Does Singapore Technologies Engg Import Stuff?
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Asking..here der lao jiang please answer my question
cuz i only know of them selling weapons to other countries..
do they buy and sell ? -
quite a few equipment that ST claimed to have developed are bought overseas
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thers still SG chartered industriesOriginally posted by SibeiSuayKia:Asking..here der lao jiang please answer my question
cuz i only know of them selling weapons to other countries..
do they buy and sell ? -
what kind of weapons ar??
bionix? sar-21? -
for what i know... we are good in CUT AND PASTE lah.... really...
u think bionix we MADE them? kekekekeke no lah... its a copy version from france.... as... i saw the B4 MODIFIED version.... and i think... if theres any 42sar guyz down here... they will know what im taking about..... -
Our so called locally produced LSV is actually Australian made. Its called the Flyer. The Spyder LSV is a locally modified version of the LSV. The SAR-21 if you'd noticed, heavily resembles the Israeli TAR-21. Even the name is similar!
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Errm....actually the SAR-21 and the Tavor is actually quite different....Originally posted by esesce:Our so called locally produced LSV is actually Australian made. Its called the Flyer. The Spyder LSV is a locally modified version of the LSV. The SAR-21 if you'd noticed, heavily resembles the Israeli TAR-21. Even the name is similar!
I am trying to write something about it but have not been able to source / find a decent picture of the Tavor's innards....
Some of the differences are summarised as follows (various googled sources):
- Tavor has its CG behind the weapon (so that cocking the weapon is easier). SAR-21 is perfectly balanced on firer's hand (so that you can easily fire with one hand).
- Tavor barrel is free-floating. SAR-21 appears to be non-free floating (from the design).
- The standard Tavor's barrel is shorter (460mm) vs SAR-21 (508mm). The Tavor was supposed to replace the M4 (M16 Carbine). The SAR-21 was supposed to replace the M-16 standard.
- The Tavor claims to break into 2 major components (the rifle body and the bolt group) but trying to clean / swop other parts might be a bit more complicated. The SAR-21 is perhaps more modular.
- The Tavor has a M-16 sweep selector. The SAR-21 has a cross-bolt / push-type selector.
- The Tavor can be re-configured for southpaws. The SAR-21 is strictly for right-hand use only.
- The Tavor uses an integrated reflex sight with red-dot + laser aiming device fixed on the barrel. The SAR-21 uses a scope fixed to the barrel with a separate LAD slund underneath the barrel.
- The Tavor uses M-16 magazines. The SAR-21 uses its proprietary plastic magazines (though ST Engg does have SAR-21 that uses M-16 mags for exports).
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Errm....actually the SAR-21 and the Tavor is actually quite different....Originally posted by esesce:Our so called locally produced LSV is actually Australian made. Its called the Flyer. The Spyder LSV is a locally modified version of the LSV. The SAR-21 if you'd noticed, heavily resembles the Israeli TAR-21. Even the name is similar!
I am trying to write something about it but have not been able to source / find a decent picture of the Tavor's innards....
Some of the differences are summarised as follows (various googled sources):
- Tavor has its CG behind the weapon (so that cocking the weapon is easier). SAR-21 is perfectly balanced on firer's hand (so that you can easily fire with one hand).
- Tavor barrel is free-floating. SAR-21 appears to be non-free floating (from the design).
- The standard Tavor's barrel is shorter (460mm) vs SAR-21 (508mm). The Tavor was supposed to replace the M4 (M16 Carbine). The SAR-21 was supposed to replace the M-16 standard.
- The Tavor claims to break into 2 major components (the rifle body and the bolt group) but trying to clean / swop other parts might be a bit more complicated. The SAR-21 is perhaps more modular.
- The Tavor has a M-16 sweep selector. The SAR-21 has a cross-bolt / push-type selector.
- The Tavor can be re-configured for southpaws. The SAR-21 is strictly for right-hand use only.
- The Tavor uses an integrated reflex sight with red-dot + laser aiming device fixed on the barrel. The SAR-21 uses a scope fixed to the barrel with a separate LAD slund underneath the barrel.
- The Tavor uses M-16 magazines. The SAR-21 uses its proprietary plastic magazines (though ST Engg does have SAR-21 that uses M-16 mags for exports).
Some comaprison of the innards (Micro TAR - not sure if the same innards as the Tavor standard vs. SAR-21).....note the huge differences:
TAVOR (MTAR)
SAR-21
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So they obtain licenses to build and modify them ar??
i think they must have got the design blue prints and build it accordingly and modify it for our local needs..
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the story, or the one i heard, is that ST worked with the israelis for awhile on the design of the weapon, then decided to go seperate ways to develop it... that is why they look kinda similar, but are actually 2 different weapons.
the SAR bolt carrier, for those who had done NS before, will in fact look very, very familiar...
as for which weapon is better, lets just agree to disagree on that
as for whether ST imports stuff... well, depends which ST u're referring to... STK mostly manufactures under license and exports stuff through Unicorn, their marketing arm... i heard also that this is the same pple who are known to have some rather unsavory clients but in the business world, money is money...
as for importing for mindef, i think not... mindef deals direct unless ST has a role in customising, modifying the system for them... then ST is operating under license from the original dealer... kinda like a partnership.
mindef has also made it very clear on some occassions that ST does not have a monopoly in supplying systems to the SAF... if they can't deliver the specs, mindef will shop elsewhere. -
Oh yeah, heard that too but dunno how true it is.....Originally posted by CX:the story, or the one i heard, is that ST worked with the israelis for awhile on the design of the weapon, then decided to go seperate ways to develop it... that is why they look kinda similar, but are actually 2 different weapons.
the SAR bolt carrier, for those who had done NS before, will in fact look very, very familiar...
as for which weapon is better, lets just agree to disagree on that
It's in fact interesting to note that the rifles introduced of late have very similar traits. Take the G36 / XM8 German rifle, and S. Africa's Vector CR21.....
- Sights placed on barrel instead of on the rifle body
- Scopes instead of iron sights
- Night aiming devices, e.g., red dot, laser aiming device
- Claims to be egronomically designed and tested
- Modular construction
- Use of plastics / composites
- Compact weapon
In fact the Vector CR21 looks more like the SAR-21 than the Tavor.
My point is that maybe all these rifles are developed independently, based on users who incidentially have the same requirements - a good accurate, reliable rifle that is easy to use and have minimal maintenance!!!
The fact that the implementation of it differs suggests different developmental tracks (not sure if they shared notes b/w them though....)
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as26-e.htm --> Vector CR21