ASEAN vs CHINA
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what happens if china succeeded in invading taiwan and south korea without the use of nukes.
After that, the declared war on south east asia and move all available asset to nake us surrender. INstead, all ASEAN memberrs join to form a full military alliance and decided to fight the PLA.
NO nukes is being used in the war fearing the USA may use nukes on china. USA is also not interferring with the affair due to what happen recently in taiwan.
THis happen in the year 2012, just 4 years after taiwan was conqured. -
????????? wad r u saying??
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Originally posted by ray243:
let them take Taiwan if they want to..but if they start touching S.Korea..we can start moving toward their butt n screw them...
what happens if china succeeded in invading taiwan and south korea without the use of nukes.
After that, the declared war on south east asia and move all available asset to nake us surrender. INstead, all ASEAN memberrs join to form a [b]full military alliance and decided to fight the PLA.
NO nukes is being used in the war fearing the USA may use nukes on china. USA is also not interferring with the affair due to what happen recently in taiwan.
THis happen in the year 2012, just 4 years after taiwan was conqured.
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Even if China want to attack , will also settle old scores with japan first..
south korea comes later..north military capability still loses out to south korea..
ASEAN combined force..??
LOL, SG will be doing most of the work...trust me..
(to put it in real scenario , singapore won't participate in the asean force or what..coz most sgreans have "racial ties" to china)
if u think ASEAN 1 whole combined force without SG is as strong as any european country...think again..
Cambodia,Laos,Vietnam,Thailand airForce and migs and sukhois..
i don't wanna mention liao..
the whole thing combined force definitely lose out in terms of military technology and army..
Imagine, a China with 1.3 billion pple and if it dedicates just 5 percent of it's manpower towards military buildup of jets..
Your outdated MIG-23 and MIG-25 can be blown outta the sky. -
Oh plssssssssssssss.. You guys only want to fight war only. You think China top leaders really love the island so much meh! China got so many tribes and religions; if taiwan can be independent den these ppl will want to split China up to form their own nations... THE MAIN REASON!!!!!!!!!!
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read your brilliant post again..tell me wats wrong with itOriginally posted by sleepless_jun:Oh plssssssssssssss.. You guys only want to fight war only. You think China top leaders really love the island so much meh! China got so many tribes and religions; if taiwan can be independent den these ppl will want to split China up to form their own nations... THE MAIN REASON!!!!!!!!!! 
even if the dont love Island they still will invade Taiwan right..so wats the diff?
aiyo..say until so diffcult...one of the main issue here is Tibet..not many tribe..
if ROC can go independent..Tibet will surely follow suit..maybe HK..or even Macau..
dun try to act smart here lah...most of the forumer know more crap then u..
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go www.scramble.nl
and just take a look at S.E.A's orbat..and laos..
has over 26 MIG-21..
or bangladeshi air force..
8 MIG-29 , the rest all mig-21 and sabres..
Some of our planes in Air Force Museum...those hawker hunter can provide a serious challenge..
Frankly speaking , 1 US Aircraft Carrier BG , can wipe out all of S.E.A.. -
Hello my friend! Tribe does not mean Tibet (go check dict)Originally posted by NathanG5:read your brilliant post again..tell me wats wrong with it
even if the dont love Island they still will invade Taiwan right..so wats the diff?
aiyo..say until so diffcult...one of the main issue here is Tibet..not many tribe..
if ROC can go independent..Tibet will surely follow suit..maybe HK..or even Macau..
dun try to act smart here lah...most of the forumer know more crap then u..
oh plssssss..
; there are over 55 minority nationalities in China ok... Imagine they all want to have independent state and dispute and strikes will be all over the country. And those muslim in Xinjiang leh. Hk... oh pls.......... Use what? HK civilian army?????????? Next time before you act smart pls do some research! Somemore whats the point attack rest of asia for f**k????? Invade Japan porn industry??????? -
u are funny..Originally posted by sleepless_jun:Hello my friend! Tribe does not mean Tibet (go check dict) ; there are over 55 minority nationalities in China ok... Imagine they all want to have independent state and dispute and strikes will be all over the country. And those muslim in Xinjiang leh. Hk... oh pls.......... Use what? HK civilian army?????????? Next time before you act smart pls do some research! Somemore whats the point attack rest of asia for f**k????? Invade Japan porn industry???????
since when i say tribe = tibet???
the issue between Taiwan n China..is that China recognise Taiwan as one of their province..is Tibet one of their province? yes rite?
does Taiwan look like a tribe to u?
wat izit gotta with tribes? u are not living in some dynasty era...
where tribe can ally n form a bigger army..how are they gona do that
its a provincial problem not a tribal thingy..
Xinjiang a province also..not tribe crap...
read your own post again...
u said if Taiwan can go independant..definitely HK will want also right? common sense right?
wats with the army? read your post again..how the hell is the 55 minority gona fight to become independant? a minority civilian army?
very contradicting rite
y not u ask Hitler y he want to invade the other countries...u might get the same answer..
if u still dont understand..the question is "wat if china invade asia" mean its a possibility..maybe yes maybe no..nothing is impossible..
dude ive done my basic knowledge well..its not abt researching its abt common sense -
Tribe= a social grp of ppl made up of the same race, beliefs, customs, language.
You misunderstood part of my initial message. And i never said war. only dispute and unrest. Listed Hk is because they are close trading partners, if China not hapi give economic problem then hell liao. During WW2 the europe are strongly influence by colonialism and racism. Cannot compare with today China. Stop posting anymore; diff perspectives Apologise to other military nuts; unintentionally talk about non military issue in this forum. -
Originally posted by sleepless_jun:
now i get it..no problem..all clear up!
Tribe= a social grp of ppl made up of the same race, beliefs, customs, language.
You misunderstood part of my initial message. And i never said war. only dispute and unrest. Listed Hk is because they are close trading partners, if China not hapi give economic problem then hell liao. During WW2 the europe are strongly influence by colonialism and racism. Cannot compare with today China. [b]Stop posting anymore; diff perspectives Apologise to other military nuts; unintentionally talk about non military issue in this forum.[/b] -
again did not use brain before making comments, the largest aircraft carrier carry about 90 planes, out of these, give you 75 f-18 & f-14 , Singapore already have more planes than that .............. you still think enough ?Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:go www.scramble.nl
and just take a look at S.E.A's orbat..and laos..
has over 26 MIG-21..
or bangladeshi air force..
8 MIG-29 , the rest all mig-21 and sabres..
Some of our planes in Air Force Museum...those hawker hunter can provide a serious challenge..
Frankly speaking , 1 US Aircraft Carrier BG , can wipe out all of S.E.A.. -
can our combined naval asset defend S.E.A?
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When did Bangladesh joins S.E.A? By the way,Malaysia got Mig-29 and Su-30MMK r coming soon.Indon is also having few Su-30.Vietnam got a number of Su-27!Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:go www.scramble.nl
and just take a look at S.E.A's orbat..and laos..
has over 26 MIG-21..
or bangladeshi air force..
8 MIG-29 , the rest all mig-21 and sabres..
Some of our planes in Air Force Museum...those hawker hunter can provide a serious challenge..
Frankly speaking , 1 US Aircraft Carrier BG , can wipe out all of S.E.A.. -
Originally posted by ray243:
I think lose for sure. China is just too powerful! It is not fair to compare China to ASEAN.
what happens if china succeeded in invading taiwan and south korea without the use of nukes.
After that, the declared war on south east asia and move all available asset to nake us surrender. INstead, all ASEAN memberrs join to form a [b]full military alliance and decided to fight the PLA.
NO nukes is being used in the war fearing the USA may use nukes on china. USA is also not interferring with the affair due to what happen recently in taiwan.
THis happen in the year 2012, just 4 years after taiwan was conqured.
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Instead of ASEAN vs China why not World vs China! -
thats why i mentioned..CARRIER BATTLE GROUP LAR UNCLE!Originally posted by storywolf:again did not use brain before making comments, the largest aircraft carrier carry about 90 planes, out of these, give you 75 f-18 & f-14 , Singapore already have more planes than that .............. you still think enough ?
"Everyone in RSAF knows that USAF and USN carrier aircraft are armed with better technology then those which they sell to others..alot of stuffs, which they have, we don't have..., only Singapore using Block 52 vipers...but USAF uses Block 52+ variant..---they do it so as to maintain air superiority..
They won't sell you some of their fighter technology der....comparing our RSAF
and USAF not in terms of size but rather in terms of 1 on 1..as 1 F-16 vs 1 F/A-18
i believe that USAF's Fighter Jet is much much better, why?
Cause the yankees invented the airplane and perfected the wright brother's invention into F/A-22 Raptor"
Frankly , if USA's 1 CBG just come here...it's a overkill...
those countries surrounding thailand will all send their MIG-21 flying coffins over..
and our F-16 C/D will all be shot down....sadly..
1 Carrier Holds 90 Aircraft and considering that the other ships can fire tomahawk onto ur TAB,SBAB,CAB,KAB or whatever..
I can tell you that less then 10 will be airworthy after the air strikes done by cruise missiles and JDAM -
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Irrelevant. The ASEAN coalition or alliance will fail before the commencement of hostilities.
1) Logistics nightmare due to different platforms and technologies utilised by the members.
2) Different tactics.
3) Fallout due to failure to agree on command roles. Who's gonna lead the alliance? You think anyone would give way to the other on this? -
why can't they be together, when plp are desperate, they can do almost anything...but can our entire airforce fare better than the PLAAF? we got more planes or they have more?
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urh.... you go take a lesson from SBSK on who got more planes and if our airforce fare better than..... He may be talking nonsense sometimes but he knows hell of a lot more than you to come out with this kind of thread.Originally posted by ray243:why can't they be together, when plp are desperate, they can do almost anything...but can our entire airforce fare better than the PLAAF? we got more planes or they have more? -
coughs..
ive just read a defense magazine and it said china has obtained..
100 SU-30 from Russia..
The reason why China can fight us or taiwan is that it has 1 hell of a aircraft industries with license to manufacture the SU-27..(even though some of it is soviet stuffs and modified with chinese technology)
China is also smarter to purchase more israeli missiles and installing more systems made by them.
go scramble.nl
and take a look of those airforces in asia..
add them all up..
in comparison..you add up the amount of joint training and exercises
conduct between each other..
And you have to see whether the airbases got good support facilities to help each other out etc.. and good weapons like AIM-9X and AIM-120
Combined ASEAN forces will still fail , cause those northern countries in ASEAN
are third world country...
Probably if Taiwan join it help might balance , but temporary period cause China has a damn huge hinterland..even Japan during WWII only ate less then half of china
The only planes which ASEAN has which poses a threat to PL-AAF is F-16 C/D and SU-30 technology above
But when enemy has quantity and quality over you, it's a definite lose.
"The current modernization at the Air Force is visible in many aircraft programs. Delivery of J-11 Air Defence Fighter (licence build Su-27SK)and Su-30MKK Multi-Role Fighter continues, with upgrades of the older versions already being introduced.
New front-line airplane programs include the J-10 fighter that obtained operational status in 2003 and the FC-1 lightweight fighter that had its first flight in 2003." extracted from scramble.nl..
it shows the present airforce modernisation , don't forget china's gdp is over a trillion now..
See , quite alot of information as well
http://www.stormpages.com/jetfight
China is no longer the china 20 years before..which you all say..
OI so backward,like kampong or xiang sia...
China also has some mid air-air refueling tankers..
you compare lor
http://www.scramble.nl/cn.htm
just take a look at the picture..
and see how many bases china has...
even if 1 base contain 10 plane..also very strong liao
They got unlimited resources and they wanna build how many also no problems.. -
And don't forget..2.5 million army..just walk inside ur country u die..ler..
2.5 million army out of 1 .3 billion is also less then even 0.5 % of the whole population...
the only way to make china a non-threat....IS..
to remove the communism, and cause an internal topple.
No, you can't attack and topple the communist regime in China like what you did in Iraq..
Just send some democractic forces into the CCP government..
and change it into Democracy ^^
Give China 20 more years and u will see..
PLN- SUN YAT SEN(aircraft carrier) outside Los Angeles harbor -
Sorry to boy, carrier groups so what ?Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:thats why i mentioned..CARRIER BATTLE GROUP LAR UNCLE!
"Everyone in RSAF knows that USAF and USN carrier aircraft are armed with better technology then those which they sell to others..alot of stuffs, which they have, we don't have..., only Singapore using Block 52 vipers...but USAF uses Block 52+ variant..---they do it so as to maintain air superiority..
They won't sell you some of their fighter technology der....comparing our RSAF
and USAF not in terms of size but rather in terms of 1 on 1..as 1 F-16 vs 1 F/A-18
i believe that USAF's Fighter Jet is much much better, why?
Cause the yankees invented the airplane and perfected the wright brother's invention into F/A-22 Raptor"
Frankly , if USA's 1 CBG just come here...it's a overkill...
those countries surrounding thailand will all send their MIG-21 flying coffins over..
and our F-16 C/D will all be shot down....sadly..
1 Carrier Holds 90 Aircraft and considering that the other ships can fire tomahawk onto ur TAB,SBAB,CAB,KAB or whatever..
I can tell you that less then 10 will be airworthy after the air strikes done by cruise missiles and JDAM
Sorry to tell you boy, you got your information wrong, a lot of countries like singapore have F16s more advance then USAF, it is common know fact, there are system out there that are more advance then US ones, like from isreal.
So what a carrier group ? with combine attack of missile boats, subs and airplanes ,think the carrier group also have more than it can handle. -
When you became as dumb as him !!! if he know a lot , he will not be talking nonsense.Originally posted by sgdiehard:urh.... you go take a lesson from SBSK on who got more planes and if our airforce fare better than..... He may be talking nonsense sometimes but he knows hell of a lot more than you to come out with this kind of thread. -
Interesting scenario.Let's put things into perspective here...
If we take the cream of ASEAN's air forces,e.g RSAF F-16C/Ds Block 52(Israeli mods), RMAF's MIG-29Ks, F/A-18E/Fs, RTAF's F-16A/Bs, and their respective naval platforms, e.g RSN's Delta-class frigates, RMN's Lekiu-class frigates.We may be able to sting back, but only if we have a comprehensive and coherent logisitical backbone that can really integrate our armed forces into a networked force.If you include Australia into the picture, things might change a little, becuase of the entrance of the Collins-clas subs , which are one of the deadliest diesel electric subs this side of the world currently...Many people fail to realise that the Straits of Malacca is a trap for any bluewater navy when faced with a littoral force that has been operating here for decades.