tracer rounds
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wonder what's the purpose ?
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for night shooting..
first round tracer so u can shoot and see if ur round hit the target. if it does u hit it continously .... mai teng mai tengOriginally posted by bismarck:wonder what's the purpose ? -
So you know where your shots are heading and landing to in the dark dark night.
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as in used in wars or ranges ?
i mean if wars, it would be a dead giveaway right ? -
Yeah, used in wars and training. Works both ways, what a pity.Originally posted by bismarck:as in used in wars or ranges ?
i mean if wars, it would be a dead giveaway right ? -
nite range and nite live firing...
in war.... got round better than no rounds... mai hiam
Originally posted by bismarck:as in used in wars or ranges ?
i mean if wars, it would be a dead giveaway right ? -
Well,it works both ways.Tracer can also be used to direct you forces fire to the general or point direction of the enemy.
Personally,I feel that if possible,it is always advisible to load the first two/three rounds of a magazinewith tracer and the last round a tracer too.If permitted,it would be ideal to load every 5th round of a mag with a tracer,and the first five with tracer.
This is to allow the firer to upon firing the 1st shot see where it lands and follow up,and with the subsequent shots directed in the same direction.And when the mag is close to finishing,can be notified as the last shots are all tracer.Thus signifying a time to reload. -
Think usage of tracer rounds is SOP, depending on unitOriginally posted by SpecOps87:Well,it works both ways.Tracer can also be used to direct you forces fire to the general or point direction of the enemy.
Personally,I feel that if possible,it is always advisible to load the first two/three rounds of a magazinewith tracer and the last round a tracer too.If permitted,it would be ideal to load every 5th round of a mag with a tracer,and the first five with tracer.
This is to allow the firer to upon firing the 1st shot see where it lands and follow up,and with the subsequent shots directed in the same direction.And when the mag is close to finishing,can be notified as the last shots are all tracer.Thus signifying a time to reload.
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well..when they still mounted guns on heavy bombers and ships, tracers make it easier for them to aim..sort of like using a water hose like that
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huh, i thought all recruits are taught the loading combo at bmt?Originally posted by SpecOps87:Well,it works both ways.Tracer can also be used to direct you forces fire to the general or point direction of the enemy.
Personally,I feel that if possible,it is always advisible to load the first two/three rounds of a magazinewith tracer and the last round a tracer too.If permitted,it would be ideal to load every 5th round of a mag with a tracer,and the first five with tracer.
This is to allow the firer to upon firing the 1st shot see where it lands and follow up,and with the subsequent shots directed in the same direction.And when the mag is close to finishing,can be notified as the last shots are all tracer.Thus signifying a time to reload. -
wat colour r there? onli say red b4...
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Yes, I thought it was every 3rd round you load would be a tracer. Practice was different. But the theory was such.Originally posted by fett:huh, i thought all recruits are taught the loading combo at bmt?
By the way, the tracer also has incendiary effects. It will more likely , because of the tracer chemical on the bullet tip, ignite some inflammable substance , than a normal round. -
carrect. and brutus, i think we only have red tracer, give my limited exposure.Originally posted by specfore:Yes, I thought it was every 3rd round you load would be a tracer. Practice was different. But the theory was such.
By the way, the tracer also has incendiary effects. It will more likely , because of the tracer chemical on the bullet tip, ignite some inflammable substance , than a normal round. -
in war no matter wad kind of rounds u're using, the enemy can still see where u're firing from due to the explosion of rounds creating a bright spark at the muzzle of ur weapon...
tracer rounds are juz to direct ur buddies rounds to the target or vice versa.... -
Right, that is why you have blinking light during nite shoot, so to simulate enemy muzzle flash.Originally posted by DarrenWong:in war no matter wad kind of rounds u're using, the enemy can still see where u're firing from due to the explosion of rounds creating a bright spark at the muzzle of ur weapon...
tracer rounds are juz to direct ur buddies rounds to the target or vice versa.... -
Have seen red and green tracer rounds before.But when u load an entire belt of 7.62 Tracer for the GPMG,and fire it,you will get an entire star-wars effect.Woohoo!!!!wahahah,and yes,its true that the round will ignite flammabe substances when it has not burned out yet.Saw some cock during the night shoot at the Army Open house,shoot at the wooden range marker,and the tracer just simply burn a hole there.The round basically just get stuck and burns there.
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Tracer are use at night. This is because it is hard to tell or point to where the enemy is, so when enemy is spotted , you shoot at him, everyone in the team just see where your tracer fly to will know enemy is there.
Usually it is every fifth rounds, you don't want too much tracers, as it wear out your barrel faster and let enemy know where you are also.
Tracers round is good for ignite things like flamiable stuff. Use tracer to shoot at gas tanks and stuff. -
that's why tracers are used sparingly. (one in every five) so to reduce your "signature"
and flash supressors are used to, well, supress flashes at the muzzle. -
Agree that tracer rounds are basically to check accuracy at night (variously interpretable).
With regards of the effects "working both ways", I'll say the 1st enemy instinct isn't so much to see immediately where you're firing from, but rather which direction the rounds are coming from - & taking appropriate defensive cover accordingly.
Imagine it being pitch dark & all you hear, like a blindman, is the rifle report. How to take cover? -
Tracers have a burning element on the base of the bullet. When fired most of the light is seen after the bullet actually flies past you. Looking head on it is possible but difficult to determine the source of the tracer round, although from an angle it is easier.
It is seldom able to ignite anything when shot at unless the bullet stays long enough on any flamable material to spark anything. Forget Hollywood, a burning car or fuel tank seldoms explodes with such dramatic effect when shot with tracers, its more the fumes catching fire after it has split a bit.
Infantry SOP combat load is a mix of tracers, ball, ball... tracer... ball etc to indicate first and last few rounds (leave it at that). -
not only at night, right? it also help in target indication in day light, too
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would it be able to even see where yr tracer hits ?
i mean if i shoot a tracer to an enemy soldier, would i be able to see him being hit with 1? assuming he was it with my tracer? -
Oh, I always thought the blinking red light was to simulate the enemy having a smoke. : )Originally posted by gary1910:Right, that is why you have blinking light during nite shoot, so to simulate enemy muzzle flash.
Anyway, has anyone ever fired tracers at night into the sea or any body of water?
We did this during one beach defence excercise.
This is what happens:
You see the tracer travelling in a straight line towards the target in the sea. But as the lit bullet enters the water, the light kinda bounces upwards.
All the tracer rounds whether GPMG 7.62 or 5.56 all behaved like this. Every one initially thought that the bullet is bouncing up as it hits the water.
My guess is that the phosphrous coating or whatever causes the bullet to glow leaves the bullet the minute it enters the water. That's why we see this light bouncing up. The bullet still enters the water. -
COOL EFFECTS !Originally posted by tvdog:Oh, I always thought the blinking red light was to simulate the enemy having a smoke. : )
Anyway, has anyone ever fired tracers at night into the sea or any body of water?
We did this during one beach defence excercise.
This is what happens:
You see the tracer travelling in a straight line towards the target in the sea. But as the lit bullet enters the water, the light kinda bounces upwards.
All the tracer rounds whether GPMG 7.62 or 5.56 all behaved like this. Every one initially thought that the bullet is bouncing up as it hits the water.
My guess is that the phosphrous coating or whatever causes the bullet to glow leaves the bullet the minute it enters the water. That's why we see this light bouncing up. The bullet still enters the water.
My most memorable was platoon night LF. I was in the support section armed with GPMG, 60mm mortar (for firing illum rounds only), and the rest of the section armed with M16 HB on bipods (heavy barrels... this was the time in 1983 when the SAW was not in full service). Ammo load was one in 3 rounds tracer.
The M16 HB operators were allowed to fire burst of 3 to 5 rounds.
I was the only idiot with ordinary M16 and had to fire single directed fire (I was also the nominated section i/c which explains my equipment). GPMG was also firing tracer but not sure of the tracer load.
We were firing over the heads of the other sections moving up the enemy objective.
THAT WAS ONE GREAT LIGHT SHOW. All the different weapons had different light effects. -
Yup , Sudong defence nite live firing , one of the best experience encountered in my army stint.
My whole section exchanged weapons to fire with eachother weapon, the only opportunity for me to fire my M-16 in full auto mode with live rounds.
You will see all kind of infantry weapons firing due to the tracer and illum rounds. A sight like firework but with sound effects!!!!!