taiwan dont have better weapon to sell us...Originally posted by sgboy2004:now, wat is Taiwan going to sell to Spore???![]()
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doubt..if malaysia put all the missile at JB...that to near for us to track .. have to react within 5sec from the time it shoot..(tell me if im wrong)Originally posted by arburthen?:Dun worry I will tell mindef to buy the THEL and MTHEL (Tactical High Energy Laser)
The Tactical High Energy Laser (THEL) program is a key component of U.S.-Israel strategic cooperation designed to counter short-range rockets. Israel faces a constant threat from Hezbollah-guerillas staging attacks on its northern border. The THEL, still in developmental stages, will serve to protect Israeli troops and civilians in advent of these affronts.The THEL precursor, the Nautilus, destroyed a short-range rocket in flight during testing in February 1996 at a site in New Mexico, nine months after the project was launched. This was the first time a laser has ever destroyed a ballistic missile.
In April 1996 the U.S. agreed to accelerate high energy laser development after Hezbollah guerrillas fired over two dozen of Katyusha rockets at Israel during its 17-day period operation against the terrorists. Soon after, both President Clinton and former U.S. Defense Secretary William Perry have pledged to expand work on the THEL.
THEL will be a transportable laser weapon system which will be used by both the Israeli Defense Forces and eventually will have applications for the U.S. Army. The U.S. Army Space and Strategic Defense Command and the Israel Ministry of Defense are managing the program and the test program is conducted at the High Energy Laser Test Facility (HELSTF) in New Mexico.
The system is capable of intercepting both the Katyushas in the hands of the Hizbullah in Lebanon and the Kassam missiles fired at Israel from Gaza, controlled by the Palestinian Authority. These missiles are also liable to be stationed in the West Bank, from where they could threaten Ben Gurion Airport.
The choice of the Israeli and US companies' concept was a preliminary step in producing an operational prototype of the MTEL, the mobile version of the THEL. Production is scheduled for completion in 2004, and the project is slated to end in 2007.
The laser could be in use in 2007. Since development began in 1996, the Army, the Israeli Defense Ministry and TRW had spent $250 million on the project through 2002
The (MTHEL) Mobile Tactical High-Energy Laser is a short-range weapon being developed with Israel, which wants it to destroy Katyusha rockets fired at its border villages by Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon. The weapon looks like a searchlight. In tests during late 2002, the Army used the high-energy laser to heat artillery shells, which exploded in flight. In earlier tests, the laser shot down 25 Katyushas, both singly and in salvos. Artillery shells generate far less heat than rockets do and are more difficult to track. Also, because rockets are pressurized, they are easier to blow up than shells.
The MTHEL is being designed to protect soldiers from artillery and mortar rounds and rockets. the laser system can be packed into about three tractor-trailer loads, he said. The next phase will shrink it to less than one load. Ultimately, it will be small enough to mount on a Humvee.
I think is range probably a close range system, for more details go to www.israeli-weapons.com website.Originally posted by Qkool:doubt..if malaysia put all the missile at JB...that to near for us to track .. have to react within 5sec from the time it shoot..(tell me if im wrong)
Dont let any Chinese see these words u wrote.... they gonna tear u apart.... China will nv let go of taiwan even if it means WAR!! War!! visit tw if u can.... by 2006, tw may be gone....Originally posted by arburthen?:I feel China should just forget taiwan and move on. If China ever reclaim taiwan by force, I predict it will inherit the most troublesome seperatist province ever, with nearly every male citizen becoming a potential freedom fighter well trained in the armed forces as well as handling of sophisticated arms to deal with.
good luck!
Just look at the way they conduct their affairs in parliament with microphone, chair flying everywhere. Even the taiwanese national anthem if you ever heard it sounds more like pai kia song.Originally posted by nypsteven:Dont let any Chinese see these words u wrote.... they gonna tear u apart.... China will nv let go of taiwan even if it means WAR!! War!! visit tw if u can.... by 2006, tw may be gone....![]()
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how huge is huge? do you have the numbers?Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:sad.. i just could feel that China Vs Taiwan would be very obvious
don't think that taiwan can survive against any chinese onslaughts
lemme see i think taiwan can survive china's attacks for 2 weeks , if alerted well ...after 2 weeks ....den will lose liao..
china's armed forces is really really huge.............
Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:3 million
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lol u know what i mean??
there is a credible stuff in which they can capture Taiwan b4 us forces arrive.
firstly, if i were a PLA general i would lay mines about 1500km away from taiwan before attacking and
i will surely upload alot of sea mines and alot of stuff to block Korea and jap and pearl harbor backup
the strategy which im mentioning would be.. a naval blockade followed by a shipping of 1 million PLA troops into TW..
a naval blockade definitely would not be able to hold off USA forces, but the mines will .. the US Navy would not risk having to travel thru mine infested waters so most likely they will deploy thier planes thru aircraft carriers ..but hence the 1,500 km barrier ..i believe by the time the 1,500 kilos has been travelled..the southern part might have been conquered...
China Vs Taiwan would of course lead to China's military being vastly overpowering...just look at the size it is increasing in comparizon to taiwan's military..anyway the 2 weeks would be if US never came to IT's AID.
If US came to the AID den it would different la..
the mines would be used to counter the Navy cuz with the Navy comes SEA,LAND and AIR..
Just look at the amount of weapons they are acquiring..etc..looks like they are not just ready to Face TW , but combined forces by 2020..
the 2 weeks would oso be effective only in the near future..
2 weeks now of course its impossible la!
Anyway 2 weeks they will gradually lose, not lose immediately
anyway i explored other ways of delaying..would be to pre-empt pearl harbor and do the jap trick..but leh...
China got no aircraft carrier..so can't reach ...even if before REACH oso will kana detected by US 7th Fleet
The above calculations is done without having US armed intervention.
if with US intervention i bet they will have to do a lightning war..
hence the 2 weeks will be some sorta blitkrieg..cuz 2 weeks all the CARRIERS would have arrived and game over..
so they have to think of a quick strat before korea and japan's us bases react =)
They could mass produce MANPADS without improving them and still pose a serious threat to our Apache and 21 Div's heliborne opsOriginally posted by gary1910:This technology transfer will only be useful if they could learn & later produced a MANPADS of their own ( a more modern version of course).
Agree 100% the last part sounds like Qin Shi Huang who tried to re-united china under brutality and tyranny and giving the pple no political voice..Originally posted by esesce:China has the advantage of numbers but Taiwan has the advantage of US supplied hardware which is more high tech. But let's not forget, China has never won a battle at sea. Also, their amphibious capabilities are weak. For any successful battle to be won, ground troops must be used. Just look at Iraq. Unwilling as the US was to send in ground troops, in the end they still had to go in. With their weak amphi capabilities, its questionable just how many ground troops they can get across the Taiwan straits.
Anyway, let's look away from the military component of this China VS Taiwan issue for a moment. Consider this, let's say that IF China does indeed succeed in invading Taiwan. So freaking what?
You think the Taiwanese ppl will accept China? No matter how China tries to sweet talk them, I assure you the Taiwanese will NOT accept these Chinese invaders. Despite all the crap that China says about Taiwan being part of China, NOT a single Taiwanese will accept it if China invades Taiwan. You think the Taiwanese will wave little red books & welcome their fellow "comrades". My foot!!
Chinese forces in Taiwan will face daily revolts & uprisings. Just like what the US is facing in Iraq right now. And the Chinese will respond with deadly force, thus angering the Taiwanese ppl further. And this vicious cycle will not end until either China pulls out of Taiwan, or every single Taiwanese person has been murdered by the Chinese invaders.
And what about the US? They have said time & time again that they will respond if China invades Taiwan. And let's face it, for all their bragging & hot air blowing, China CAN NOT go head on with the US. They brag that they are constantly improving, but they forget that the US too is improving its arsenal.
Let's not forget the diplomatic front too. If China invades Taiwan, you can bet they'll get expelled from the WTO & all other world bodies. The UN may slap sanctions. The US for sure will slap sanctions & probably try to influence its allies to do so as well. China will end up being seen by the world as invaders. A country which would rather go to war & kill millions of innocents, than try to talk it over.
And you know what the greatest irony is? China says Taiwan is part of China. So technically the Taiwanese ppl are fellow countrymen of Chinese nationals. So by invading Taiwan & slaughtering millions of Taiwanese, the Chinese are in fact killing their own. Wonderful isn't it?Speaks a lot of their human rights record. But then again, what human rights record does China have? These are the people who sent tanks to quell demonstrations held by STUDENTS!!
Problem with China is that they are too proud, arrogant & trigger happy to think clearly. Invading Taiwan will result in a disaster for not just Taiwan but also China. China is either being naive or deluded by thinking everything will be fine once they invade Taiwan.
The smart thing to do is NOT have a deadline for "reunification". Just maintain the status quo until things can be settled through dialogue. Problem is, every Chinese leader wants to have that feather in his hat.
Deng Xiaoping wanted so badly to be the leader who reunited China. He didn't get to be. Jiang Zemin also wanted to be. He too flopped. Even now as the chairman of some military council, he's still trying to reunite China. And he know's he's running out of time which is why he's so eager to resort to war, recently issuing the 2006 deadline.
If the status quo is maintained for say another 20 years, old Jiang would be dead by then & there goes his chance to be immortalised as the "great leader" who reunited China. And that's why he's getting desperate.
Let's just hope that Jiang & the rest of his communist cronies have the sense to put their personal pride & ambition aside for a minute & think. They can criticise the US for occuping Iraq, yet they fail to see that if they invade Taiwan, they too will encounter what the US is facing now in Iraq. Daily bloodbaths!!!