Weapon Talk ~ Some of 'us' using them...
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Possible but improbable, have you tried to clear a spend cartridge from within the chamber of the M-16, not without breaking the weapon down into two, using a bayonet or pincers as the extractor claw cannot extend beyond the rim base.Originally posted by Tango1:ummm...actually not quite true. the AK 47 can actually fire NATO round, but it has to be chambered individually by the soldier, without the magazine. thus, the shooter has to pull back the bolt, chamber a NATO 7.62 round, and then fire it, after which he has to pull back the bolt again to extract the cartridge and rechamber another round....its more for survival should a soldier run outta ammo....
For an AK47 firing 7.62 x 39mm round to use the NATO 7.62x51 mm is another urban legend (see
While the NVA/Viet cong were desperate and did use 81mm motar ammo in 82mm motar tubes, did so with limited success as accuracy suffered and danger of misfire was common. -
No. It is not possible to fire a Nato 7.62x51mm round in the AK47 as the ammo for it is 7.62x39mm. The 51mm and 39mm refers to the case length of the round. Even if it were possible to chamber the round, the bolt will not close. The case of the Russian ammo is tapered while that of the Nato is parallel. Furthermore, the chamber pressure for the Nato round is so much higher than that of the Russian one.Originally posted by Tango1:ummm...actually not quite true. the AK 47 can actually fire NATO round, but it has to be chambered individually by the soldier, without the magazine. thus, the shooter has to pull back the bolt, chamber a NATO 7.62 round, and then fire it, after which he has to pull back the bolt again to extract the cartridge and rechamber another round....its more for survival should a soldier run outta ammo....
It _might_ be possible to fire a captured 81mm mortar bomb (NOT round as you stated - I should know - I was from the artillery) in an 82mm mortar. But that is because of the architecture of mortars and mortar bombs.Originally posted by Tango1:its all part of how the soviets build their weapons....typically tailored towards utilizing captured NATO ammo stocks if there was ever a WWIII. so even their MIGs and SUs have nozzle adaptors that can accept NATO-sized fuel nozzles should they overrun NATO airbases. Another example is the 82mm mortar that can fire U.S. 81mm rounds, but not the other way around.....widely done during the Vietnam war.
From what you had said, one may infer that it is possible to fire a 100mm tank round from a 105mm gun, but one would be wrong! -
Originally posted by dragonstar:
Second point answer is IMPOSSIBLE, as the gap between the 105mm tube and the 100mm round will mean than the gases may escape without propelling the round out of the tube!!
It _might_ be possible to fire a captured 81mm mortar [b]bomb (NOT round as you stated - I should know - I was from the artillery) in an 82mm mortar. But that is because of the architecture of mortars and mortar bombs.
From what you had said, one may infer that it is possible to fire a 100mm tank round from a 105mm gun, but one would be wrong![/b]
That is why you fire blanks with a blanks attachment which diverts enuff gas to work the recoil cycle. Does'nt work with flash suppressor only (hence Guard of Honour in NDP has to cock weapon after each fire d'joile). -
Try this simple experiment: take a cheap ball-point pen (like the Pilot BP-S), unscrew both ends, leave the pen inside the case, put one end in the mouth and blow. The pen shoots out even though the "gases" escape around the pen.Originally posted by baer:Second point answer is IMPOSSIBLE, as the gap between the 105mm tube and the 100mm round will mean than the gases may escape without propelling the round out of the tube!! -
Given enuff time a room full of monkeys could eventually type out the complete works of Shakespear. The point of firing a 100mm round is not to blow it out of the tube but to hit a traget at a range and do sufficient damage, not make a loud sound.Originally posted by dragonstar:Try this simple experiment: take a cheap ball-point pen (like the Pilot BP-S), unscrew both ends, leave the pen inside the case, put one end in the mouth and blow. The pen shoots out even though the "gases" escape around the pen. -
Several dozen AK 47's were retrieved in the late 70's and 80's from Vietnamese boat people who landed in Sg territory or who were passing through. I handled a couple in my day.
I am sure Sg has purchased additional new ones from various sources, for sure STI has them for calibration, testing and desgin purposes.