Singaporean Amphibous capability
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NDU would shift as soon as CNB is fully operational.Sembawang will more or less be shut down i believe.That was what i got from the head of Navy at the press and GRC talk at the naval open house.Originally posted by Geforce3:NDU is at sembawang
And yes it's very heavily fortified here.And you're forgetting the recruits on tekong
Anyway it's hard to say what Singapore's amphi capability is after all if they do requestion civilian boats then it will be alot more.... -
uncle.... you think astros are ICBM isit?Originally posted by Geforce3:aster sams are useless against astro's rockets, since they travel much much faster than the Surface to Surface missles or Air to Surface missles
let me tell you... its a rocket... with speeds dropping very quickly after the motor burnout.
by the time those rockets flies near the johor straits.. an F-16 can outfly it without afterburn.
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take a look at the photo people....
that part of land reclamation next to changi airport is HUGE!!!....
you can easily build another changi airport in that space and got enough land left to build afew toa payoh!!
looks like CAFB would be big... if not as big as TAB and PLAB. -
Well they can use the israeli phalcon system which has a long range then hawk-eye..Originally posted by tripwire:You all might say there's a E2-C Hawkeye....do you all know that there's a vulnerability with the E-2C hawkeye? ...
To counter it, i would use a civilian disguised 747 and fire a soviet missile at it..so the base wouldn't be alerted..
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ah pek, all civilian airline follow a controlled flightpath, and all the path requires approval from the respective air traffic controller, you think happy happy you can just anyhow fly har? wait kenna shot down they you see who cry.
and even if you do successfully shot down one Hawkeye, RSAF still have 3! but then... guess what will happen to any malaysian airlines that enter the RSAF sphere of control after such an incident...
yup... they will all get shot down on sight... thanks to your brilliance....
lastly, since when did airliners start carrying radars? somemore long range ones too? they minute they switch on their radar to look for the hawkeye, they are dead meat.
=pp unless malaysia built ties with israel lor -
Which also means densely-populated , the enemy uses cluster bombs your dead!Originally posted by tripwire:actually hor... that changi area is now the fortress of singapore..
you have the CNB, CAFB and Changi airport all 3 in the same place.
come war, malaysia astros wont dare to surprise hit changi AFB because very high chance sure hit changi airport with the tens of thoudsands of foreigners and hundreds of foreign airliner plus the large number of civilians there.
without surprise astro attack on all the usable airfields of RSAF.... their defeat is but a matter of time.
furthermore, the CNB would have constant visits by foreign major naval powers like USA, JAPAN, INDIA and maybe even PRC. if their missile suay suay hit an american carriers....
worst yet... the 3 runways at changi can easily allow RSAF to launch fighters by the squadrons simultaneously.
while the Formidable FFG with their aster30 would create an incredible air defence umbrella for RSAF.
each formidable FFG aster SAMs can simultaneously launch and track up to 24 targets, 6 FFG and you can have up to a staggering.. 144 aster missiles in the air locking onto 144 enemy aircraft or astros 2 rockets.
how many astros 2 rockets can they fire per salvo?
thats not including the I-hawks and other SAMs that may be placed at changi AFB.
those RMAF pilots thinking of doing a bombing run on changi must be either stupid or didnt know what they are getting themselves into....
It's the same logic..enemy use 1 grenade, inside 1 small room , everything all gone liao..
Please lor , If ASTROS fired at CNB , you think they will not spy whether will have "American Aircraft carriers"
If they are willing to war with us , they will also be willing to kill some foreigners .
The moment you press that button , you must be ready for a suitable outcome..
Don't forget , MIG-29 is capable of pulling 9G(S) with their strong airframe..
your missiles to them is nothing..after they get AWACS+ MID-AIR REFUELING
And btw, ASTERS costs more then the ASTROS....
ASTERS is a guided system and ASTROS is basically unguided system..
what a "Trade off"
If the enemy is willing , they would certainly bomb the runway like siao..
Those RMAF pilots are not dumb...lol , giving the need for Singapore to OWN STVOL fighters like F-35,I believe the northern pple now also know where our bases is located..
If they know where our "major" airbases is....we are seriously..DISABLED...
With F-35 STOVL fighters located around singapore , i feel it's a better alternative to keep it until the "airstrips" get repaired
Problem is , they could have some sorta landing strip in johor for re-fueling and stuffs..
Worst thing , they call in their "southern friend"
1. Cornered entirely
How are you going to fight your way out?
I read that the LEKIU-class naval ships is one of the most advanced in South East Asia..
To my fellow singaporeans:
"1 think you all don't know , is that reclaimed land soil is weaker then normal land soil...1 example of NICOLL highway , guess those pple on the top
didn't think about it huh?
Seriously , to destroy a base built on reclaim land is much easier.."
Please , if they wanna attack , they can do so , anytime..
we got 4 million pple , they got over 220 million...this is a malay peninsula and malay area stretching from southern thailand to almost papua new guinea..
We are seriously outnumbered......so if a possible war scenario happens , they can throw in as many troops as they want..
They are giving singapore "Face" by letting us....a mini chinese enclave and an "odd thumb" reside in Singapore , think we should compromise in times of war..and sign more peace treaties
Can you fight these?? I dread these weapons..all possessed by Malaysia
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read that the LEKIU-class naval ships is one of the most advanced in South East Asia..
WOW.
And this coming after he praised the PLAN for buying "nuclear armed Soveremny Class CGs"
So which one is more advanced. -
uncle ar.Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:Which also means densely-populated , the enemy uses cluster bombs your dead!
Please lor , If ASTROS fired at CNB , you think they will not spy whether will have "American Aircraft carriers"
If the enemy is willing , they would certainly bomb the runway like siao..
If they know where our "major" airbases is....we are seriously..DISABLED...
With F-35 STOVL fighters located around singapore , i feel it's a better alternative to keep it until the "airstrips" get repaired
Problem is , they could have some sorta landing strip in johor for re-fueling and stuffs..
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You use simi cluster bomb that can take out all three bases with one hit?
Past a nuclear airburst, there's no fricking conventional bomb that has such an effect.
Yes, i can just see M'sia standing up to a two carrier battle group.
Wow. MIG-29s. Su-30s. F/A-18s.
yes, of course they want to bomb the runway like siao. And we want to protect the runway like siao. so we have so many ways to defend our runway.
Yes, we also have "some sorta landing strip for refueling and stuffs".
Did you know that a lot of Russian aircraft have good roughfield charateristics? Of course you don.t,.
And i like to ask you, where the hell are F-35's? No air force yet deploys them.
big deal if the MIG-29 can pull 9Gs. Did you know what the G limit of the human body is? Did you know that most modern combat aircraft can pull many more Gs than that, only our human body cannot take it?
Can somebody do something about him????
He evades all the ripostes that we make, and goes on about something else. -
Johnston , a aircraft carrier parked is of no-threat
same vulnerability as a aircraft carrier in pearl harbor in 1940+
Same sort of vulnerability..
Just look at the pictures i posted...so intimidating...
best is to make peace with malaysians like wad LKY and GCT is doing...
=)
If you think USA AirCraft Carrier , will protect singapore, then i think ur dreaming..
WAHAHAHAHAHAH.............the 1st thing i will do is to send my aircraft carrier back to Guam..hahaha.. -
Can you fight these?? I dread these weapons..all possessed by Malaysia
Wow.
He's saying the SAF's weapons are crap.
So... what do you have there?
Lekiu DDGs?
T-72 MBTs?
MIGs? Sukhois?
We have a counter for all of those.
Namely.
Harpoon
Matador/Armburst/Milan/Carl Gustaf
IGLA/Hawk/30mm AA
And whole lots of fighters.
Also we happen to have a few SSKs, which can take care of Mr Lekiu with a torpedo or two. -
Oh, yes.Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:Johnston , a aircraft carrier parked is of no-threat
same vulnerability as a aircraft carrier in pearl harbor in 1940+
best is to make peace with malaysians like wad LKY and GCT is doing...
=)
And it goes as a certainty while the CV is parked, the ships of the escort group, and the air wing are of no threat too.
Can you tell me if at any time the IJN managed to make a strike on a carrier in port??
SOOOOO intimidating.
Yes.
I dont want to tell you what the SAF is supposed to have, or you'd crap your pants. -
just ignore him.Originally posted by Johnston:Can somebody do something about him????
He evades all the ripostes that we make, and goes on about something else. -
What the royal crap.
If you think USA AirCraft Carrier , will protect singapore, then i think ur dreaming..
WAHAHAHAHAHAH.............the 1st thing i will do is to send my aircraft carrier back to Guam..hahaha..
No, i think the USN CVBG will protect singapore.
Since when a NCC kay-det has a aircraft carrier.
Back to Guam. Interesting.
Carrier berths at Guam? -
too bad you don't own them.Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:WAHAHAHAHAHAH.............the 1st thing i will do is to send my aircraft carrier back to Guam..hahaha.. -
So basically you are saying that since S'pore is so hopelessly outgunned & out numbered, we should just drop our balls & do everything that M'sia and/or Indonesia says, since they are so "gracious" to let us reside in S'pore, and in the event of war, we should just throw down our arms & sign peace treaties.
Well that being the case, might as well just disband the SAF & pay the MAF to defend us. Better still right? Why don't we just open our borders & tell M'sia that they can come in anytime they want to do anything they want. Isn't that even better?
Please lah! In the first place, war between S'pore and M'sia will be a very complicated issue since ppl on both sides have relatives on both sides. Just as much as certain politicians worry about whether our Malays will be willing to kill M'sians during war, I'm sure M'sia worries about that too. Whether Malay, Chinese or Indian, most of us have relatives across the border & that makes it that much more complex. And don't forget, S'pore & M'sia are both members of ASEAN & also FPDA. That complicates things even further.
But first & foremost, we should remember that SAF has always been meant to defend S'pore, we never intended for it to be an offensive force. No one (at least not anyone logical) is saying the SAF will kick MAF's butt in the event of war & that MAF will be a pushover. What we are saying however, is that despite our size, we are certainly capable of giving MAF a bloody nose & a bruised testicle should they decide to invade us.
The keyword here gentlemen is DETERENCE. We build up an armed force which MAY or may not be powerful enough to defeat the enemy during war time, but this force first & foremost is to DETER the enemy. So that they do not think they can just stroll past us. So that they will think twice before invading, knowing full well that they too will suffer significant casualties. -
an aircraft carrier first line of defense is its 24hr combat air patrol and when things get too close for comfort.. that is still the palanx and an aircraft carrier carry more than just one of this baby.Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:Johnston , a aircraft carrier parked is of no-threat
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And if I may add, instead of wasting time talking about how MAF is gonna kick our butt or how we are gonna kick their's, why not spend your time on something more fruitful like discussing how we can solve the existing problems & prevent potential ones so that war NEVER EVER breaks out between our 2 countries?
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all i know is that mindef.gov.sg listed DOWN all SAF equipments.Originally posted by Johnston:Oh, yes.
And it goes as a certainty while the CV is parked, the ships of the escort group, and the air wing are of no threat too.
Can you tell me if at any time the IJN managed to make a strike on a carrier in port??
SOOOOO intimidating.
Yes.
I dont want to tell you what the SAF is supposed to have, or you'd crap your pants.
When i visited mindef.gov.sg , i didn't crap my pants , cause there's a link which shows ALL OF the SAF equipment we had.
woops , sorry , i meant that IJN would have wiped out the carrier fleet if it was not on sea at that time.
Even the backup battleships , some went down...
Please lor..when the ship is parked..you still all the crew all stay inside the ship? Hahahahaha , most of them most likely on the base ... -
yeah.. only a total of 22 F-35 were built so far and they were all based on california and maryland.Originally posted by Johnston:And i like to ask you, where the hell are F-35's? No air force yet deploys them. -
Thats why , i was mentioning to johnston ,Originally posted by esesce:And if I may add, instead of wasting time talking about how MAF is gonna kick our butt or how we are gonna kick their's, why not spend your time on something more fruitful like discussing how we can solve the existing problems & prevent potential ones so that war NEVER EVER breaks out between our 2 countries?
we singaporeans should be more accomodating to malaysia..
they want us to pay more $$ for water..why not??
Scarly they shut out water supply we die ler
Not that i don't believe in SAF,
it's that our food and water supplies are very limited..
If they can hold us back for a few months..
most likely....we're dead..
all our necessities all come from outside..
JUST IMAGINE..they stop sending eggs...we suffer like fk.. -
Singapore gonna get those...some of the F-35 will be based on the STOVL similar to harrier platform..Originally posted by YI:yeah.. only a total of 22 F-35 were built so far and they were all based on california and maryland.
as a 4th level participant..think we should try to get more..
Not throw down our arms , it's that we must know that this land is originally inhabited by their "indigenous" pple..Originally posted by esesce:So basically you are saying that since S'pore is so hopelessly outgunned & out numbered, we should just drop our balls & do everything that M'sia and/or Indonesia says, since they are so "gracious" to let us reside in S'pore, and in the event of war, we should just throw down our arms & sign peace treaties.
Well that being the case, might as well just disband the SAF & pay the MAF to defend us. Better still right? Why don't we just open our borders & tell M'sia that they can come in anytime they want to do anything they want. Isn't that even better?
Please lah! In the first place, war between S'pore and M'sia will be a very complicated issue since ppl on both sides have relatives on both sides. Just as much as certain politicians worry about whether our Malays will be willing to kill M'sians during war, I'm sure M'sia worries about that too. Whether Malay, Chinese or Indian, most of us have relatives across the border & that makes it that much more complex. And don't forget, S'pore & M'sia are both members of ASEAN & also FPDA. That complicates things even further.
But first & foremost, we should remember that SAF has always been meant to defend S'pore, we never intended for it to be an offensive force. No one (at least not anyone logical) is saying the SAF will kick MAF's butt in the event of war & that MAF will be a pushover. What we are saying however, is that despite our size, we are certainly capable of giving MAF a bloody nose & a bruised testicle should they decide to invade us.
The keyword here gentlemen is DETERENCE. We build up an armed force which MAY or may not be powerful enough to defeat the enemy during war time, but this force first & foremost is to DETER the enemy. So that they do not think they can just stroll past us. So that they will think twice before invading, knowing full well that they too will suffer significant casualties.
Not to disband SAF , think that we should compromise...man..they are really getting stronger and stronger...
How can we keep our defense spending to match the GDP of 2 countries??
All i know is that SAF gonna be in trouble if any stuff happens *prays*
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you wanna bet? base so damn hot.. who in the correct mind want to walk around...Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:Please lor..when the ship is parked..you still all the crew all stay inside the ship? Hahahahaha , most of them most likely on the base ...
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no doubt.. mutual benefit had always played a part in singapore foreign policy. we are going to benefit greatly just from the technology exchange alone.Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:Singapore gonna get those...some of the F-35 will be based on the STOVL similar to harrier platform..
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Please do not misinterpret my words. What I said was that we should find ways to solve existing problems. I said nothing about giving way to them. Problem is once you give way once, they will expect it each & everytime. Then what are you gonna do? Kowtow to them forever?Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:Thats why , i was mentioning to johnston ,
we singaporeans should be more accomodating to malaysia..
they want us to pay more $$ for water..why not??
Scarly they shut out water supply we die ler
Not that i don't believe in SAF,
it's that our food and water supplies are very limited..
If they can hold us back for a few months..
most likely....we're dead..
all our necessities all come from outside..
JUST IMAGINE..they stop sending eggs...we suffer like fk.. -
Your wrong, they would come down...after so many days on the sea..Originally posted by YI:you wanna bet? base so damn hot.. who in the correct mind want to walk around...
Do you know that you can actually spot american sailors around singapore...
not saying we should kowtow , they should also understand our position..Originally posted by esesce:Please do not misinterpret my words. What I said was that we should find ways to solve existing problems. I said nothing about giving way to them. Problem is once you give way once, they will expect it each & everytime. Then what are you gonna do? Kowtow to them forever?
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you really should look behind the photos and study the specs of the machine.Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:Just look at the pictures above...very intimidating..