Tragedy in SAF
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You "beg to disagree"? LMFAO. Wah lau, so bombastic ah?Originally posted by crosshairs:On the ball? I beg to disagree. A good soldier will ALWAYS remember to treat a weapon just as what it is, a weapon. He will NEVER hold it with one hand and trigger off, pointing it to the ground. He will make it a second nature to always check clear before triggering off, and at other times leave his finger out of the trigger guard.
The topic is about an accidental discharge and other accidents in SAF. This is the ONLY post you made in the whole thread and you took the opportunity to show how good you think you are. You sad bastard.
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I suspected Arty ancedotes would dominate this thread - turns out I'm correct.
My contribution:
I've mentioned that I served with a 120mm-SP mortar (mounted inside a M113) BN, & that my battery suffered a M113 explosion which killed one & heavily injured 4 others. Only the driver somehow escaped unhurt, though later he also got downgraded for another ailment. Anyway, the SIB-investigated story had the dead guy supposedly hiding a stray M203 round following SAFTI live-firing, then taking the full force of the blast & thus "saving" the others. If that's not the real truth, then it's a secret between those in the vehicle.
A runaway M113 - driven by a non-licensed concript - from another battery also destroyed the garage cages during my active stint.
During the subsequent mono-intake, a fellow DI of mine (from the same platoon/battery) got hit by sharpnel from a wayward grenade throw, but luckily escaped with stomach wounds.
Actually, my unit had a bit of an jinx reputation then. There were also other infamous incidents - from losing a bulky LP3 laser-range finder during standby (with barb wire! & sentry guards!), to a hugely-unpopular "scholar" BC getting his car scratched, to a dramatic face-off on ORD day itself, when a mortarman challenging another unpopular officer to a fight outside the camp gates!
My own Tekong BMT stint was incident-free, except for my recently discovering that it took place around the Hotel New World collapse. When on-course at SOAY, 2 major incidents dominated. The 1st was another soldier supposedly getting his nuts crushed by some heavy equipment during the Arty NCO course, which left the whole camp in poor morale when I was there. The 2nd occurred during our own CPX exercise along the then-ulu Loyang Avenue, when a civilian car inexplicably rammmed into a turning 3-tonner's fuel tank & causing a fire that destroyed both vehicles (many an unaccounted-for equipment ended up being "blamed" to have been thus lost, instead of us signing 1206's.)
Reservist was relatively fortunate too, beside some minor accidents & a short spell when we coincidentally lost a few guys to cancer. Seems like the wayward 25-pounder episode isn't that rare; I also saw a similar thing happening during one of the end-of-parade rehearsals during the early '90s, when the driver fail to negotiate a bend properly & the trailing gun swiped into another car. -
Sorry wrong spelling I mean was due to advance in medinice a lot of soldiers did not lost their life .Originally posted by want to know:You mean even if medicine is advance. A lot of soldier will still lost their life.
Forgot the not : ) so. -
"So the main problem is bleeding to death not the gunshot wound. Is there any procedure or any way to stop the bleeding? If a person is shot in the non vital part of his body but the bleeding is keep under control. How long would the person survive?
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That depends, if no vital organ is within the gun shot wound and you miss the main blood vessels. That will let you have a very good chance of keeping it under control. That will give you a few hours, provide you keep the guy still, calm. Remember he is still bleeding, but just that you kept it to mininal by pressure, so still need to rush to hospital. -
You can die from trauma shock too, due to acute cardiorespiratory failure.
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[quote]Originally posted by Moxie:
[b]I suspected Arty ancedotes would dominate this thread - turns out I'm correct.
My contribution:
I've mentioned that I served with a 120mm-SP mortar (mounted inside a M113) BN, & that my battery suffered a M113 explosion which killed one & heavily injured 4 others. Only the driver somehow escaped unhurt, though later he also got downgraded for another ailment. Anyway, the SIB-investigated story had the dead guy supposedly hiding a stray M203 round following SAFTI live-firing, then taking the full force of the blast & thus "saving" the others. If that's not the real truth, then it's a secret between those in the vehicle.
Hi Moxie..
and the det comdr got an ass-full of shrapnel. u from Alpha?
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you heard about this signaller turning into charcoal when the antenna of his radio touch a low hanging power cable in Starlight? Worse of all, the guy next to him gone crazy after the accident.
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Hi Moxie..
Hey, sounds like a voice from the past.
and the det comdr got an ass-full of shrapnel. u from Alpha?
I'm fr the ironhorse bn too..
I'm the Alpha FSO TA-cum-FO TA. Ring any bell? (No, not Gomez).
I joined another IHL unit after ORD, but read in Pointer that that 21SA batch won Best Reservist Arty Unit later on. Mighty proud of you guys (considering the various misadventures during active time), though my own outfit also won the award during our cycle ~lol~
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I have heard about it. I had been to ex-starlight ROC 3 times. Each time I went there, I always lookout for low hanging cables.Originally posted by Xprobe:you heard about this signaller turning into charcoal when the antenna of his radio touch a low hanging power cable in Starlight? Worse of all, the guy next to him gone crazy after the accident. -
2x SA is really jinx. So many incidents, being from recruit motorbike accident passed away, cash action live round landed in 3km from the line of sight, live firing in ROC landed wrong place, CO was removed commend after the G4 sport check during alert 1 etc etc ... Ironhouse all the way.Originally posted by Moxie:Hey, sounds like a voice from the past.
I'm the Alpha FSO TA-cum-FO TA. Ring any bell? (No, not Gomez). -
if im not wrong, the 2 arty pieces in question is the same one right?Originally posted by dragonstar:Just repeating what I wrote in any thread.
1. In the School of Artillery, the OCS batch before my ANCO course, an officer cadet stood between an M71 hooked on a MAN 7t truck. When the truck moved off, the gun ran over the cadet killing him.
6. During a 155 life firing in Thailand, one of my rounds landed kilometres from the target zone and landed in a padi field. Luckily, no one was hurt, but unconfirmed report stated that a cow got in the way and was turned into hamburger patty.
because i had a tution teacher, who commanded the piece in question during his NS. In fact, he was the gun comd for the arty piece when the Thailand incident took place, except that he wasn't there, and another officer took comd of the gun at the time. -
i do remember a case where an OCT was foolin' around with a GPMG and shot his mate in the chest...Originally posted by John Ching:Not sure if anyone recalls this incident from OCS. A trainee cadet dropped his GMPG & it shot his mate in the back of the head. I'm not clear about the incident but from what I heard, the cadets were all playing a fool at that moment before the accident. Damn immature.
A gun shot victim could survivy a shot if (a) the shot did not damage major organs, (b) the bullet went clean through the victim without ricocheting, (c) the victim does not go into immediate shock & (d) the victim is sent to the nearest hospital in the shortest possible timing. Of course, immediate first aid should be done by stopping the flow of blood from the entry & exit wound. In the movies, they always block the entry wound only. -
sounds familiar.Originally posted by Xprobe:you heard about this signaller turning into charcoal when the antenna of his radio touch a low hanging power cable in Starlight? Worse of all, the guy next to him gone crazy after the accident.
the one incident i really will never forget tho, is the one when I was in SOS. some OCT doing the SOCC sort of launched an antenna halfway into orbit. Luckily no one was hurt... but he became quite well known for that.
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Auto will never be used in range except for GPMG, SAW, simply because they have to account for the rounds and only 1 shot i needed to down the target. As for training, no auto will be used afaik, to reduce the chances of ia as well as to prevent the bolt from wearing too fast, (but then i fired in auto in bmt to clear all teh blanks)Originally posted by SpecOps87:THis is not SAF,but NCC.
When I was in Sec.2 in 2001 at the 25m LIVE FIRE range,got this cock from Bishan Park.Upon commencement of firing,he discovered he had an IA.So the normal procedure would be always to apply the selector to the SAFE position 1st.It was a half-feeding.But for some unknown reason,he did not do so.He instead turned the weapon backward and said to the SAF 2Lt. who was the Conductiing Officer and reported the IA.
He was promptly given a complete F**K-over by the 2Lt. It was then discovered that this idiot in question had placed the weapon in AUTO and lucky for him it had developed an IA and did not go off.If not there will be plenty of butts which will be buttered.This guy was barred from firing till everyone had finished and was watched closely by the Conducting Officer, Range CSM and several other NCOs.
Thus I would seriously appeal to all those enlisting,enlisted and have not gone through your live fire at the range yet.PLEASE!!!PLEASE pay attention at when technical handling lessons on your weapons are conducted and to pay extra caution.As the lives of the people around you depend on what you do.
(**PS.JUST TO SIDE-TRACK ALITTLE,CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN WHY IS IT THAT IN THE RANGE,THE AUTO MODE IS NEVER USED?AND CAN ANYONE SHARE WHEN IS THE AUTO MODE USED DURIN TRAINING,THANKS) -
sometimes its the soldiers themselves who caused it, btw accidents have def come down, my brother's time had more serious accidents than my time (now), ppl had broken limbs etc, now my time is sprain ankle, sprained backOriginally posted by SibeiSuayKia:wah why so many case 1?
saf no safety first? -
That was not a demonstration of "good". That was the least to expect of someone with a firearm who calls himself a soldier. Or maybe you were not informed?Originally posted by tvdog:You "beg to disagree"? LMFAO. Wah lau, so bombastic ah?
The topic is about an accidental discharge and other accidents in SAF. This is the ONLY post you made in the whole thread and you took the opportunity to show how good you think you are. You sad bastard.
If you have nothing useful to contribute just fcuk off.
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I see...... so you were the one who misfired. I didn't remember who it was until I saw this rebuttal.
And all this while I was bewildered at why anyone would defend your actions. So much for your "on the ball" attitude. You must have really pleased many instructors for them to let you off like this.
And kudos to your colourful language. It lends power to that your "ball". -
mm. actually now also got quite a few serious accidents wat......Originally posted by Geforce3:sometimes its the soldiers themselves who caused it, btw accidents have def come down, my brother's time had more serious accidents than my time (now), ppl had broken limbs etc, now my time is sprain ankle, sprained back -
Test fire! Test Fire!Originally posted by Geforce3:, (but then i fired in auto in bmt to clear all teh blanks) -
speaking of blanks, I fired blanks on full auto for AA drill during BMT.Originally posted by Johnston:Test fire! Test Fire!