21st Rapid Deployment Division
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As i said b4, all those that mention in here can be found in-ter-net. This was back dated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/mindef123/Army.html
Almost 3 years and we have add more things in SAF
21st Rapid Deployment Division
(1 brigade is air mobile & 1 brigade is amphibious)
Div HQ
7th SIB (1st Guards, 2nd Guards, 3rd Guards)
13th SIB (three Guards battalions)
15th SIB (three Guards battalions)
42nd SAR, ? SAR
(equipped with AMX-10 vehicles)
Divisional Artillery
(SA units equipped with 105mm light howitzer)
21st Signal Bn
21st DISCOM (Transportation Bn + Supply & Maintenance Bn)
18th SADA (equipped with Mistral SAM)
Supported by Army Combat Engineers Group (bridging engineers), Air Force 120 Sqn, Navy 191 Sqn & 195 Sqn
Note: Guards (battalion size) = Elite infantry trained in heli-borne and amphibious warfare. 7th SIB is an active Guards brigade while 13th SIB and 15th SIB are NS man units.
25th Div (Army Operational Reserve)
(consist of time expired NS men)
11th SIB, 14th SIB, 63rd SIB, 65th SIB, 76th SIB
Note: 25th Division is makeup of soldiers who have completed their 13-year reservist training cycle or those who are not in active reservist training. The strength of this division is estimated to be above 100,000. -
After Guards Units were fully form, someone from the top had the vision of make it something like the USMC and some how 82nd was in the picture due to our possible threat which today are still very real.
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I think we do need another Bde , an airborne one.
Two Bn of commando, some for LRRP and some for strike, maybe we could expand on this and form another Bde. -
Originally posted by gary1910:I think we do need another Bde , an airborne one.
Two Bn of commando, some for LRRP and some for strike, maybe we could expand on this and form another Bde.
you ok
might as well say get 50,000 teams of SOFs -
I mean expand on the strike, afterall we already have two Bn of them, I know it will not be popular with some guys, ley them served 10 ICT and instead of 6 ICT.Originally posted by Joshua1975:
you ok
might as well say get 50,000 teams of SOFs
Now you will get your new airborne Bde w/o forming any new unit but delay the ROD of older unit becos most of them will be below 30. They r still fit for combat . -
u might want to try jumping with full combat equipment at the age of 30 before u make comment of extending the ICT.Originally posted by gary1910:I mean expand on the strike, afterall we already have two Bn of them, I know it will not be popular with some guys, ley them served 10 ICT and instead of 6 ICT.
Now you will get your new airborne Bde w/o forming any new unit but delay the ROD of older unit becos most of them will be below 30. They r still fit for combat . -
The 1st post looks like cut & paste from Tim Huxley's Defending the Lion City.
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Yeah, and what about our 32nd Division. 21stDSMB eh..I'm fascinated, because I belong to a DSMB myself.
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Whatever the 21st RDD maybe, it'll take a major incident for MINDEF to actually deploy anything. They still have the mentality that if its not broken, don't fix it yet
In any case the current RDD is the ADF known as Army Decieve Force or UN peace-keeping force. -
Originally posted by John Ching:In any case the current RDD is the ADF known as Army Decieve Force or UN peace-keeping force.
You can say it part of RDD but not RDD itself and it call Army Development Force and not decieve or peace-keeping. -
I tot of that too.Originally posted by lion02:u might want to try jumping with full combat equipment at the age of 30 before u make comment of extending the ICT.
All airborne troops dun have to be all foot soldlier.
They could be operating the air-droppable armoured asset like the Russian BMD-1,BMD-3 or the German Wiesel.
Now there is one NSF bn, and a NS Bn which is still within 1-6 ICTs, the older NS Bn which will be fully converted to a fully airborne armour Bn say in 6-10 ICTs.
Let's say is a fully Wiesel Bn, armed with 20mm cannon, Spike ,SAM variant of the Wiesel 1/2 AFV. For more firepower , maybe even with M8 Thunderbolt.
Therefore , this Bn will be less strenuous as they will air drop w/o fullpack, all their the rest of equipment will be in the air-dropped veh. And they will fight in their veh , supporting the fitter two Bn.
So in way still fully utilised combat fit commando(28-33 y.o.) in a less strenuous role & at the same time give the strike trooper more firepower. -
You could join in the discussion abt 32 Div over here , we did it last month:Originally posted by LazerLordz:Yeah, and what about our 32nd Division. 21stDSMB eh..I'm fascinated, because I belong to a DSMB myself.
http://s8.invisionfree.com/Military_Nuts/index.php?showtopic=83 -
Lets be realistic, ADF by whatever name we interprate it is not its actual name due to the fact that they can be disbanded if MINDEF decide that they are no longer needed as their main duties are to support the United Nation missions. Thats why their contract is much different from other regulars.
As for RDD, the only way MINDEF is going to actually create such a formation, is if they can justifiy it in Parliment for the increase in military spending. Just look at the cost that the U.S military spend ontop of its regular armed forces or just the deployment of its 82nd, 101, etc.
Before Lt Gen Winston Choo stand down as CDF, word was already going on about another Div or Marine capable unit/ formation. Now that PM Goh is going to stand down, the rumour is still going on.
We must understand this, everytime SAF/ MINDEF does something or buy something, it must answer not only to our Parliment but also to our "FRIENDLY" neighbours. -
RDD is already here, that I can ensure you , based on the recent acquistion.Originally posted by John Ching:As for RDD, the only way MINDEF is going to actually create such a formation, is if they can justifiy it in Parliment for the increase in military spending. Just look at the cost that the U.S military spend ontop of its regular armed forces or just the deployment of its 82nd, 101, etc.
Before Lt Gen Winston Choo stand down as CDF, word was already going on about another Div or Marine capable unit/ formation. Now that PM Goh is going to stand down, the rumour is still going on.
We must understand this, everytime SAF/ MINDEF does something or buy something, it must answer not only to our Parliment but also to our "FRIENDLY" neighbours.
The Chinooks, LG 105 lightguns, AMX-10s, LSD, LSV & even the Apaches etc
All this new acquistion is here for a purpose. Otherwise why r we spending on so much new things that give air-mobile & amphi capability!!!
And I dun think you are Sgaporean, becos if you are , you will know that Mindef never actually report to the Parliment & our "FRIENDLY" neighbours on any new plan or acquisition, new acquisition will only reveal to te public after the fact and some of them never being revealed!!!!!! -
adf is not formed just for peacekeeping missions. they are called the army 21 developmental force for obvious reasons - to experiment in developmental work in terms of military doctrines and equipment.Originally posted by John Ching:Lets be realistic, ADF by whatever name we interprate it is not its actual name due to the fact that they can be disbanded if MINDEF decide that they are no longer needed as their main duties are to support the United Nation missions. Thats why their contract is much different from other regulars.
As for RDD, the only way MINDEF is going to actually create such a formation, is if they can justifiy it in Parliment for the increase in military spending. Just look at the cost that the U.S military spend ontop of its regular armed forces or just the deployment of its 82nd, 101, etc.
Before Lt Gen Winston Choo stand down as CDF, word was already going on about another Div or Marine capable unit/ formation. Now that PM Goh is going to stand down, the rumour is still going on.
We must understand this, everytime SAF/ MINDEF does something or buy something, it must answer not only to our Parliment but also to our "FRIENDLY" neighbours.
they wont be disbanded - rather they would, i think, eventually be subsumed. -
Is itOriginally posted by John Ching:We must understand this, everytime SAF/ MINDEF does something or buy something, it must answer not only to our Parliment but also to our "FRIENDLY" neighbours. Answer to 'FRIENDLY' neighbours 
till 
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hmmm... subsumed is the word but not the whole ADF. guys in ADF will move out once contract end and go back into whatever unit they formally came from or just leave the force. the ppl will subsumedOriginally posted by wuming78:adf is not formed just for peacekeeping missions. they are called the army 21 developmental force for obvious reasons - to experiment in developmental work in terms of military doctrines and equipment.
they wont be disbanded - rather they would, i think, eventually be subsumed. ADF will stay for good.
Time serve in ADF are not taking into account of the normal tour of any regular ie to say no ranking nor promotion will be done during the 4 years contract. What ever rank they hold b4 enter into ADF, most likely you will see them come out the same 4 years later. That's what was told when they make the offer to me -
oh.. i was not thinking in those terms. i was thinking, eventually, adf would become a permanent outfit in itself.Originally posted by Joshua1975:hmmm... subsumed is the word but not the whole ADF. guys in ADF will move out once contract end and go back into whatever unit they formally came from or just leave the force. the ppl will subsumed ADF will stay for good.
Time serve in ADF are not taking into account of the normal tour of any regular ie to say no ranking nor promotion will be done during the 4 years contract. What ever rank they hold b4 enter into ADF, most likely you will see them come out the same 4 years later. That's what was told when they make the offer to me
hm.. so u mean to say for regulars going to adf does their career no good, and its almost like losing 4 yrs? i dont think so. there may not be promotion, but the tour is certainly recognised. -
if i'm not wrong.. the Singapore Army is not subordinated to the parliament.
somewhat like the reichwehr and the reichstag. -
har? wat do u mean?Originally posted by runningismylife:if i'm not wrong.. the Singapore Army is not subordinated to the parliament.
somewhat like the reichwehr and the reichstag. -
SAF answers to the defence minister... and the PRIME MINISTER in the AFC.Originally posted by John Ching:.
We must understand this, everytime SAF/ MINDEF does something or buy something, it must answer not only to our Parliment but also to our "FRIENDLY" neighbours.
SAF do not answer to the parliament directly... and the parliament does not have control over SAF development, purchase or operational issue... or anything.
we aint the US where defence projects must get congressional and senate approval every year....
AND WE DONT ANSWER to our "FRIENDLY' neighbours.... but they may choose to react in whichever way they see fit on their side of the border. -
An outfit in itself? Maybe but they are somehow under ATEC now.Originally posted by wuming78:oh.. i was not thinking in those terms. i was thinking, eventually, adf would become a permanent outfit in itself.
hm.. so u mean to say for regulars going to adf does their career no good, and its almost like losing 4 yrs? i dont think so. there may not be promotion, but the tour is certainly recognised.
Career no good? 'They' somehow feel this is one thing on the guys mind and I think they had made some changes and for sure the tour is not recognised but just take into consideration.
Guys in ADF and later move back to unit will find it hard to adapt the unit SOP somehow as they have get used to the 'moves' in ADF. I met a few during my course last year and some had just come back from oversea, and they keep saying behind the instructors back, where got like that one, sure die lar... talking about tactics and moves
But one thing for sure they are more recongnised for just been there. And one more thing is that they will be the one so call teaching the new technic to the BN in one way or another. -
than that would be an airborne armoured unit, not commando type unit.Originally posted by gary1910:I tot of that too.
All airborne troops dun have to be all foot soldlier.
They could be operating the air-droppable armoured asset like the Russian BMD-1,BMD-3 or the German Wiesel.
Now there is one NSF bn, and a NS Bn which is still within 1-6 ICTs, the older NS Bn which will be fully converted to a fully airborne armour Bn say in 6-10 ICTs.
Let's say is a fully Wiesel Bn, armed with 20mm cannon, Spike ,SAM variant of the Wiesel 1/2 AFV. For more firepower , maybe even with M8 Thunderbolt.
Therefore , this Bn will be less strenuous as they will air drop w/o fullpack, all their the rest of equipment will be in the air-dropped veh. And they will fight in their veh , supporting the fitter two Bn.
So in way still fully utilised combat fit commando(28-33 y.o.) in a less strenuous role & at the same time give the strike trooper more firepower.
both operate differently. -
Yup, an airborne combined arms type quick strike operation when all three Bn operate together.Originally posted by lion02:than that would be an airborne armoured unit, not commando type unit.
both operate differently.
Thus airborne Bde, something like 82nd or 101st. -
i think we are using the heli borne unit as airborne......still rapid deployment what...Originally posted by gary1910:Yup, an airborne combined arms type quick strike operation when all three Bn operate together.
Thus airborne Bde, something like 82nd or 101st.