What is this new SAF toy?
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Anybody spotted this new SAF toy at the 2004 army open house at safti?
Looks like US LAV,no news heard of it and nothing has reported of it.Unlike SSPH1 and Bionix,which are announced and report widely in media. Can anybody share any information of it? -
Its the concept STK vehicle, the Terrex.
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Looks like already operational even with the machine gun fix on it!
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First thing , it is not a SAF toy becos SAF has yet to adopt it, it is a private venture undertaken by ST engg for export market.
2nd thing , it is not really new , I think it is already out more than 3 years ago.
So far there is a report that Turkey might licensed produced them along with Bronco for their new IFV requirement, so far no confirmation abt the report.
Here the brochure for the Terrex AV81:
http://www.stengg.com/upload/3093OMjHRRkK6KIJHFM.pdf -
luks like the vehicle the marines used in Aliens 2
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Thats an airport truck they use to pull big jumbo jets onto the runway.Originally posted by skeujin:luks like the vehicle the marines used in Aliens 2 -
can I click on it and click on people to attack?Originally posted by zenden9:
Anybody spotted this new SAF toy at the 2004 army open house at safti?
Looks like US LAV,no news heard of it and nothing has reported of it.Unlike SSPH1 and Bionix,which are announced and report widely in media. Can anybody share any information of it? -
maybe SAF should get some of those terrex to replace the V-100, V-150 and V-200 that is getting really old.....
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I agree that the V-100,V-150 and V-200 are getting old and Terrex seems to be the best choice for their replacement.
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I am wondering if the Terrex is a suitable replacement for the V-150/200 family, considering that the V-200 has 4 wheels while the Terrex has 8.
This would certainly result in a higher maintenance cost.
It seems to be pretty long too. Wondering if a scaled down version would be more suitable. -
The V series has too high a centre of gravity therefore it overturns EASILY on uneven terrain.
Technically the V-100 - 200 series should've been taken out of service long, long ago. They are now used only by air-defence of airbase (where it is VERY FLAT and sometimes for reserve infantry. -
No, the V series is not only confine to the protection of Installation.Originally posted by tvdog:The V series has too high a centre of gravity therefore it overturns EASILY on uneven terrain.
Technically the V-100 - 200 series should've been taken out of service long, long ago. They are now used only by air-defence of airbase (where it is VERY FLAT and sometimes for reserve infantry.
Within the Air Defense System Brigade, there is the Divisional Air Defense Brigade (DA) which consist of 3,6,9 and 18DA. 18DA will provide homeland defense like the FDS but the 3,6,9 DA will provide divisional ADs which in another words is a front line unit (unless that division is not frontline...). -
Actually , the bulk of the V-200 is with the ASU of PDF formation, afterall the terrain that they are suppose to operate is the highly urbanised SG. An 4x4 AFV should have no problem operating in SG.
One thing, I heard some of them are recently refurbished, so they might still be here for quite some time.
As for the Terrex where it was first introduced in 2001 ,is modular concept AFV where it could be used as mortar carrier, IFV, tank destroyer with a 105mm gun and even 155mm SPH!!
From illustration( a sketch) from STK on the 155mm SPH, it has along barrel, seem to me a 52cal gun!!
So far ,since the report in October 2003 that ST Kinetics and Turkey's Otokar Otobus Karoseri Sanayi AS (Otokar) had concluded co-operation agreements for two vehicles , the Terrex which they called it as Yavuz and the other is the Bronco, no other report from them since then at this moment. The Turks might be the first one to have the Terrex in operation.
The Turks are also licensed producing our FH-2000 which they called it as Panter, and their Firtina SPH which is based Korean K9 chasis, is also uses the same gun for spares commonality.
The Panter 52cal towed gun.
http://warriorsoul.4t.com/cgi-bin/i/images/panter1.jpg
Firtina SPH
http://warriorsoul.4t.com/cgi-bin/i/images/firtina.jpg -
We should get ST get the movie rights and get hollywood to do the re-make of the movie of Damnation Alley - with Terrex as the star vehicles ! think after that it will be the hot seller world wide. -
The RBS70 armed V200s are still being used by ADA untils.
The 20mm armed V200s are being used by PDFs and for Airbase defence. -
The V200 in Singapore are being upgraded with diesel engines and automatic transmissions so they are unlikely to be replaced by the terrex which is a bit of an overkill if they r only to be used for airbase air-defence.
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I'm thinking they should eventually replace the M113 Ultra with Terrex. So our APCs would be mainly Bionix & Terrex. The tank killer variant of the Terrex would also be a good supplement for our AMX13-SM1.Originally posted by kingkhong79:The V200 in Singapore are being upgraded with diesel engines and automatic transmissions so they are unlikely to be replaced by the terrex which is a bit of an overkill if they r only to be used for airbase air-defence. -
this is a APC right????
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I dun think SAF will be interested in Terrex as M113 replacement, they will most probably replace by more Bionix.Originally posted by esesce:I'm thinking they should eventually replace the M113 Ultra with Terrex. So our APCs would be mainly Bionix & Terrex. The tank killer variant of the Terrex would also be a good supplement for our AMX13-SM1.
The reason I believe is simply becos a wheeled AFV are still having too high a ground pressure to be used in tropical rain forest terrain.
Currently , the vanilla Terrex weight abt 17.5tons, with more heavier weapons and additional armour , the weight could be easily be up to 25 tons.
Eventhough the ground pressure is not released by ST , I will use a similar weighted 8x8 for reference.
Piranha 4 Basic 8x8 weight abt 25 tons, and has a ground pressure of 481kPa ~ 4.9 kgf/sq cm, which is abt 6.5 times that of Bionix!!!
Anyway, the V-200 4x4 was actually our first bad buy in the late 60s for our newly formed armoured force, they were found to be easily mired in swampy terrain which was soon replaced by the tracked M113 after a few years of svc.
With more than 250 V series AFVs, some were modified as a SAM platform & the rest seconded to FDS & PDF. -
I tend to think that esesce's viewpoint would more likely come true rather than the "tracked and detroit diesel engine" champion in this forum.
But my reasons are mainly due to the poor amphibious characteristics of the Bionix.
We shall see the development in the next 1 -2 years to see which viewpoint is correct.
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The Bionix does not have poor amphibious characteristics( eventhough need some preparation) becos they are not meant to be use in open sea, only for small stream & river where the water are not rough.Originally posted by observe:I tend to think that esesce's viewpoint would more likely come true rather than the "tracked and detroit diesel engine" champion in this forum.
But my reasons are mainly due to the poor amphibious characteristics of the Bionix.
We shall see the development in the next 1 -2 years to see which viewpoint is correct.
Anyway, so far during operation, most armies do not use the amphibious capability of their APC/IFV but use their combat engineer bridges & AVLB for such river crossing becos they are safer and faster(AVLB) , that is why we have so many AVLBs and CE bridges.
So you dun have to worry abt our Bionix's amphibious capability, afterall our AMX-13 still need the bridge for such crossing, and they( Bionix & AMX-13s) need to go hand in hand ,so no diff !!
For true amphibious job for the rough open sea,we have the our AMX-10s marine variant for that .
In fact our M113 Ultra could be upgraded with ARISGATOR oceanic kit to support our RDF force:ARISGATOR
ARIS has developed an oceanic kit that transforms the M113 APC in a fully Amphibious Landing Vehicle, named ARISGATOR.
Main parts of navigation kit are:
-the bow, to improve M113 floating ability and hydrodynamic penetration,
-the sterns incorporating two separate controlled propellers that allow high manoeuvrability in navigation up to a complete spin on Arisgator vertical axis.
During navigation, the original air intake system is automatically excluded and a snorkel system on the top of the vehicle is activated.
In this configuration, ARISGATOR is able to carry safely eight fully equipped soldiers plus the driver. A 12,7 mm. or a 25 mm. turret can be installed and can be remotely controlled by personnel inside the sealed hull.
ARISGATOR can safely navigate in open sea even in considerable rough conditions, showing a very low profile above the water and maintaining the same performance on land as the original M113 APC.
This transformation of M113 APC into ARISGATOR gives the Armed Forces the opportunity to have, at very low cost, a light amphibious vehicle.
ARISGATOR can operate in stand-alone missions or in support of larger and more dedicated amphibious vehicles.
A low rate initial production contract for different configuration of ARISGATOR has been awarded to ARIS by Italian Mod to satisfy Army and Navy Landing Forces requirement.
Here the brochure:
http://www.arisspa.it/inglese/pdf/ARISGINGL.pdf
With more Bionix coming online, I believe 2-3 hundred M113 could be upgraded with the ARISGATOR oceanic kit and truly boost our RDF's amphibious capability! -
All this at a time when the IDF is re-considering their Merkava effort according to a 1 Sept 04 issue of JDW.
Apparantly some in IDF thinks they shouldn't be into steel......
STK is Singapore's version of Proton? -
its really stupid to seek amphi capability on our bionix... when we got this.... by the dozens....
http://www.one35th.com/bionix/avlb_spec.htm
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Those thingy would only be useful for small water obstacle.Originally posted by tripwire:its really stupid to seek amphi capability on our bionix... when we got this.... by the dozens....
http://www.one35th.com/bionix/avlb_spec.htm
But the geog will soon change in about 2-3years time when the causeway is no more. -
LOL, are talking abt the awful looking slanted bridge that your govt or rather Dr. M propose ?!?Originally posted by observe:Those thingy would only be useful for small water obstacle.
But the geog will soon change in about 2-3years time when the causeway is no more.
First thing , SG do not agree to have such awful looking bridge !!!!
2nd thing, do you read your own MY's newspaper or not?
It was reported recently that the whole project is called off becos of budget problem by your govt!!!!
Third thing, do you really think that the SAF need to have the causeway for the invasion of MY?
It is stupid to use the causeway becos it will be a chokepoint for us!!!
Go check out the number of type of floating bridges that we have, and lastly our RPL, LSD, FCEP & FCU. ( the last three are all locally made & the numbers are classified), and you will realise that we dun need to have the causeway!!!!!
All we need it just to have our RDF to get the beachhead and the rest will start pouring in via RPL, FCEP & FCU and when it is totally secure even a floating bridge could be constructed if neccessary!!!!
