The Glock Quiz
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'Originally posted by John Ching:I m not referring it to any girlie comment between me & johnston, but seriously, the weapon is so light that I sometimes forget that I'm carrying it which can be quite a problem, though it hasn't occur yet. Thats why I try to carry a slightly heavier gun. It may be incovenience but at least I know its there.
You quite explicitly said that "NOt saying that Glock is a girlie Gun".
While you do not say that it is, you are insinuating that it is.
You are welcome to carry around a .50 Desert Eagle, or maybe a large revolver.
By large, let's start off with .44 Magnums, and maybe even go to .454 and .480s.
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Er! Johnston, aren't you being sensitive over a gun?
Anyway, seriously, would you carry a cannon for a whole day or more?
Desert Eagle is fun to play with but definately not for work unless you know inadvance that you're going to have to stop a car or a truck.
As I've said before, i prefer to carry a Walther P99 but I can't. So I'm usually carrying either a .40 Beretta Cougar 8045 mini with the trigger modified, a Beretta 92FS chamber for 9mil or an old Browning .45 M1911A1. There are others but these are the usual preferred choices.
Of course, theres also the glock 28 compact .40 cal which I would use only as backup if need be.
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the glock chambered to .45acp was quite unstable for me. shot it a couple of months back and i didn't really like it, but i do like the stopping power of the .45.
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Hey! A shooter of my kind.
.45 does have enough power to get any job done( with regards to fire fights ) but unfortunately bigger round means less ammo per mag.
There's still an ongoing debate in the States between 9mm & .45mm calibre as to which is better in a fire fight. As I had stated earlier, I prefer to use a .40 or .45 in a close proximity shooting while a 9mm for distance shooting. Reason being that 9mm allows a shooter to have more ammo per mag which is important in a situation where there are more then 2 bad guys. In this instance more power must give way to more ammo. -
get 5.7 handguns, u can get the most shots out of it than other handguns of the same sizeOriginally posted by John Ching:Hey! A shooter of my kind.
.45 does have enough power to get any job done( with regards to fire fights ) but unfortunately bigger round means less ammo per mag.
There's still an ongoing debate in the States between 9mm & .45mm calibre as to which is better in a fire fight. As I had stated earlier, I prefer to use a .40 or .45 in a close proximity shooting while a 9mm for distance shooting. Reason being that 9mm allows a shooter to have more ammo per mag which is important in a situation where there are more then 2 bad guys. In this instance more power must give way to more ammo. -
5.7mm handguns! Well, I'm not expecting to be going to Iraq any time soon or at all. So, I don't think I would invest on it. A buddy of mine from the arms industry said that its still not a very popular gun yet as the calibre is still not legally approved for use by NATO military or law enforcement agencies either.
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uhh okay.? are you in the army already? anyway if i am not wrong, in the states they have this thing about gun bans, stating that citizens aren't allowed to own certain mags with certain rounds capacity. eh, why am i even mentioning this at all. MIL and L.E. personnel should be able to have access to pre-ban mags so that shouldn't be a problem. anyway, if you're on an op, how can you change calibers without changing the barrel and the receiver. now, surely there has to be a caliber that you'd use for the general op. it's all down to personal preference actually. well, if you'd like more ammo but with a degree of stopping power then just use the 9mm jhp? any comments on .357 cal?Originally posted by John Ching:Hey! A shooter of my kind.
.45 does have enough power to get any job done( with regards to fire fights ) but unfortunately bigger round means less ammo per mag.
There's still an ongoing debate in the States between 9mm & .45mm calibre as to which is better in a fire fight. As I had stated earlier, I prefer to use a .40 or .45 in a close proximity shooting while a 9mm for distance shooting. Reason being that 9mm allows a shooter to have more ammo per mag which is important in a situation where there are more then 2 bad guys. In this instance more power must give way to more ammo.
off-topic: any naval divers here? you guys use sigs yes?
back to topic: anyway, sb uses glocks, don't they? -
Regardless of whatever brand of gun, firing a .357 calibre handgun really kicks 1 in the ass especially if you try the comboy's or Hollywood's way of shooting( dumb! ).
If you've never used protection for your ears in open space shooting, its advisable that you do so when firing a .357. Its damn loud thats why its not good for serious work. No point in going deaf on the job when you need good coms with your team mates. Other then that, its good fun to shoot water melons with a .357. 
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blah i am talking about real world ops lah dey... onwards with .45s!Originally posted by John Ching:Regardless of whatever brand of gun, firing a .357 calibre handgun really kicks 1 in the ass especially if you try the comboy's or Hollywood's way of shooting( dumb! ).
If you've never used protection for your ears in open space shooting, its advisable that you do so when firing a .357. Its damn loud thats why its not good for serious work. No point in going deaf on the job when you need good coms with your team mates. Other then that, its good fun to shoot water melons with a .357.
anyways, if you fire indoors, use peltor's comtacs or sordins... they are quite good cause they eliminate the sound but still enables you to talk regularly..
but not only .357s can make you go deaf. there was one time during a call-out, a team was moving down a hallway and they came underfire. they engaged the threat after ID-ing it, which lasted for about 14 seconds. team leader went deaf for a couple of days and another permanently lost 30% of his hearing in one ear..
well, if you dont want to spend much then just use those squeezy ear plugs with your comms set overhead. that's what i do.. -
Are you referring to peltor comtacs H6?
Its good but you can't be wearing it for every ops can you? Especially if you're going for covert.
Alternatively, though not really silent, its better to use a silencer attachment system for reduce noise. Other then reducing the gun shot report, if there are any civilian around, they won't be shocked. They might even mistake the situation as a hollywood filming.
Using those damn ear-plugs is good, only if you're not in an ambush situation. Cause I don't think you'll have time to stick them in your ears.
Anyway, heres an adviced given to me by a doctor, he said that as human being gets older, our hearing abilities will get worst. Especially if we are exposed to loud noises offen. So its best to use everything you can get hold of to reduce the noise from the gun, your mates' weapon included.
My friend had his hearing damaged while in Afghanistan, the airforce CCTs call in a drop to close to where my friend & his team were. -
no. i am referring to peltor's comtacs. costs about SGD 600. this cuts out the 'noise' but amplifies the necessary sounds that you need. although they are quite good, sometimes you'll get a 'lag' time between the actual sound and the one you hear inside the comtacs, so you may miss some split-second commands, which is bad. i am talking about when you conduct mout/fibua and all those cqb crap.. know what i mean? also, if you don't change the batteries, then you're in for trouble if the comtacs die during an op.Originally posted by John Ching:Are you referring to peltor comtacs H6?
Its good but you can't be wearing it for every ops can you? Especially if you're going for covert.
Alternatively, though not really silent, its better to use a silencer attachment system for reduce noise. Other then reducing the gun shot report, if there are any civilian around, they won't be shocked. They might even mistake the situation as a hollywood filming.
Using those damn ear-plugs is good, only if you're not in an ambush situation. Cause I don't think you'll have time to stick them in your ears.
Anyway, heres an adviced given to me by a doctor, he said that as human being gets older, our hearing abilities will get worst. Especially if we are exposed to loud noises offen. So its best to use everything you can get hold of to reduce the noise from the gun, your mates' weapon included.
My friend had his hearing damaged while in Afghanistan, the airforce CCTs call in a drop to close to where my friend & his team were.
well we could always use suppressors, but usually during call-ups we go dynamic.. depends on the situation really.. we don't really care if the public gets 'shocked' from the noise.. i think that's the least of their concerns and i think that our people are smart enough to know that when they see men in black suits going into a building barricaded by many police cars, they'd expect it to be a real situation and not some hollywood filiming. anyway, there's always ops which don't take place 'public-infested' areas... know what i mean?
back to topic. i've never really seen our guys using it lah.. prolly cause it's too expensive to bring it over here? that's all i have to say for now lah.
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I'm 31. Hmm! I see you're referring to SWAT tactics.Originally posted by palmerised:no. i am referring to peltor's comtacs. costs about SGD 600. this cuts out the 'noise' but amplifies the necessary sounds that you need. although they are quite good, sometimes you'll get a 'lag' time between the actual sound and the one you hear inside the comtacs, so you may miss some split-second commands, which is bad. i am talking about when you conduct mout/fibua and all those cqb crap.. know what i mean? also, if you don't change the batteries, then you're in for trouble if the comtacs die during an op.
well we could always use suppressors, but usually during call-ups we go dynamic.. depends on the situation really.. we don't really care if the public gets 'shocked' from the noise.. i think that's the least of their concerns and i think that our people are smart enough to know that when they see men in black suits going into a building barricaded by many police cars, they'd expect it to be a real situation and not some hollywood filiming. anyway, there's always ops which don't take place 'public-infested' areas... know what i mean?
back to topic. i've never really seen our guys using it lah.. prolly cause it's too expensive to bring it over here? that's all i have to say for now lah.
anyway how old are you.
Now I understand why public reaction is not your concern. However, do take note about it if you happen to be assign to duties such as those carried out by the U.S Secret Service CAT. Public reaction can sometimes cause a shooter his shot unless he's got 'green' light to fire into the crowd which happened to the Secret Service, some years back, in South America( if i rememdered it correctly ).
Anyway, as I said, its better to use a silencer/suppressor for whatever purpose. Your ears are an important part of how you'll be able to carry out your job.
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haha yes i am refering to domestic, dynamic-entry type of operations.. hah and i agree with you about the use of suppressors when the situation presents, allows, or calls for it.
nevertheless, it's nice to meet you john..
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Well,perhaps a good compromise between higher calibre and more rounds would be 10mm.Like the one used in the Glock 20 used by the FBI.
Anyone has any thing to say if those in the tactical side be it Military or Law Enforcement,use reloaded rounds.AS such,the rounds will have a more standard and constant recoil.Thus it is easier to shoot and has a more controllable recoil as the same amount is expected at all times of firing. -
The developement of 10mm was for the purpose of avoiding over penetration for law enforcement. It has the same effect as a .22 cal but without the nasty damage result of the .22 cal.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Well,perhaps a good compromise between higher calibre and more rounds would be 10mm.Like the one used in the Glock 20 used by the FBI.
Anyone has any thing to say if those in the tactical side be it Military or Law Enforcement,use reloaded rounds.AS such,the rounds will have a more standard and constant recoil.Thus it is easier to shoot and has a more controllable recoil as the same amount is expected at all times of firing.
However, till date, its not the preferred choice of ammo to be used as compared to the 9mm.
I can't comfirm if the Feds are indeed using 10mm ammos or not but thats the Feds for you. I do know that the cops would not be using it to go agains the gangs armed with things like Tec-9, etc. -
Brudder, what are you smoking.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Anyone has any thing to say if those in the tactical side be it Military or Law Enforcement,use reloaded rounds.AS such,the rounds will have a more standard and constant recoil.Thus it is easier to shoot and has a more controllable recoil as the same amount is expected at all times of firing.
you smoking pot?
Did you know that when your a Cop, you have to answer for your actions?
Like for example, if you shot a suspect with a bullet not department issue, say for example Glaser slugs when your supposed to be using ball ammo, what a field day the defence lawyer can have with you?
"Gentlemen of the Jury, the officer in question had LETHAL intent and wanted to cause maximum hurt, so he invested in special ammo which has more lethal power than department issue"
Mr Lawyer then shows them two blocks of ballistic gelatin, one which was shot with a Glaser, and one with standard ball ammo. -
Which is a very interesting information, considering that the FBI was the one who requested for 10mm Auto after the 1986 Miami gunfight.Originally posted by John Ching:The developement of 10mm was for the purpose of avoiding over penetration for law enforcement. It has the same effect as a .22 cal but without the nasty damage result of the .22 cal.
However, till date, its not the preferred choice of ammo to be used as compared to the 9mm.
I can't comfirm if the Feds are indeed using 10mm ammos or not but thats the Feds for you. I do know that the cops would not be using it to go agains the gangs armed with things like Tec-9, etc.
Hmm. 9mm the preferred ammo?
After gajillion cases of suspects on drugs soaking up 9 millis like sweets?
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1st off, there is actually no wrong if an law enforcement officer had to use non-offical issued ammos( you can check on that ), especially if the criminal is using much higher power calibre weapons or wearing body-armour ( check back to 1997 shoot out between back robbers & cops in the N. Hollywood, CA. ).Originally posted by Johnston:Brudder, what are you smoking.
you smoking pot?
Did you know that when your a Cop, you have to answer for your actions?
Like for example, if you shot a suspect with a bullet not department issue, say for example Glaser slugs when your supposed to be using ball ammo, what a field day the defence lawyer can have with you?
"Gentlemen of the Jury, the officer in question had LETHAL intent and wanted to cause maximum hurt, so he invested in special ammo which has more lethal power than department issue"
Mr Lawyer then shows them two blocks of ballistic gelatin, one which was shot with a Glaser, and one with standard ball ammo.
Then theres the infamous Waco, Texas shoot-out on February 28 1993. I remember for sure no FBI agent was having any 10mm ammo in their weapon. And if FBI is anything to go by, what about the ATF agents? They weren't using no 10mm ammo when they initiated the storming of the compound. -
Ah! I see, you want a rematch on the girlie attitude again huh!Originally posted by Johnston:Which is a very interesting information, considering that the FBI was the one who requested for 10mm Auto after the 1986 Miami gunfight.
Hmm. 9mm the preferred ammo?
After gajillion cases of suspects on drugs soaking up 9 millis like sweets?
You mean .40, dont you now?
Anyway its true, about suspects not going down after being shot by a full clip of 9mm at a distance of 15 to 25 feet. And there are alot of documented cases with regards to the matter. And 1 of the most famous case is the shooting of an IRA terrorist by the SAS in Gibraltar - March 1988. Which is why I prefer .40 to .45 ammos.
Now technical views on why 10mm is worst then 9mm. As I mentioned earlier, 10mm is very much like .22 cal but the damge effects are different. For .22 cal, the bullet ricochets within the body of the target causing internal bleeding & damages that is usually beyond repair. The 10mm ammo used by law enforcers are soft heads. Meaning that, once it penetrate the target's body, it loose power to even ricochet. Instead, it depends on the fragmentation of the bullet to cause damge to the target but because the bullet already looses it momentum power upon entry of the target's body, the likely hood of the bullet fragmenting is not reliable. This is especially if the target has alot of body fats.
9mm ammo tends to over penetrate the body which results in the intended target to still remain on his 2 feet. However, the damage effects of 9mm is greater in the fact that the target's body have an entry wound & an exit wound. And I know for sure that if you shoot a target in the shoulder, he is not likely to be able to make use of that arm for the duration of the fire fight.
So now you might want to counter by saying if 10mm is that bad why the hack is the Feds using it? The answer is that the Feds want their targets alive for prosecution inorder for them to show their positive results in the press. But cops need ammo that not only enable them to protect the public but also for themselves to survive the fire fight.
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Eh John Ching,this gun not good,that ammo not good.I tell u what lahz,why don't you use your own gun?The one between your legs,shoot liaoz sure die!!!CAn fire in suto and cluster summore.Cool right?That one no need to reload,juz need to keep cocking it like a shotgun.Cool right?
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Can you tell us why are you insulting his genitals?Originally posted by SpecOps87:Eh John Ching,this gun not good,that ammo not good.I tell u what lahz,why don't you use your own gun?The one between your legs,shoot liaoz sure die!!!CAn fire in suto and cluster summore.Cool right?That one no need to reload,juz need to keep cocking it like a shotgun.Cool right?
Anyway, that Glock is a Subcompact, with a + 2 extension.
Here goes:
http://www.hkpro.com/MP5-10.htm
And what about the S&W 1076?
At the time of the request for this new caliber, the FBI was hot on this cartridge, since the .40 Smith & Wesson had not yet been invented. It was the FBI that provided the substantial financial motivation for HK to retool for the more powerful caliber. FBI has about 1,400 of these MP5s in inventory, but aside from them, the 10mm MP5 has been eclipsed by the sale of the much more popular MP5/40.
Here's a pix of a tricked out MP5
I couldnt find any confirmed HRT pics... so... hmm. -
Glock Subcompact pistol ,with magazine extension.Unfortunately i am not able to rattle all of the possible models/calibers off the top of my head yet. :OOriginally posted by crosshair II:
Has the metal plate with serial number molded in, a BATF requirement before they would allow it to be imported into the US.
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Hahaha.....!Originally posted by SpecOps87:Eh John Ching,this gun not good,that ammo not good.I tell u what lahz,why don't you use your own gun?The one between your legs,shoot liaoz sure die!!!CAn fire in suto and cluster summore.Cool right?That one no need to reload,juz need to keep cocking it like a shotgun.Cool right?
Everyone messaged that you were just a kid who's only knowledge of weapon came from spending hours on your X-box. Personally, I don't think theres anything wrong with it, if it does help you to develope reflexes. But the problem for you is that its stunned your mental growth.
I mean, from what you've told me to do, you sound just like a girl who wants to be a boy but is actually a boy who acts like a girl.
No wonder you've develope such interest on what gun I should be playing with. I bet you'ren't even man enough to know how to use it right.
Don't worry, give it a few more years & you'll definately find it & discover the joy of being a man.
By the way, if you're one of those closet-muster-bedder, get out of there. No need to be shy about it, all MAN do it regardless of age. Then again, if your a girl-want -to-be, then you can remain in the closet. I'll respect your privacy. -
[quote]Originally posted by Johnston:
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And what about the S&W 1076?
At the time of the request for this new caliber, the FBI was hot on this cartridge, since the .40 Smith & Wesson had not yet been invented. It was the FBI that provided the substantial financial motivation for HK to retool for the more powerful caliber. FBI has about 1,400 of these MP5s in inventory, but aside from them, the 10mm MP5 has been eclipsed by the sale of the much more popular MP5/40.
Hmm! This information is new to me.
Sorry, I've not much contacts with the Feds except if we're at the same shooting range which unfortuanetly I'ven't been able to go to for the last 2yrs.
However, did use the ammo for trainning purpose. Its really designed for using in places like an air cabin, etc. With regards to Spec*** I don't dislike the ammo, I just don't use it.