Harrasment Missions by Snipers
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Hey,can anyone share what a sniper team does when they do a harrasment mission?During Army Open House this 3SG from Snipers told me that for this type of missions they are usually equipped with the MSG90.So can anyone share?What is the objective of harrasment missions and what is done to ensure the enemy is harrased?
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they strip the enemy and touch their privates
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This is Israel styleOriginally posted by sgFish:they strip the enemy and touch their privates -
Right, and the Americans taught them that.Originally posted by sbst275:This is Israel style
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To know more about harrasment missions by a sniper, it would be best if you read this book "Marine sniper 93 confirmed kills" by Charles Henderson. Its an unofficial auto biography on the exploits of, the late, Master Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock in Vietnam.
He is a legend among U.S military sniper community. He has done some wild things that no sniper today has been able to accomplish, even in the current Iraq situation.
However, the short version of what harrasment missions is about, it is to put the FEAR of GOD from an unseen distance into the enemy through a 7.62.
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Well...my guess is...if you've got something that you can't touch that's picking off soldiers one by one, you'd be pretty scared to move about...definitely affects morale. Harrasment would probably be a shoot and scoot to avoid detection.
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kill the medic....and kill the officer...that shld work ehhe
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he has more than 93, many are unconfirmed kills in vietnam. he got a purple heart cos he saved his pal when the vehicle caught fire, he suffered severe burns dat plague him throughout his life. i got a Carlos hathcock ballcap.Originally posted by John Ching:To know more about harrasment missions by a sniper, it would be best if you read this book "Marine sniper 93 confirmed kills" by Charles Henderson. Its an unofficial auto biography on the exploits of, the late, Master Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock in Vietnam.
He is a legend among U.S military sniper community. He has done some wild things that no sniper today has been able to accomplish, even in the current Iraq situation.
However, the short version of what harrasment missions is about, it is to put the FEAR of GOD from an unseen distance into the enemy through a 7.62. 
basically, the sniper just gun down 1-2 people every few hours to drain the morale of the enemy and to deprive the enemy of rest and sleep. it also serves as a diversion for a follow up by others. -
Not so.Originally posted by chunyong:he has more than 93, many are unconfirmed kills in vietnam. he got a purple heart cos he saved his pal when the vehicle caught fire, he suffered severe burns dat plague him throughout his life. i got a Carlos hathcock ballcap.
basically, the sniper just gun down 1-2 people every few hours to drain the morale of the enemy and to deprive the enemy of rest and sleep. it also serves as a diversion for a follow up by others.
"Late in his life, he was awarded a Silver Star, the third-highest military honor, for an incident that happened nearly 30 years earlier, Hathcock's career as a sniper came to sudden end outside Queson in 1969, when the amphibious tractor he was riding on was ambushed and hit a 500-pound box mine. Hathcock pulled seven marines off the flame-engulfed vehicle before jumping to safety. As was his way, he rejected any commendation for his bravery.?
http://www.angelfire.com/rant/military/2222/page7index.html
He is the MAN. -
If I not wrong,the vietcong sniper gunned down more US than US down North Vietnamese after the end of US commitment in vietnam in 1973! Most vietnamese communist casualties r caused by bombers!
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Not so, after the Tet offensive, the VC were more or less burned out.Originally posted by zenden9:If I not wrong,the vietcong sniper gunned down more US than US down North Vietnamese after the end of US commitment in vietnam in 1973! Most vietnamese communist casualties r caused by bombers!
I have no idea what your post is trying to imply. Really.
Um, do you mean US servicemen, or US citizens?
Either way, after the Great Saigon HeliCasEvac, there wouldn't have been too many Yanks around for them to kill.
The official US vs Vietnam Casualty ratio is 50K: 1 Million. Or so i remember, it's been too long since i refreshed myself.
But a million - fifty thousand. hmm. That's a very large number. -
Carlos Hathcock a.k.a. Long Thrang(White Feather) is a person who is proud of his skill, looks up to the image of a marine, and not a man of many words, a simple man, simple and effective. Only under that classification can I rationalise his actions in vietnam. In reality a sniper is a cold blooded killer with a very powerful weapon. They all have a conscience, and the only way to prevent themselves from being victims of their own conscience is to not talk about who they killed. I have seen it in the eyes of a Royal Marine sniper.
A harrasment mission is one whereby no member of the offensive is taken down, though it may not be the case all the time. It is a mission to affect a large force using minimal personnel with the objective of delay or diversion while a larger force is gathered. It is not an end, but a means to an end. Its key to success is the confusion and fear that it generates. It lowers the moral of the enemy, it irritates them as the delay continues.
The effective harrassment range is between 800 to 1000 metres. Anything closer than that warrants a kill, though not a confirmed kill. A confirmed kill is most likely at 400m. Anything closer than that puts the sniper in unnecessary danger and should not be attempted.
Question: You are a sniper. You are travelling with your infantry company when you encounter suppressive fire from an MG post. What do you do? -
Clap clap!
Give that man a Cognac, he's earned it!
A refreshing break from the usual joking-type answers.
I was never a sniper, nor anywhere near there. Care to furnish us the answer?
Well, what requirements are there for a kill to be confirmed? Witnesses? -
Lightly educated guess:Originally posted by crosshairs:Question: You are a sniper. You are travelling with your infantry company when you encounter suppressive fire from an MG post. What do you do?
Seek cover, and try to locate said MG post. After which, neutralise, or note co-ords, and call for fire. -
read that hathcock guy biography before.
if i remembered correctly, he nearly got sniped once.
in the end, he put his round into the vietcong's scope
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You don't really have to locate it, it should be quite obvious. If unsure, note the delay between the thump (round impact) and the start of the crack (from the MG), for every half a second, multiply by 300 to get the approximate range of the MG post. Set range on rifle.Originally posted by Johnston:Lightly educated guess:
Seek cover, and try to locate said MG post. After which, neutralise, or note co-ords, and call for fire.
You don't call for fire. You ARE the fire.
And you don't take out the personnel. You take out the gun by taking out the breech. That is one humane example I have for this profession. If not possible, try again. There is no such thing as "cannot hit". -
He fired up an elevation, the vietcong was on higher ground. Hathcock assumed that his life was in danger bacause the VC had spotted him. If that were to be true, then the round should not have passed through the scope of the VC into his eye, due to the highly curved tragectory of an uphill shot.Originally posted by 12qwaszx:read that hathcock guy biography before.
if i remembered correctly, he nearly got sniped once.
in the end, he put his round into the vietcong's scope
He probably did not think of this: The VC was trying to locate him, or have already found him, but was not aiming at him, but rather his rifle was pointed far behind Hathcock.
But then again it may not have been that much of an elevation. Anyway he blamed his white feather for giving him away. -
FYI, by right a confirmed kill requires the witness of an officer. However, due to the fact that an officer can't be every where at 1 time, the next person to witness( on be half of an officer ) the kill would be the sniper's spotter. But signing off on the kill record still requires an officer.
BTW, snipers aren't really cold blooded or anti-social, they're just trying to suppress the horror that they have seen through the scope without pissing anyone off. Honestly, the civilise world doesn't think to highly of a sniper being able to kill from an extended range. Especially girls don't like the ideal of the guy they know, being able to kill another man with 1 shot. Strangely they prefer guys who kill another man up close & personal, eg Commandos, Special Forces, etc. -
You got that right, MG fire.Originally posted by crosshairs:You don't really have to locate it, it should be quite obvious. If unsure, note the delay between the thump (round impact) and the start of the crack (from the MG), for every half a second, multiply by 300 to get the approximate range of the MG post. Set range on rifle.
You don't call for fire. You ARE the fire.
And you don't take out the personnel. You take out the gun by taking out the breech. That is one humane example I have for this profession. If not possible, try again. There is no such thing as "cannot hit". The only thing less obvious might be artillery bombardment.
Lightly educated guess:
The MG post, upon spotting an Inf Coy, would have radioed it in, before engaging, wouldnt it?
So calling in fire, esp arty, would allow the guns to "get their bearings", just in case armor or inf start showing up in huge numbers.
No offense, but wouldn't making the MG blow up also cause grave hurt to the crew? And the possibility of crippling them? Would it be more humane to let them be invalids for life? -
Because as snipers, they hunt the greatest game a civilian could think of.Originally posted by John Ching:Honestly, the civilise world doesn't think to highly of a sniper being able to kill from an extended range. Especially girls don't like the ideal of the guy they know, being able to kill another man with 1 shot. Strangely they prefer guys who kill another man up close & personal, eg Commandos, Special Forces, etc.
That is, a living, breathing, armed human.
That's unsettling.
Personally, i've yet to meet a gal who likes anything military.
In the civilian world, any one with a rifle + a telescopic sight is automatically a sniper. -
They are not anti-social, but a certain level of cold bloodedness is a requirement. Cold blooded people are not really heartless; they just disconnect with their prey, disconnect with feeling that kill. And they piss alot of people off.Originally posted by John Ching:BTW, snipers aren't really cold blooded or anti-social, they're just trying to suppress the horror that they have seen through the scope without pissing anyone off. Honestly, the civilise world doesn't think to highly of a sniper being able to kill from an extended range. Especially girls don't like the ideal of the guy they know, being able to kill another man with 1 shot. Strangely they prefer guys who kill another man up close & personal, eg Commandos, Special Forces, etc.
Yes I agree with you girls don't like snipers. The think of snipers as creepy and underhanded. And they think commandos are inhuman.....thanks to all the stories they have heard. -
A Marine would have punched you around a couple times for referring to Master Gunnery SGT Carlos Hathcock as "guy".Originally posted by 12qwaszx:read that hathcock guy biography before.
if i remembered correctly, he nearly got sniped once.
in the end, he put his round into the vietcong's scope
The usage of such an term to one as he, infers that he's your casual accquaintance.
In the USMC, Master SGTs are something to be looked up to. And that's a severe understatement. -
The breech is not made of C4. It won't blow.Originally posted by Johnston:You got that right, MG fire. The only thing less obvious might be artillery bombardment.
Lightly educated guess:
The MG post, upon spotting an Inf Coy, would have radioed it in, before engaging, wouldnt it?
So calling in fire, esp arty, would allow the guns to "get their bearings", just in case armor or inf start showing up in huge numbers.
No offense, but wouldn't making the MG blow up also cause grave hurt to the crew? And the possibility of crippling them? Would it be more humane to let them be invalids for life? -
Civilians have funny ideas about anything and everything non-civilian.Originally posted by Johnston:Because as snipers, they hunt the greatest game a civilian could think of.
That is, a living, breathing, armed human.
That's unsettling.
Personally, i've yet to meet a gal who likes anything military.
In the civilian world, any one with a rifle + a telescopic sight is automatically a sniper. -
*mutter*Originally posted by crosshairs:Civilians have funny ideas about anything and everything non-civilian.
You got that right, Sir.
Try explaining to them that a sniper, given enough time, and a level field with which to play with them, the commandoes can do little.
Especially with an anti-material rifle.
You ever did fire one of those anywhere?