How to become recce scout?
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I'd like to be a motorcycle recce scout. I've indicated interest to my PC, what else can I do to improve my chances? I'm PES B, but my IPPT is gold. I don't have a bike licence, will that pull me down?
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Sign on?Originally posted by lurska:I've indicated interest to my PC, what else can I do to improve my chances?
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mimick urself riding a motor bike whenever u see ur PC den i think u can make it
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Make yourself standout whenever your S2 passby or within the visibility...
Dunno who is your S2?
minus 20 points
Dunno what is S2? minus 50 points
Dunhab a S2? minus 100 points -
dunno leh... they claimed to have certain criterias for selecting scouts. last time during my bmt, i was called up for the interview for scout so i think the selection for scout is during ur bmt...
no bike license doesn't affect ur chance at all... -
hmmm....
why the interest in recce?
too much tom clancy?
Originally posted by lurska:I'd like to be a motorcycle recce scout. I've indicated interest to my PC, what else can I do to improve my chances? I'm PES B, but my IPPT is gold. I don't have a bike licence, will that pull me down? -
I've never read a Tom Clancy book in my whole life.Originally posted by teriyaki_chicken:hmmm....
why the interest in recce?
too much tom clancy? -
i don't see how tom clancy is related to being a recce scout.Originally posted by teriyaki_chicken:hmmm....
why the interest in recce?
too much tom clancy? -
Kaoz...who in their right mind would wanna be a recce scout? Anyway, Ghost Recon was made famous by Tom. If you dont even know Ghost Recon, Why the hell you wanna be in recon for?
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First things first, Ghost Recon has NOTHING to do with recce or scouts.
Why do you want to be a scout?
Hate to prick your bubble but Bn scouts do not ride bikes, only BRC does.
Add another pin to your balloon party, the bikes are not used for 99% of operation/excercises.
One more pin, you now have one more thing to maintain other than your "wife" and your bunk area.
But before my former commander hunts me down to strangle the shet outta me, I will tell you this. To get into the BRC, it depends on your intake. If one of the companies are gonna ORD soon, the Bde S2 will go "hunting" for more victims in BMTC ie. give talks on how glamorous it is to join BRC and so on so forth. Alternatively, you can also be "selected" after completing the BSLC in SISPEC. Last option is to stupidly opt for it before commisioning from OCS -
actually bn scouts do ride bikes...
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You'd be better off being a DYS2 if you are fit and eligible for OCS.
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Ok guess now's the time for me to step in.
I just got my jungle hat recently, so I figure I am in a good position to tell you my experience. I am a battalion scout. Essentially, this is a platoon of scouts. The structure is like this:
2 commanders, 1 signaler, a basher and a driver
The ratio of commanders to troopers is 2:3 (very high, guarantee that you will know your commanders inside out by the time your course ends)
The scout platoon is under the S2 (Intelligence branch)
It all started back in my BMT, when suddenly one of the instructors asked me and two more guys to fall in. It happened that we were going to be interviewed by some unit to be scouts.
The scout PS and (for my case) S4 came to do the interview. Here's the lowdown on what they told me:
1) Nobody to disturb you outfield (essentially, it is your team alone out there, and as long as you deliever the goods, they won't disturb you)
2) Physical training is like hell, but very satisfactory
3) You will be cool (Jungle hat, no more helmet, except for live firing, and for sitting in the jeep)
4) You will handle cool expensive gadgets (like the NVG, etc...)
Ok... the response was not very good (they did the interview en-mass), but I was among the few who put their names down. Those who didn't ended up inside the platoon with me anyway... (talk about options )
Then when I reported to the unit, we did advanced infantry training. That meant more section movement drills, and the lot. Then came the nice part.
Vehicle course. The PS picked, from the whole platoon, 8 people to go for the motorbike course. The rest went to the jeep course. Those who went to the motorbike course would end up as signalers... (and I am one of the 8...) The course was stay-out, which meant I could go home everyday and drool
After getting the bike licence, we went for the ISPC (Infantry Scout Platoon Course), where we were split into our teams and did training together. It was plenty of fun, and tough too. We had MOI (Memory of Information) which required us to do A LOT of PT before memorising a picture. Then they would ask us questions about the pictures. Get it wrong, and its ONE MORE TIME...
We also had infiltration training, amongst which included doing all sorts of crawls, in the mud (the instructors gleefully poured water to make the thing even more muddy). My team was among the last few ones to start the thing and the whole path by then looked like it was a mini canal... Needless to say, we emerged looking like a Plaster of Paris.
We also had to do everything in full battle order. Not the normal one mind you, we had even more stuff inside, not unlike the NDP goodie bag. Stuff ranges from wire cutters, to flags... The signaler also has the heaviest field pack, because he has to carry the darned signal set, with batteries everywhere, and is usually the last one to put his field pack down.
All in all, the course was tiring, but plenty of fun. In fact, the PS commented that the whole platoon was just plain out of our minds (which is quite true, if you hear the amount of crap we talk each time we have nothing to do)
Anyway, the course ended with a 8 day summary exercise, and a trip up to Elephant hill for the jungle hat presentation ceremony. Actually, I have photos of it, see my blog (http://pkchukiss.blogspot.com) for some of it.
I heard that to qualify to be a scout, you need to have a certain amount of security clearance, something which even now I don't understand...
And I am PES B, only just passed my IPPT and SOC. Go figure. -
security clearance means basically that your background and profile will be checked. those who do not pass this clearance will not be able to qualify for sensitive vocations. most of the vocations within the support company (which includes the scouts) require some level of security clearance. there has been cases where one who has passed the specialisation course for a vocation within the company subsequently lose his security clearance due to one reason or another, and thus have to leave the support company.Originally posted by pkchukiss:I heard that to qualify to be a scout, you need to have a certain amount of security clearance, something which even now I don't understand...
And I am PES B, only just passed my IPPT and SOC. Go figure.
anyway perhaps pkchukiss can also enlighten us on the differences between the Bn Scouts and the BRC?
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Geez... for BRC I am not that sure, but this is what I do know:
1) BRC has one person to a bike, but scouts have two signalers on a bike, and the rest on the jeep. (That means 2 teams to a bike)
2) BRC is dispatched earlier than the scouts, and they cover a wider area (walk more), and are more "General" based than scouts. -
ya for them to travel along singapore roads..to reach exercise location..after that those bikes are loaded onto tonner..cos signallers wouldnt be using them..cos they are travelling on foot together wif the whole team..Originally posted by TVaddict:actually bn scouts do ride bikes...
conclusion?bike no use..be a jeep driver betta..cos who know?u may even urself a license...and I MEAN CIVILIAN License if u manage to clock 7000km during ur nsf time..(i dont know if the rules have changed..most probably not..since i ord 6 mths back)
being biker...no speed limit..70,80 km/hr..but wouldnt get to ride it often.
being driver..50km/hr..or even less...40+..the speed limiter go alarm..but gt the chance to get license..during exercise..jeep drivers travel ard..pick up officers,enciks from location to location...do patrolling on roads tat enemy may pass thru..act as defence forces..cos tat's a GMPG mounted..one execise..can gif u hundreds of mileage.. -
True, but you cannot deny that bikes are more fun. Plus they reach camp earlier than the other 50KPH vehicles after exercise.
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true is fun...becos of the speed at u going..of cos u reach back camp faster..haha..but no ppl at camp..u cant send arms..still nid to wait for all back to do declaration of arms..clear arms..Originally posted by Obersturmfuhrer:True, but you cannot deny that bikes are more fun. Plus they reach camp earlier than the other 50KPH vehicles after exercise.
but imagine if u are fatigue..tired..after a lot of of exercise walk..bashing..still nid to carry sbo..rifle on urself..drive thru the long distance back camp..tats erm..TIRED..
jeep driver also have a bad bad point
..tats when it rain..and it rain damn heavily.. u cant see the road cos u r blinded by the pain inflicted by the rain on ur eyes..ur face..only way out is to use one hand driving..the other hand over the eyes to keep the water getting into them.the seat also collect water..make ur pant soak to full wetness.terrible -
the drivers have it worse - 50km/h on the expressway, at night - sure to sleep!Originally posted by xiao_mao:true is fun...becos of the speed at u going..of cos u reach back camp faster..haha..but no ppl at camp..u cant send arms..still nid to wait for all back to do declaration of arms..clear arms..
but imagine if u are fatigue..tired..after a lot of of exercise walk..bashing..still nid to carry sbo..rifle on urself..drive thru the long distance back camp..tats erm..TIRED..
when i did my conversion course which involved driving more than an hour to the trg area every morning and night, i almost got into an accident on a few occasions. ridiculous, really - sometimes the saf is so safety safety safety when it comes to small things where you can't hurt yourself let alone others, but they're ok with you driving a vehicle down the expressway on 4-5 hours of sleep a night, every night?jeep driver also have a bad bad point
aren't you issued goggles? the rain is one thing; another is when you drive in the trg area a hell lotta dust is kicked up by the vehicle in front - impossible to keep your eyes open without goggles. ..tats when it rain..and it rain damn heavily.. u cant see the road cos u r blinded by the pain inflicted by the rain on ur eyes..ur face..only way out is to use one hand driving..the other hand over the eyes to keep the water getting into them.the seat also collect water..make ur pant soak to full wetness.terrible
i heard the emart is going to stock goggles soon, though. -
which conversion test do u mean?from military to civilian?
jeep drivers also dun get enough sleep unless no disturbance from the HQ commanders.want to rest also difficult..with the signal set behind buzzing all nite..jeep is cramp space..only manage to find a gd spot..lie on the front 2 seat..but the 4x4 gear is hindering..hurt the back.
googles?ya issued but who the hell wear those..it look like some freaking aliens..dun wanna be laugh by road users..and its uncomfortable..every exercise we inhaled lots of dust..blind by dust from LCK..esp if u are behind vehicles..so always try means and ways to be the 1st vehicle in convey
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but those googles are similar to the ones worn by special ops troops in desert operations.Originally posted by xiao_mao:googles?ya issued but who the hell wear those..it look like some freaking aliens..dun wanna be laugh by road users..
Think somalia '93. -
erm..i dunno that..but the goggles frame are brown in colour..and the condition they are in..are bad..the sponge-like thing always drop off.
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Hmm, interesting aspect coz my armskoteman rides with us. Combat trooper and not storeman.Originally posted by xiao_mao:true is fun...becos of the speed at u going..of cos u reach back camp faster..haha..but no ppl at camp..u cant send arms..still nid to wait for all back to do declaration of arms..clear arms.. Then again, might differ for different units. -
Yeah, the conditions of the issued googles really leaves much to be desired. Which is why I spend a little extra to get a better pair. Quite handy for doing TAG ops and other stuff as well.Originally posted by xiao_mao:erm..i dunno that..but the goggles frame are brown in colour..and the condition they are in..are bad..the sponge-like thing always drop off. -
no lah, we always travel as a convoy with the jeepers...Originally posted by Obersturmfuhrer:True, but you cannot deny that bikes are more fun. Plus they reach camp earlier than the other 50KPH vehicles after exercise.