Don't burn Taiwan flag, burn them paper tanks, paper planes
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I don't really get why Singaporeans would want to take sides in a PRC-ROC conflict. Look at the facts and not the rambling rhetoric.
If there's a war, no matter which side wins, we (Singapore) will lose.
Points to note:
1) If war breaks out at least one side will get badly burned. At least one (or even both) of the Chinese economies will collapse. This will definitely hurt us. We either lose one partner or both.
2) If war breaks really breaks out, most of the navies in the region will either be directly involved in the conflict or be busy securing their respective nation's own maritime borders. A large stretch of the Pacific Ocean will probably be left unguarded and unpatrolled. With the recent terrorism scenarios involving Oil/Cargo ships, do you really think a major port like Singapore will be safe?
There are a dozen other reasons why this potential war will not be good for us. This might sound a bit cold, but at the end of the day, we can't let ourselves get caught up in other nation's dirty business. We have to look after ourselves.
The one china policy might sound like we're "sucking up" or "kow towing" but believe it or not we're not siding the Chinese or Taiwanese. We're just taking care of the people that matter: Singaporeans. -
If only i could change my race to Singaporean...
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But the word "Chinese" will always stick there..
our sg rich towkays , will definitely suffer alot if war break out..
hope china J-10 aircrafts will strike those flag burners in kaoh siung ^^
Taiwan and China could be ever closer to a war then then the previous years..
I was wondering..what if Singapore was placed next to China..
instead of Taiwan?
will China still invade us?
and btw, sadly, the same country which says chinese should not fight each other, is now preparing it's weapons to kill another democractic nation of chinese..
The only key things the tw pple worry is their parliamentary posts and tw military power...
Very Strong Points For USA both not and to intervene..
USA's containment policy would surely fail and it will surely become a 2nd rated power..after china gains access to the pacific.. -
dun want to be involved in your squabble... but relief funds?? you think we still living in the days of Sun Yat-sen ah?? kang zhong yuan tai funds ah? nowadays its all loans between government or world bank... you mean there's gonna be someone holding a tin can selling flowers at Clementi MRT station?? or mayb they'll have getai to raise funds...
Ah, you would be surprised, during the great floods of china not too long ago,
many chinese "Hui Guan" actually did alot of work asking for relief funds for the victims in china that time. Hold tin cans, sell flowers, isnt that being done by students nowadays? Ah, you mean they did that long time ago during Sun Yat Sen period? Wow!
But my point is, if I noe there would be such a fund to help taiwan in time of war, I would do my best to help. -
What will be China's Reaction if singaporeans help to contribute $$ to taiwan to fight china..Originally posted by dotaro:Ah, you would be surprised, during the great floods of china not too long ago,
many chinese "Hui Guan" actually did alot of work asking for relief funds for the victims in china that time. Hold tin cans, sell flowers, isnt that being done by students nowadays? Ah, you mean they did that long time ago during Sun Yat Sen period? Wow!
But my point is, if I noe there would be such a fund to help taiwan in time of war, I would do my best to help.
I will only support China only when the media truly opens up and stops threatening those democratic pple in HK..
China should have elections for the pple , and i will also not support TW now..
unless DPP gets removed.. -
im toking abt your theory on Army..
Hm, I did not theorise anything on Army, I just said that Taiwan maintains their army as a defense force, just like Japan.
so let me guess..u are Fan Lu eh? green?
As for Fan Lv or Fan Lan...
I'm a Sporean...so it's irrelevant...
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dude..u did theorise abt your view on Army..tsk tsk..dude y keep changing words n view?Originally posted by dotaro:Hm, I did not theorise anything on Army, I just said that Taiwan maintains their army as a defense force, just like Japan.
As for Fan Lv or Fan Lan...
I'm a Sporean...so it's irrelevant... 
wat a taiwanise singaporean we have..blabbering crap..
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What will be China's Reaction if singaporeans help to contribute $$ to taiwan to fight china..
China had better remember how Spore has helped China all the while from Deng XiaoPeng era till now. Economically, politically and socially.
I will only support China only when the media truly opens up and stops threatening those democratic pple in HK..
China should have elections for the pple , and i will also not support TW now..
unless DPP gets removed..
But...from the taiwan visit fiasco, they obviously had not.
Yes, china treatens HK ppl, that's the reason why Taiwan WILL nvr embrace china...politically at least.
Well, DPP does irk alot of ppl now, but they are here to stay for at least another term, if they want to stir independence, they have until the Beijing Olympics 08 to stir. -
There is a subtle difference between defense force and army.
Oh, you mean the above quote is counted as theory?
Take the Japanese for e.g, they dun call themselves an army, they call themselvs defense force. Their troops will not initiate a fight, will only fight to defend when provoked. They cant even send troops to fight a war, only for peace-keeping.
Taiwan's troops use this policy when it comes to their military
Well, it's my view, it's subject to critisism, but pls show me that the Taiwanese & Japanese calls themselves an "Army" , instead of "Defense Force"... -
that's why i prefer the KMT, they actually wanted to reclaim china, maybe now cannot use military force, but still can use election wat...if china become a democratic country, then taiwan rejoin china...and KMT win election, and then bye bye communist. (thats wat i thought)
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Probably entirely unrelated, but you know those country-code lists, like when you type www.asus.com.tw how the root servers go out and resolve it?
I was trying to set up a country-code lookup list based on this standard, and here's an entry I found :
TAIWAN, PROVINCE OF CHINA;TW
This list is from ISO, the International Standards Organisation. Which, presumably follows the official country names recognized by the United Nations.
So, in the eyes of the UN, I guess that makes Taiwan a "Province of China".
I guess that'll probably make some Taiwanese a little unhappy
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Singapore is not taking sides. We are supporting a one-China policy precisely because of the reasons stated. Taiwan declaring independence will result in war, which is what we are trying to pre-empt.Originally posted by aerozapper:I don't really get why Singaporeans would want to take sides in a PRC-ROC conflict. Look at the facts and not the rambling rhetoric.
If there's a war, no matter which side wins, we (Singapore) will lose.
Points to note:
There are a dozen other reasons why this potential war will not be good for us. This might sound a bit cold, but at the end of the day, we can't let ourselves get caught up in other nation's dirty business. We have to look after ourselves.
The one china policy might sound like we're "sucking up" or "kow towing" but believe it or not we're not siding the Chinese or Taiwanese. We're just taking care of the people that matter: Singaporeans.
At the moment, status quo seems best and that is what Singapore is pushing. -
if Israel Defense Force was used instead of TW force..
do u think the province of taiwan could be more stronger defended?
imagine with hell lotsa apaches and no cobras..
1,500 Merkevas , 360+ F-16 C/D and I variants..
Israel only has 6 million population...but much feared in the Arab world..
combined assault by so many countries on 1..yet failed.. -
im seriously thinking whether if u are as smart as u sound like..Originally posted by dotaro:Oh, you mean the above quote is counted as theory?
Well, it's my view, it's subject to critisism, but pls show me that the Taiwanese & Japanese calls themselves an "Army" , instead of "Defense Force"...
look at IDF..u know wat does IDF stand for?
does Israelis "defense force" look like a defense force to u?
do they have the ability to project a force outside their state?
so y they call themselve IDF?
does JDA n SDF have the ability to project their force out? yes they can if they want to..
u know the reason y they are call ..how would the world react if they are call Japan Imperial Army?
does Taiwan have that ability? maybe yes maybe no...then y the hell they have airborne unit?
dude..its just a name for their army...in that case Singapore Army also only a defense force(forward defense also defense only wat ok
)..y the hell we call our SAF???
since our doctrine is defense..we shld call our SDF wat..rite
hey but seriously...im wondering where u get the idea from..from wat i see..they are call Republic of China Army (ROCA)
Army get it? not ROCDF rite? -
im seriously thinking whether if u are as smart as u sound like..
Paiseh If I made you think that way
does Israelis "defense force" look like a defense force to u?
Oh yes, you are right on your argument on the Army theory...
do they have the ability to project a force outside their state?
so y they call themselve IDF?
does JDA n SDF have the ability to project their force out? yes they can if they want to..
u know the reason y they are call ..how would the world react if they are call Japan Imperial Army?
does Taiwan have that ability? maybe yes maybe no...then y the hell they have airborne unit?
dude..its just a name for their army...in that case Singapore Army also only a defense force(forward defense also defense only wat ok )..y the hell we call our SAF???
since our doctrine is defense..we shld call our SDF wat..rite
hey but seriously...im wondering where u get the idea from..from wat i see..they are call Republic of China Army (ROCA)
Army get it? not ROCDF rite? -
dude..im only bullshitting my way thru...u are rite on some part..Originally posted by dotaro:Oh yes, you are right on your argument on the Army theory...
but im only trying to get the msg thru..a defense force is still a army..got projection force or not.. -
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Ah Bian is nothing but troubles, he should get the hell outta Taiwan!
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China must occupy Taiwan straight away, it's so ridiculous to see Ah Bian talking cock.
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Why the urgency to re-unite?
The longer the status quo (ie no negotiations etc) the stronger will be China's position. There's no escaping it.
Better to focus on economic development and eradication of corrupt politicians/civil servants etc. -
Yeah, why so fast?
We are actually benefitting from the double bonds. But hell, Ah Bian is making me nervous.