Originally posted by gary1910:I think we do need another Bde , an airborne one.
Two Bn of commando, some for LRRP and some for strike, maybe we could expand on this and form another Bde.
I mean expand on the strike, afterall we already have two Bn of them, I know it will not be popular with some guys, ley them served 10 ICT and instead of 6 ICT.Originally posted by Joshua1975:![]()
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you ok
might as well say get 50,000 teams of SOFs
u might want to try jumping with full combat equipment at the age of 30 before u make comment of extending the ICT.Originally posted by gary1910:I mean expand on the strike, afterall we already have two Bn of them, I know it will not be popular with some guys, ley them served 10 ICT and instead of 6 ICT.
Now you will get your new airborne Bde w/o forming any new unit but delay the ROD of older unit becos most of them will be below 30. They r still fit for combat .
Originally posted by John Ching:In any case the current RDD is the ADF known as Army Decieve Force or UN peace-keeping force.
I tot of that too.Originally posted by lion02:u might want to try jumping with full combat equipment at the age of 30 before u make comment of extending the ICT.
You could join in the discussion abt 32 Div over here , we did it last month:Originally posted by LazerLordz:Yeah, and what about our 32nd Division. 21stDSMB eh..I'm fascinated, because I belong to a DSMB myself.
RDD is already here, that I can ensure you , based on the recent acquistion.Originally posted by John Ching:As for RDD, the only way MINDEF is going to actually create such a formation, is if they can justifiy it in Parliment for the increase in military spending. Just look at the cost that the U.S military spend ontop of its regular armed forces or just the deployment of its 82nd, 101, etc.
Before Lt Gen Winston Choo stand down as CDF, word was already going on about another Div or Marine capable unit/ formation. Now that PM Goh is going to stand down, the rumour is still going on.
We must understand this, everytime SAF/ MINDEF does something or buy something, it must answer not only to our Parliment but also to our "FRIENDLY" neighbours.![]()
adf is not formed just for peacekeeping missions. they are called the army 21 developmental force for obvious reasons - to experiment in developmental work in terms of military doctrines and equipment.Originally posted by John Ching:Lets be realistic, ADF by whatever name we interprate it is not its actual name due to the fact that they can be disbanded if MINDEF decide that they are no longer needed as their main duties are to support the United Nation missions. Thats why their contract is much different from other regulars.
As for RDD, the only way MINDEF is going to actually create such a formation, is if they can justifiy it in Parliment for the increase in military spending. Just look at the cost that the U.S military spend ontop of its regular armed forces or just the deployment of its 82nd, 101, etc.
Before Lt Gen Winston Choo stand down as CDF, word was already going on about another Div or Marine capable unit/ formation. Now that PM Goh is going to stand down, the rumour is still going on.
We must understand this, everytime SAF/ MINDEF does something or buy something, it must answer not only to our Parliment but also to our "FRIENDLY" neighbours.![]()
Is itOriginally posted by John Ching:We must understand this, everytime SAF/ MINDEF does something or buy something, it must answer not only to our Parliment but also to our "FRIENDLY" neighbours.![]()
hmmm... subsumed is the word but not the whole ADF. guys in ADF will move out once contract end and go back into whatever unit they formally came from or just leave the force. the ppl will subsumedOriginally posted by wuming78:adf is not formed just for peacekeeping missions. they are called the army 21 developmental force for obvious reasons - to experiment in developmental work in terms of military doctrines and equipment.
they wont be disbanded - rather they would, i think, eventually be subsumed.
oh.. i was not thinking in those terms. i was thinking, eventually, adf would become a permanent outfit in itself.Originally posted by Joshua1975:hmmm... subsumed is the word but not the whole ADF. guys in ADF will move out once contract end and go back into whatever unit they formally came from or just leave the force. the ppl will subsumedADF will stay for good.
Time serve in ADF are not taking into account of the normal tour of any regular ie to say no ranking nor promotion will be done during the 4 years contract. What ever rank they hold b4 enter into ADF, most likely you will see them come out the same 4 years later. That's what was told when they make the offer to me![]()
har? wat do u mean?Originally posted by runningismylife:if i'm not wrong.. the Singapore Army is not subordinated to the parliament.
somewhat like the reichwehr and the reichstag.
SAF answers to the defence minister... and the PRIME MINISTER in the AFC.Originally posted by John Ching:.
We must understand this, everytime SAF/ MINDEF does something or buy something, it must answer not only to our Parliment but also to our "FRIENDLY" neighbours.![]()
An outfit in itself? Maybe but they are somehow under ATEC now.Originally posted by wuming78:oh.. i was not thinking in those terms. i was thinking, eventually, adf would become a permanent outfit in itself.
hm.. so u mean to say for regulars going to adf does their career no good, and its almost like losing 4 yrs? i dont think so. there may not be promotion, but the tour is certainly recognised.
than that would be an airborne armoured unit, not commando type unit.Originally posted by gary1910:I tot of that too.
All airborne troops dun have to be all foot soldlier.
They could be operating the air-droppable armoured asset like the Russian BMD-1,BMD-3 or the German Wiesel.
Now there is one NSF bn, and a NS Bn which is still within 1-6 ICTs, the older NS Bn which will be fully converted to a fully airborne armour Bn say in 6-10 ICTs.
Let's say is a fully Wiesel Bn, armed with 20mm cannon, Spike ,SAM variant of the Wiesel 1/2 AFV. For more firepower , maybe even with M8 Thunderbolt.
Therefore , this Bn will be less strenuous as they will air drop w/o fullpack, all their the rest of equipment will be in the air-dropped veh. And they will fight in their veh , supporting the fitter two Bn.
So in way still fully utilised combat fit commando(28-33 y.o.) in a less strenuous role & at the same time give the strike trooper more firepower.
Yup, an airborne combined arms type quick strike operation when all three Bn operate together.Originally posted by lion02:than that would be an airborne armoured unit, not commando type unit.
both operate differently.
i think we are using the heli borne unit as airborne......still rapid deployment what...Originally posted by gary1910:Yup, an airborne combined arms type quick strike operation when all three Bn operate together.
Thus airborne Bde, something like 82nd or 101st.