oppose.
Even if they win taiwan island you think the americans will stop supplying arms & aid to taiwan? I think worry less about me, more likely china will be torn to pieces in another bloody civil war with the foreigners coming in plunder again. -
Oh no!Perhaps Jiang Zemin is an CIA mole??
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MY has been looking a medium range ADS for quite sometime , the contender I believe are from the Russian and PRC.
So this offer of transfering of technology of MANPADs is just a sweetener to grab the deal and have nothing to do with recent event abt Taiwan.
In reality , does MY really need the new technology transfer of MANPADs since they have recently procured Igla and Anza MANPADS?
If they go for it , it will be another rojak scenario which the MAF is famous for!!!!
This technology transfer will only be useful if they could learn & later produced a MANPADS of their own ( a more modern version of course). -
make peace not war
m'sia and s'pore can be good neighbour -
sad.. i just could feel that China Vs Taiwan would be very obvious
don't think that taiwan can survive against any chinese onslaughts
lemme see i think taiwan can survive china's attacks for 2 weeks , if alerted well ...after 2 weeks ....den will lose liao..
china's armed forces is really really huge............. -
how huge is huge? do you have the numbers?Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:sad.. i just could feel that China Vs Taiwan would be very obvious
don't think that taiwan can survive against any chinese onslaughts
lemme see i think taiwan can survive china's attacks for 2 weeks , if alerted well ...after 2 weeks ....den will lose liao..
china's armed forces is really really huge.............
and how many of those troops are available for deployment against ROC?
how many troops does ROC have?
ever checked that up before making such a hasty comment?
even if PRC could assemble a force bigger then ROC... you still gotta get across the straits... nail the entire US pacific fleet down.. bring down the ROCAF, ROCN and ROCA before you can plant that 5 star flag in ROC.
and that just the tip of the iceberg of the many variables that needs to be considered in any major engagement... such 2 weeks comments are very naive... -
3 million
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lol u know what i mean??
there is a credible stuff in which they can capture Taiwan b4 us forces arrive.
firstly, if i were a PLA general i would lay mines about 1500km away from taiwan before attacking and
i will surely upload alot of sea mines and alot of stuff to block Korea and jap and pearl harbor backup
the strategy which im mentioning would be.. a naval blockade followed by a shipping of 1 million PLA troops into TW..
a naval blockade definitely would not be able to hold off USA forces, but the mines will .. the US Navy would not risk having to travel thru mine infested waters so most likely they will deploy thier planes thru aircraft carriers ..but hence the 1,500 km barrier ..i believe by the time the 1,500 kilos has been travelled..the southern part might have been conquered...
China Vs Taiwan would of course lead to China's military being vastly overpowering...just look at the size it is increasing in comparizon to taiwan's military..anyway the 2 weeks would be if US never came to IT's AID.
If US came to the AID den it would different la..
the mines would be used to counter the Navy cuz with the Navy comes SEA,LAND and AIR..
Just look at the amount of weapons they are acquiring..etc..looks like they are not just ready to Face TW , but combined forces by 2020..
the 2 weeks would oso be effective only in the near future..
2 weeks now of course its impossible la!
Anyway 2 weeks they will gradually lose, not lose immediately
anyway i explored other ways of delaying..would be to pre-empt pearl harbor and do the jap trick..but leh...
China got no aircraft carrier..so can't reach ...even if before REACH oso will kana detected by US 7th Fleet
The above calculations is done without having US armed intervention.
if with US intervention i bet they will have to do a lightning war..
hence the 2 weeks will be some sorta blitkrieg..cuz 2 weeks all the CARRIERS would have arrived and game over..
so they have to think of a quick strat before korea and japan's us bases react =) -
On theory it looks good......but that is where it all ends.
Firstly, in order to lay that many mines as you claim, you will have to really do it on the quiet, or else you will attract attention from the US, you didn't take their sigint and elint capabilities into consideration, did you?
And even if you manage to fool the US, that amount of mines would have claim their first victim, most likely a commercial vessel ploying the heavily used shipping lanes, and not only will you bring the US charging in, but very likely the Japanese as well as the Koreans, simply bcos it interrupts with their trade.
You will then see a large number of MCMVs in the area with excorts from the sophisticated Japanese and US fleet, not to mention the increasingly capable ROKN.
Would China risk shooting any of these vessels unwittingly? Highly unlikely...unless they want to risk international condemnation, and inviting more trouble onto their front yard....Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:3 million
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lol u know what i mean??
there is a credible stuff in which they can capture Taiwan b4 us forces arrive.
firstly, if i were a PLA general i would lay mines about 1500km away from taiwan before attacking and
i will surely upload alot of sea mines and alot of stuff to block Korea and jap and pearl harbor backup
the strategy which im mentioning would be.. a naval blockade followed by a shipping of 1 million PLA troops into TW..
a naval blockade definitely would not be able to hold off USA forces, but the mines will .. the US Navy would not risk having to travel thru mine infested waters so most likely they will deploy thier planes thru aircraft carriers ..but hence the 1,500 km barrier ..i believe by the time the 1,500 kilos has been travelled..the southern part might have been conquered...
China Vs Taiwan would of course lead to China's military being vastly overpowering...just look at the size it is increasing in comparizon to taiwan's military..anyway the 2 weeks would be if US never came to IT's AID.
If US came to the AID den it would different la..
the mines would be used to counter the Navy cuz with the Navy comes SEA,LAND and AIR..
Just look at the amount of weapons they are acquiring..etc..looks like they are not just ready to Face TW , but combined forces by 2020..
the 2 weeks would oso be effective only in the near future..
2 weeks now of course its impossible la!
Anyway 2 weeks they will gradually lose, not lose immediately
anyway i explored other ways of delaying..would be to pre-empt pearl harbor and do the jap trick..but leh...
China got no aircraft carrier..so can't reach ...even if before REACH oso will kana detected by US 7th Fleet
The above calculations is done without having US armed intervention.
if with US intervention i bet they will have to do a lightning war..
hence the 2 weeks will be some sorta blitkrieg..cuz 2 weeks all the CARRIERS would have arrived and game over..
so they have to think of a quick strat before korea and japan's us bases react =) -
That would likely push china's progress back by 20 yrs, based on withdrawal of FDI if that happens.China may become an international pariah which engender unnecessary fear in global politics.Hope the Chinese people and their hawkish Central Military Commission become more mature and less belligerent.
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x 2 that.
Just visited the Xinhuanet and read the readers' comments on the VISIT. My only feeling is that they are really affected and threatened by what has happened in the past i.e. Outer Mongolia's independence and how other countries bullied them when they were poor and down.
Now that money is pouring in and the military might (and more importantly economic might) is on the ascent, these deep rooted nationalistic feelings based on the past experiences are all pouring out and being vented on any people/incident related with the Taiwanese Question.
All I can say is that it is going to be such a thorny issue that needs the best and calmest brains from China, US, Taiwan to solve. No military action or simple diplomatic exchange can come and settle the problem. WE don't live in a fairy tale world, unfortunately. -
China ICBM range is 12000km(their longest range missile),so to them very short-range missle(they never say what type?)is 1200km range!
Malaysia will have missile range of 1200km from China. LOL!
Malaysia will move their missile to sabah,act blur.When require fire those missile from sabah at spore!! Nobody will take note on sabah,so far. A strategy from them! LOL!! -
They could mass produce MANPADS without improving them and still pose a serious threat to our Apache and 21 Div's heliborne opsOriginally posted by gary1910:This technology transfer will only be useful if they could learn & later produced a MANPADS of their own ( a more modern version of course). -
aiya china can transfer anything to m'sia who care, we are buying from israel oso mah.
m'sia is just something china want to show us what she can do that all.
no choice liao, what we know we had teach them back 10 or so years now they think faster than us what to do. blame who? blame Ali can? why Ali??? hahah -
Time for singapore's ministers to do something before it gets out of hand..
time to protest again the deal or send RSAF to attack the ship that is transporting the missiles! -
Well,we could certainly ask our wizz-kids at ST and DSTA to hurry up and come up with some super EMP weapon.Then we can f**kie f**kie with the electronic components that whatever China tranfers to M'sia.Besides...M'sia always buy their weapons on impules and not consider the technical and logistical capabilites of sustaining them.AS such wats the difference?In this day and age,war might one day be fought without a single physical casualty but can do irreversible damage to a country's economic infrastructure,as such what they have,we do not nesscearily have to have.
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China has the advantage of numbers but Taiwan has the advantage of US supplied hardware which is more high tech. But let's not forget, China has never won a battle at sea. Also, their amphibious capabilities are weak. For any successful battle to be won, ground troops must be used. Just look at Iraq. Unwilling as the US was to send in ground troops, in the end they still had to go in. With their weak amphi capabilities, its questionable just how many ground troops they can get across the Taiwan straits.
Anyway, let's look away from the military component of this China VS Taiwan issue for a moment. Consider this, let's say that IF China does indeed succeed in invading Taiwan. So freaking what?
You think the Taiwanese ppl will accept China? No matter how China tries to sweet talk them, I assure you the Taiwanese will NOT accept these Chinese invaders. Despite all the crap that China says about Taiwan being part of China, NOT a single Taiwanese will accept it if China invades Taiwan. You think the Taiwanese will wave little red books & welcome their fellow "comrades". My foot!!
Chinese forces in Taiwan will face daily revolts & uprisings. Just like what the US is facing in Iraq right now. And the Chinese will respond with deadly force, thus angering the Taiwanese ppl further. And this vicious cycle will not end until either China pulls out of Taiwan, or every single Taiwanese person has been murdered by the Chinese invaders.
And what about the US? They have said time & time again that they will respond if China invades Taiwan. And let's face it, for all their bragging & hot air blowing, China CAN NOT go head on with the US. They brag that they are constantly improving, but they forget that the US too is improving its arsenal.
Let's not forget the diplomatic front too. If China invades Taiwan, you can bet they'll get expelled from the WTO & all other world bodies. The UN may slap sanctions. The US for sure will slap sanctions & probably try to influence its allies to do so as well. China will end up being seen by the world as invaders. A country which would rather go to war & kill millions of innocents, than try to talk it over.
And you know what the greatest irony is? China says Taiwan is part of China. So technically the Taiwanese ppl are fellow countrymen of Chinese nationals. So by invading Taiwan & slaughtering millions of Taiwanese, the Chinese are in fact killing their own. Wonderful isn't it? Speaks a lot of their human rights record. But then again, what human rights record does China have? These are the people who sent tanks to quell demonstrations held by STUDENTS!!
Problem with China is that they are too proud, arrogant & trigger happy to think clearly. Invading Taiwan will result in a disaster for not just Taiwan but also China. China is either being naive or deluded by thinking everything will be fine once they invade Taiwan.
The smart thing to do is NOT have a deadline for "reunification". Just maintain the status quo until things can be settled through dialogue. Problem is, every Chinese leader wants to have that feather in his hat.
Deng Xiaoping wanted so badly to be the leader who reunited China. He didn't get to be. Jiang Zemin also wanted to be. He too flopped. Even now as the chairman of some military council, he's still trying to reunite China. And he know's he's running out of time which is why he's so eager to resort to war, recently issuing the 2006 deadline.
If the status quo is maintained for say another 20 years, old Jiang would be dead by then & there goes his chance to be immortalised as the "great leader" who reunited China. And that's why he's getting desperate.
Let's just hope that Jiang & the rest of his communist cronies have the sense to put their personal pride & ambition aside for a minute & think. They can criticise the US for occuping Iraq, yet they fail to see that if they invade Taiwan, they too will encounter what the US is facing now in Iraq. Daily bloodbaths!!! -
Agree 100% the last part sounds like Qin Shi Huang who tried to re-united china under brutality and tyranny and giving the pple no political voice..Originally posted by esesce:China has the advantage of numbers but Taiwan has the advantage of US supplied hardware which is more high tech. But let's not forget, China has never won a battle at sea. Also, their amphibious capabilities are weak. For any successful battle to be won, ground troops must be used. Just look at Iraq. Unwilling as the US was to send in ground troops, in the end they still had to go in. With their weak amphi capabilities, its questionable just how many ground troops they can get across the Taiwan straits.
Anyway, let's look away from the military component of this China VS Taiwan issue for a moment. Consider this, let's say that IF China does indeed succeed in invading Taiwan. So freaking what?
You think the Taiwanese ppl will accept China? No matter how China tries to sweet talk them, I assure you the Taiwanese will NOT accept these Chinese invaders. Despite all the crap that China says about Taiwan being part of China, NOT a single Taiwanese will accept it if China invades Taiwan. You think the Taiwanese will wave little red books & welcome their fellow "comrades". My foot!!
Chinese forces in Taiwan will face daily revolts & uprisings. Just like what the US is facing in Iraq right now. And the Chinese will respond with deadly force, thus angering the Taiwanese ppl further. And this vicious cycle will not end until either China pulls out of Taiwan, or every single Taiwanese person has been murdered by the Chinese invaders.
And what about the US? They have said time & time again that they will respond if China invades Taiwan. And let's face it, for all their bragging & hot air blowing, China CAN NOT go head on with the US. They brag that they are constantly improving, but they forget that the US too is improving its arsenal.
Let's not forget the diplomatic front too. If China invades Taiwan, you can bet they'll get expelled from the WTO & all other world bodies. The UN may slap sanctions. The US for sure will slap sanctions & probably try to influence its allies to do so as well. China will end up being seen by the world as invaders. A country which would rather go to war & kill millions of innocents, than try to talk it over.
And you know what the greatest irony is? China says Taiwan is part of China. So technically the Taiwanese ppl are fellow countrymen of Chinese nationals. So by invading Taiwan & slaughtering millions of Taiwanese, the Chinese are in fact killing their own. Wonderful isn't it? Speaks a lot of their human rights record. But then again, what human rights record does China have? These are the people who sent tanks to quell demonstrations held by STUDENTS!!
Problem with China is that they are too proud, arrogant & trigger happy to think clearly. Invading Taiwan will result in a disaster for not just Taiwan but also China. China is either being naive or deluded by thinking everything will be fine once they invade Taiwan.
The smart thing to do is NOT have a deadline for "reunification". Just maintain the status quo until things can be settled through dialogue. Problem is, every Chinese leader wants to have that feather in his hat.
Deng Xiaoping wanted so badly to be the leader who reunited China. He didn't get to be. Jiang Zemin also wanted to be. He too flopped. Even now as the chairman of some military council, he's still trying to reunite China. And he know's he's running out of time which is why he's so eager to resort to war, recently issuing the 2006 deadline.
If the status quo is maintained for say another 20 years, old Jiang would be dead by then & there goes his chance to be immortalised as the "great leader" who reunited China. And that's why he's getting desperate.
Let's just hope that Jiang & the rest of his communist cronies have the sense to put their personal pride & ambition aside for a minute & think. They can criticise the US for occuping Iraq, yet they fail to see that if they invade Taiwan, they too will encounter what the US is facing now in Iraq. Daily bloodbaths!!!
and opponents were supressed..and Ancient China prosperred..it seems so similar -
And the public is clamoring for such an act.What kids...They should tune in to CNN and Al-Jazeera and watch the carnage in Iraq and ask themselves whether they have the stomach to go and invade Taiwan.But I forgot, they might not have such a free media away from the foreign "legations".