those in the know... how?
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is there really no way a nsf can go thru bac or ranger course?
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airborne? ranger course? i thought that is possible (c.f. nsf commandos) ? but the priority for nsf is so low that it becomes almost nonevent.Originally posted by TVaddict:is there really no way a nsf can go thru bac or ranger course? -
I think he means if there is any way an NSF can go for the above.
Actually can, provided there are vacancies for the NSF, but priority still goes to the regulars. Unless you want to be special. -
yah.. that was what i meant - it is possible, except the priority for nsf is so low it becomes almost impossible.Originally posted by ditzy:I think he means if there is any way an NSF can go for the above.
Actually can, provided there are vacancies for the NSF, but priority still goes to the regulars. Unless you want to be special. -
BAC is basically off-limits for NSF (except commandos and certain Naval divers). The selection is more for regulars who require a confidence badge to get promoted. The best bet is to get in is the be either a commando, SAF regular or NCC. As far as I know, you can volunteer to take on the Ranger course if you're an NSF. Just that so far only one person is crazy enough to attempt that (and he passed as well).
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confirmed: nsfs are allowed to apply for ranger course again, starting with the coming one somewhere in the next few months. in fact my (nsf) pc is going.Originally posted by Obersturmfuhrer:BAC is basically off-limits for NSF (except commandos and certain Naval divers). The selection is more for regulars who require a confidence badge to get promoted. The best bet is to get in is the be either a commando, SAF regular or NCC. As far as I know, you can volunteer to take on the Ranger course if you're an NSF. Just that so far only one person is crazy enough to attempt that (and he passed as well).
btw, afaik, i don't think nsf divers go for bac. regulars yes, but i don't think nsfs do. -
You can go for RANGER course even when you've ORD. Its a volunteer course, except that you have to be a combat fighter by vocation of whatever unit.
If you are NSF, you still can go for it. Just extend your service by 6 months. But you must at least be a specialist in rank. -
NSF have gone for airborne course.To the best of my knowledge.
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i think you only need to be a corporal, afaik.Originally posted by John Ching:You can go for RANGER course even when you've ORD. Its a volunteer course, except that you have to be a combat fighter by vocation of whatever unit.
If you are NSF, you still can go for it. Just extend your service by 6 months. But you must at least be a specialist in rank. -
Isn't it common for NSF Commandos to have an airborne badge?I see it quite regularly.
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even after ORD? Any age limit? Any minimum rank after ORD?Originally posted by John Ching:You can go for RANGER course even when you've ORD. Its a volunteer course, except that you have to be a combat fighter by vocation of whatever unit.
If you are NSF, you still can go for it. Just extend your service by 6 months. But you must at least be a specialist in rank. -
For a moment, i thought Basic Assault Course...
Commandos and even Infantry SLs i have seen got that badge ... My wing got 2 Commandos and he told me that during his training, got one MSG going for his Master Freefall badge... he got the airborne badge with a yellow backing.. dunno what that was...
and by the way, whats the difference between a ranger tab with yellow,red and camou backing?
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all divers, be it nsf or regulars, must go through bac, during my time in the earily 90sOriginally posted by quivalen:btw, afaik, i don't think nsf divers go for bac. regulars yes, but i don't think nsfs do. -
one must pass airborne to be a commando.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Isn't it common for NSF Commandos to have an airborne badge?I see it quite regularly.
no commando wears a red beret without earning his airborne badge first. -
yellow backing airborne badge = jump-masterOriginally posted by Master -_-:For a moment, i thought Basic Assault Course...
Commandos and even Infantry SLs i have seen got that badge ... My wing got 2 Commandos and he told me that during his training, got one MSG going for his Master Freefall badge... he got the airborne badge with a yellow backing.. dunno what that was...
and by the way, whats the difference between a ranger tab with yellow,red and camou backing?
red backing airborne badge = commando parachutist
black backing airborne badge = diver parachutist
airborne badge w/o backing = normal parachutist
red ranger tab = singapore ranger trained
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BAC is basically off-limits for NSF (except commandos...Originally posted by LazerLordz:Isn't it common for NSF Commandos to have an airborne badge?I see it quite regularly.
Read the full sentence, dun skim.
lion02, i think the diver's backing was changed to blue. I overheard "Destroyer" telling the divers I took the course with that their backing would be blue. -
there's no such thing as a "master freefall" course. a master freefaller is merely someone who's done the requisite number of freefall jumps (somewhere around 25 for master, iirc. i think i saw it somewhere recently; i'll try and check).Originally posted by Master -_-:For a moment, i thought Basic Assault Course...
Commandos and even Infantry SLs i have seen got that badge ... My wing got 2 Commandos and he told me that during his training, got one MSG going for his Master Freefall badge... he got the airborne badge with a yellow backing.. dunno what that was...
and by the way, whats the difference between a ranger tab with yellow,red and camou backing?
unless you mean the advanced military freefall course. for freefall, there's only that and the military freefall course.
the yellow backing means he's an instructor ( not a jumpmaster as someone said ). jumpmasters don't have any special distinction on their badges.
red ranger = singapore ranger course
yellow = us ranger
the camo ranger badges are the same for both local and us courses, difference being that for both no.3 and no.4 badges, the us ranger tab is worn on the right sleeve while the local ranger tab is on the left sleeve (same as for foreign badges). -
to expound on that a little the difference between a 'normal' parachutist and a commando parachutist is that commandos ( and divers too ) go for module II of the bac which is the combat load phase. 'normal' parachutists are only trained to jump in clean fatigues - hence there isn't really any practical reason for them to undergo the course except to fulfill the confidence course requirement for regs.Originally posted by lion02:red backing airborne badge = commando parachutist
black backing airborne badge = diver parachutist
airborne badge w/o backing = normal parachutist
the red backing actually denotes the combat-load phase; but since generally only commandos do that, its akin to being a 'commando parachutist'. -
divers also goes for equipment jump (as what u mentioned as combat-load phase), but their backing is not red.Originally posted by quivalen:to expound on that a little the difference between a 'normal' parachutist and a commando parachutist is that commandos ( and divers too ) go for module II of the bac which is the combat load phase. 'normal' parachutists are only trained to jump in clean fatigues - hence there isn't really any practical reason for them to undergo the course except to fulfill the confidence course requirement for regs.
the red backing actually denotes the combat-load phase; but since generally only commandos do that, its akin to being a 'commando parachutist'.
their's was black during my time, was changed to blue as someone here mentioned.
there're some gaurds unit guys also goes for what u mention as combat-load phase (we call it equipment jump, combat jump means real operation jump)and keep his currency, but wears the wing without any backing. -
well yes, same thing.Originally posted by lion02:divers also goes for equipment jump (as what u mentioned as combat-load phase), but their backing is not red.
their's was black during my time, was changed to blue as someone here mentioned.
there're some gaurds unit guys also goes for what u mention as combat-load phase (we call it equipment jump, combat jump means real operation jump)and keep his currency, but wears the wing without any backing.
combat-load == equipment.
combat jump == tactical jump
incidentally have you ever done a combat jump before? just wondering whether its even possible in peacetime singapore ( dz size, weather, safety restrictions etc ) -
Apologies for replying as an unintended respondent...Originally posted by quivalen:incidentally have you ever done a combat jump before? just wondering whether its even possible in peacetime singapore ( dz size, weather, safety restrictions etc )
I saw that done during a BTEC.... but i'm not sure if it's for all BTECs. During NSF, some from my platoon including me were attached to a BTEC exercise, but not in Singapore. The BTEC reservists did combat jump and straight on to mission. I was attached to a safety vehicle for that event and had quite afew laughs seeing some of them getting stuck in trees while our vehicle raced to reach the "strays" and some clever ones landing in shallow duck ponds, much to the amusment of the ducks! I take my hat off to those guys in the Charlies for tolerating a stomach-churning ride... the planes made more than 15 (i kept count then) unsuccessful passes for about 1/2 hour due to strong wind conditions before we finally saw the first guy jumped out the door!
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hey thanks guys 4 the replies...
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oh... btw for nsf how long is the waiting list for bac and how long is the course for non-cdo personnel?
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if you mean tactical jump, yes, but not in singapore.Originally posted by quivalen:well yes, same thing.
combat-load == equipment.
combat jump == tactical jump
incidentally have you ever done a combat jump before? just wondering whether its even possible in peacetime singapore ( dz size, weather, safety restrictions etc )