Tragedy in SAF
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I personally witnessed the overturning of a AMX13-SM1 on 07/07/1994 in Basic Main Range during a Armour Skill & Arms practice where the vehicle tank commander was crushed to death. The young 20 years old 2SG died on the spot with a crushed face. So sad !!
Barely a year ago in 1993, one of this 2SG's commander tank also overturned and died on the foot of Jasmine in TVMA.
I am just trying to share these unhappy incidents and hope for no repeated accidents. -
For a soldier to get killed before fighting is a tragic waste
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For a soldier that can fight but not allow to fight is also another tragic waste
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Totally AGREE!Originally posted by martin_lim85:For a soldier that can fight but not allow to fight is also another tragic waste -
Every year, there are many accidents happen in SAF. If go back to the fundamental, it comes back to never follow kasui safety procedure. Unless, the bomb exploded like the one happen in live firing NZ which faulty fuse bought from US.Originally posted by flash9933:I am just trying to share these unhappy incidents and hope for no repeated accidents. -
Do you mean the artillery incident many years back? That was my friends bro.Originally posted by seachfun:Every year, there are many accidents happen in SAF. If go back to the fundamental, it comes back to never follow kasui safety procedure. Unless, the bomb exploded like the one happen in live firing NZ which faulty fuse bought from US. -
not much of a waste to mi, war is hell, in case u forget wat war means ...Originally posted by martin_lim85:For a soldier that can fight but not allow to fight is also another tragic waste -
CIS bought the fuze was bought from a firm in USA, but the American company sub-contracted the production to a Chinese company. SAF tightened purchasing procedures since then and the US and Chinese companies were banned from supplying us.Originally posted by seachfun:Every year, there are many accidents happen in SAF. If go back to the fundamental, it comes back to never follow kasui safety procedure. Unless, the bomb exploded like the one happen in live firing NZ which faulty fuse bought from US. -
this isn't war. its loss of life in training? isn't it a waste?Originally posted by BeEtHoVeN:not much of a waste to mi, war is hell, in case u forget wat war means ...
war is a waste of everything if you ask me... -
the fuse was from usOriginally posted by seachfun:Every year, there are many accidents happen in SAF. If go back to the fundamental, it comes back to never follow kasui safety procedure. Unless, the bomb exploded like the one happen in live firing NZ which faulty fuse bought from US. -
thought the gun commander was the only son? or are you refering to the layer?Originally posted by eurofighter:Do you mean the artillery incident many years back? That was my friends bro. -
Many years ago another tragic accident this time involve only one man.
This one also involve armour. What I understand was that someone on the ground got shot by the vehicle-mounted 7.62 GPMG at very close range becos of accidental discharge or something.
The trooper was shot in the thigh but despite immediate action done to save his life, he bled to death. The femora artery or something was severed.
This one to me was particularly tragic because you would think that someone shot in the leg during training in Singapore could have been saved easily. -
I have heard abt the story that tvdog have said by my SOA instructors. It happened after a live-firing exercise in Crescendo. They have an IA at the range but didn't clear it there,instead they went back to vehicle shed. One crew member(i think is tank comdr) is clearing the IA back in the vehicle shed when a shot is fired and hit a driver doing AOS on another tank directly opposite.The round first hit the opposite tank then hit his thigh. That poor guy died....Come to think of it Jasmine knoll seems to be the steepest among the knolls in the training areas,so it is highly possible that accidents can happen. However i think after the accident, they have made the track flatter and thus safer. Remember your TSR,Safety first guys!
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I also heard a drowning case from those lao-jiao during one of the ICT.
It was back in 1984 during a floation exercise where a soldier was drown in the current floation reservoir. Apparently, when the M113 was sinking, the poor chap was entangled by his barang barang, ie webbing and weapon. He was drowned. During that time, his platoon sergeant, now I think a warrant officer(AngTH). His buddy dream of him asking him to burn his belongings ... till now the M113 is still deep in that reservoir.
Becos of this case, the SAF started to train using the Jettison drill during floation training. -
Aniwae, from a story from my uncles...
i heard that a group of A-4 Skyhawks in the philippines not long ago..
were flying..and since the A-4 Skyhawks were not upgraded to SU version at that time..they had poor radar...and the terrain was pretty mountainous..
The A-4 Skyhawk(s) came up near to a mountain or whatever..in philippines..
then cannot pull up in time..i heard all crashed.. -
I want to recount this personal experience of an accidental discharge involving an M-16 so you guys don't make the same mistake.
At the range during NSF, quite green.
We were formed up in a line during "walk down" to familiarise with CTSS firing sequence.
After firing a mag of 3-rounds, the bolt is held open as is normal.
I extracted the empty mag and then, without pressing the bolt-release I put in a fresh 3-round mag. Then I pressed the bolt-release.
Instructor called for ceasefire.
I forgot that by pressing the bolt-release AFTER inserting a loaded magazine, I had chambered a round. I point my weapon towards the ground holding with just my right hand. I was about to put to safe but out of habit I squeeze the trigger.
BOOM!
The hard soil fly several feet into the air higher than my helmet. There is a fist-sized hole in the hard earth 3 inches away from my right toes.
Those of you who are familiar with the M-16 know exactly where I have made all the stupid mistakes. That I still have all my toes with me today is a blessing.
So be very, very careful with loaded weapons.
Strangely, the officers all decided not to report the incident - must be my normally very "on-the-ball" attitude. -
THis is not SAF,but NCC.
When I was in Sec.2 in 2001 at the 25m LIVE FIRE range,got this cock from Bishan Park.Upon commencement of firing,he discovered he had an IA.So the normal procedure would be always to apply the selector to the SAFE position 1st.It was a half-feeding.But for some unknown reason,he did not do so.He instead turned the weapon backward and said to the SAF 2Lt. who was the Conductiing Officer and reported the IA.
He was promptly given a complete F**K-over by the 2Lt. It was then discovered that this idiot in question had placed the weapon in AUTO and lucky for him it had developed an IA and did not go off.If not there will be plenty of butts which will be buttered.This guy was barred from firing till everyone had finished and was watched closely by the Conducting Officer, Range CSM and several other NCOs.
Thus I would seriously appeal to all those enlisting,enlisted and have not gone through your live fire at the range yet.PLEASE!!!PLEASE pay attention at when technical handling lessons on your weapons are conducted and to pay extra caution.As the lives of the people around you depend on what you do.
(**PS.JUST TO SIDE-TRACK ALITTLE,CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN WHY IS IT THAT IN THE RANGE,THE AUTO MODE IS NEVER USED?AND CAN ANYONE SHARE WHEN IS THE AUTO MODE USED DURIN TRAINING,THANKS) -
I would suppose that at range, one pull of the trigger on auto mode, would mean there goes your rounds, whether you have 3, 5, or 10. But I have used the auto mode at section l/f. Gimme single shot anytime.
Another thing to note, auto mode does wear out the bolt faster, so technical wise, not many will like it. Those who've handled the SAW and GPMG, they are automatic weapons by themselves. Hold your GPMG tight when firing, the recoil can bring your shots everywhere, i mean everywhere. I nearly lost control of it once when I fired it while it was secured to a pintle on a BX. -
On the ball? I beg to disagree. A good soldier will ALWAYS remember to treat a weapon just as what it is, a weapon. He will NEVER hold it with one hand and trigger off, pointing it to the ground. He will make it a second nature to always check clear before triggering off, and at other times leave his finger out of the trigger guard.Originally posted by tvdog:I want to recount this personal experience of an accidental discharge involving an M-16 so you guys don't make the same mistake.
At the range during NSF, quite green.
We were formed up in a line during "walk down" to familiarise with CTSS firing sequence.
After firing a mag of 3-rounds, the bolt is held open as is normal.
I extracted the empty mag and then, without pressing the bolt-release I put in a fresh 3-round mag. Then I pressed the bolt-release.
Instructor called for ceasefire.
I forgot that by pressing the bolt-release AFTER inserting a loaded magazine, I had chambered a round. I point my weapon towards the ground holding with just my right hand. I was about to put to safe but out of habit I squeeze the trigger.
BOOM!
The hard soil fly several feet into the air higher than my helmet. There is a fist-sized hole in the hard earth 3 inches away from my right toes.
Those of you who are familiar with the M-16 know exactly where I have made all the stupid mistakes. That I still have all my toes with me today is a blessing.
So be very, very careful with loaded weapons.
Strangely, the officers all decided not to report the incident - must be my normally very "on-the-ball" attitude. -
Unless, the 155mm had a faulty fuze which was supposed to have been made in US, but instead came from PRC.Originally posted by seachfun:. Unless, the bomb exploded like the one happen in live firing NZ which faulty fuse bought from US. -
This was very long time ago; about 20yrs. 4 went out for formation sortie & was flying in the cloud by the time when it clear it left 1 craft.Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:Aniwae, from a story from my uncles...
i heard that a group of A-4 Skyhawks in the philippines not long ago..
were flying..and since the A-4 Skyhawks were not upgraded to SU version at that time..they had poor radar...and the terrain was pretty mountainous..
The A-4 Skyhawk(s) came up near to a mountain or whatever..in philippines..
then cannot pull up in time..i heard all crashed..
1 of the never return pilot was my friend uncle. -
Yes, this is the case of so call purchase the fuse from recommended US firm but they sub-contract it to China & resell it to SAF without going thru the quality procedure & the MMO also did the same thing so long got cert. it not my problem. At the end user like us .........Originally posted by Johnston:Unless, the 155mm had a faulty fuze which was supposed to have been made in US, but instead came from PRC.
So 1 lesson learn, DONT ever think that US stuff is very big fuxk, they also provide shit to us all the time! -
Did you ever sit down and read the huge tome about the incident?
The gist of the commitee's finding was:
They themselves did not know it was subcontracted.
(It's been 6 months since i last read that)
Oops.
So if you , the Boss, gets sued because of your worker who bought shoddy goods, will you think it's fair for your company? -
Originally posted by tvdog:Many years ago another tragic accident this time involve only one man.
This one also involve armour. What I understand was that someone on the ground got shot by the vehicle-mounted 7.62 GPMG at very close range becos of accidental discharge or something.
The trooper was shot in the thigh but despite immediate action done to save his life, he bled to death. The femora artery or something was severed.
This one to me was particularly tragic because you would think that someone shot in the leg during training in Singapore could have been saved easily.
Has anybody in the SAF survive a gun shot wound before? Is it possible to stay alive and survive during battle if you are shot in the leg, arm, thigh, non vital part of your body? I was reading the message and i thought does that mean if you are shot it is the end?Originally posted by tankee1981:I have heard abt the story that tvdog have said by my SOA instructors. It happened after a live-firing exercise in Crescendo. They have an IA at the range but didn't clear it there,instead they went back to vehicle shed. One crew member(i think is tank comdr) is clearing the IA back in the vehicle shed when a shot is fired and hit a driver doing AOS on another tank directly opposite.The round first hit the opposite tank then hit his thigh. That poor guy died....Come to think of it Jasmine knoll seems to be the steepest among the knolls in the training areas,so it is highly possible that accidents can happen. However i think after the accident, they have made the track flatter and thus safer. Remember your TSR,Safety first guys! -
Being an Artillery ASA, there aren't too many gun shot wounds we hear of.Originally posted by want to know:Has anybody in the SAF survive a gun shot wound before? Is it possible to stay alive and survive during battle if you are shot in the leg, arm, thigh, non vital part of your body? I was reading the message and i thought does that mean if you are shot it is the end?
Of course you are able to stay alive if you get shot during battle.
Provided you staunch the bleeding, and get medical attention.
No when you are shot, it is not the end.
A simple cut on your wrist can make you bleed to death, why not a gunshot?