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i heard from my friend who just finish army, now thursday night training cancelled, because of one incident where a soldier disappeared mysteriously. then the whole bmtc search cannot find the body, then after 3 nites or smth like that, they found his organs and head laid out nice nice on the ground under a tree.. is it true? the picture was shown also rite? anyone know of this case?
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I believe you are talking abt a story of the 80s happen in Tekong :Originally posted by dumbdumb!:i heard from my friend who just finish army, now thursday night training cancelled, because of one incident where a soldier disappeared mysteriously. then the whole bmtc search cannot find the body, then after 3 nites or smth like that, they found his organs and head laid out nice nice on the ground under a tree.. is it true? the picture was shown also rite? anyone know of this case?
Here is one of the version:
http://www.spi.com.sg/stories/index.htm
Other version could be found in a thread on all the ghost stories of SAF that started abt a few months back , you could dig it up. -
Gee, you would've thought it would be mentioned in the papers. Especially since any SAF death would necessitate an independent Committee of Inquiry, to be chaired by a senior civil servant, its report submitted to MINDEF & the Defence Minister likely briefing the details during Parliament as well.
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The "stand by organ" case? it happened way back like what gary1910 mentioned.Originally posted by dumbdumb!:i heard from my friend who just finish army, now thursday night training cancelled, because of one incident where a soldier disappeared mysteriously. then the whole bmtc search cannot find the body, then after 3 nites or smth like that, they found his organs and head laid out nice nice on the ground under a tree.. is it true? the picture was shown also rite? anyone know of this case?
And as far as i remember during my time, training continued for every day and night of a week when required. Never heard of a stoppage of training on thursday nights though. -
Not all deaths are reported in the newspapers. And there are some things which the SAF chooses not to publically acknowledge. Imagine, a "professional" organisation like SAF, going around saying "my camps got hantu". What would ppl think?Originally posted by Moxie:Gee, you would've thought it would be mentioned in the papers. Especially since any SAF death would necessitate an independent Committee of Inquiry, to be chaired by a senior civil servant, its report submitted to MINDEF & the Defence Minister likely briefing the details during Parliament as well.
General exhaustion + mental fatigue + lack of sleep + night duty = hallucinations (sometimes)
There ARE certain camps that have had unusual happenings. If you've not been in one, obviously you wouldn't believe it. -
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Can you substantiate your statement with a real first hand (or even second) incident?Originally posted by esesce:Not all deaths are reported in the newspapers. -
shrugs. i believe smth did happen lor.. kinda creepy though. i tot could be some crazed murderer, but there was no body, and the organs are neatly drained of blood. besides, quite common knowledge that tekong quite dirtyOriginally posted by dragonstar:Can you substantiate your statement with a real first hand (or even second) incident? -
It all depend on indiviual. 4 me it is only a normal story
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it happen more then 20 years ago..n its a very popular story...was shown on some TV program....dunno wat 3rd door..or known in SAF as the charlie boy...Originally posted by dumbdumb!:shrugs. i believe smth did happen lor.. kinda creepy though. i tot could be some crazed murderer, but there was no body, and the organs are neatly drained of blood. besides, quite common knowledge that tekong quite dirty
so make it sound like it just happen recently..it will cause a major panic among parents..
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During my NSF days, I was one of the ppl from my coy who were arrowed to attend a funeral. This NSF (same unit diff coy) got killed during overseas exercise. Not really sure but I heard rover overturned.Originally posted by dragonstar:Can you substantiate your statement with a real first hand (or even second) incident?
Was it in the newspapers? No it was not. Pls don't be so naive as to think that everything is reported in the papers. Look at those incidents that were reported in the papers:
- 2SG Hu (needs no introduction)
- RSS Courageous (4 deaths & 1 wrecked ship)
- Artillery accident in New Zealand (think it was 1 dead & 4 injured including a NZ officer)
- Pasir Laba (1 officer killed, another got his hand [I think] blown off.
- OCS (OCT supposedly "accidentally" shot another OCT with a GPMG while at training shed).
And several others. These were all rather high profile cases which is why the papers covered them. If its just an "ordinary" one, they wouldn't bother. The guy who's funeral I attended is a perfect e.g. -
ya.. true.. newspaper sometimes cencor sensitive issues. they don't really print everything, unlike america, cause its really liberal there. why do you think they don't print dirty linen about PAP?
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the sgt hu case actually they wanted to cover up 1....but before they could some leaked it out.....and suay suay the guy's aunty is an MP.....so yea...Originally posted by esesce:During my NSF days, I was one of the ppl from my coy who were arrowed to attend a funeral. This NSF (same unit diff coy) got killed during overseas exercise. Not really sure but I heard rover overturned.
Was it in the newspapers? No it was not. Pls don't be so naive as to think that everything is reported in the papers. Look at those incidents that were reported in the papers:
- 2SG Hu (needs no introduction)
- RSS Courageous (4 deaths & 1 wrecked ship)
- Artillery accident in New Zealand (think it was 1 dead & 4 injured including a NZ officer)
- Pasir Laba (1 officer killed, another got his hand [I think] blown off.
- OCS (OCT supposedly "accidentally" shot another OCT with a GPMG while at training shed).
And several others. These were all rather high profile cases which is why the papers covered them. If its just an "ordinary" one, they wouldn't bother. The guy who's funeral I attended is a perfect e.g. -
Pls don't be so naive as to think that everything is reported in the papers.
You think the New Paper wouldn't jump over such a story, or many of the ghostly encounters "encountered" by today's servicemen? Shouldn't the so-called SPI ghostbusters have come up with an irrefutably-established, scientifically-proven breakthrough by now, after so many years?
Sure, serviceman deaths have always been investigated by various levels of COI's, with an independent one (i.e. not MINDEF-controlled) only convened if there's alleged training or safety lapses. Only the latter type of report is obligedly made known to Parliament & the media.
But please, lah. A fantastic tale of "mysterious disappearance ... found organs/head after 3 nights 'nice nice' on the ground under a tree" - & it hasn't sink into popular consciousness & inspire countless movies & publications (like the Adrian Lim case)?
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Sorry hor but I think ur info not accurate. Hu got no aunty who is a MP. Hu's father who is a doctor insisted that the hospital cut his son body to find out whether his lungs was full of water or not. Thus the case can't be covered up. Hu's uncle is my collegue and also one of my manager.Originally posted by |-|05|:the sgt hu case actually they wanted to cover up 1....but before they could some leaked it out.....and suay suay the guy's aunty is an MP.....so yea... -
aiyah, newspaper won't print stuff dat defames SAF or gahmen one....not as if we 1st day read the papers. dats why have the MITA tag for newspaper mah, MITA is gahmen sector, u think they will allow defamatory stuff to be shown on newspaper ? its only logical...
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TNP may be a tabaloid but the S'pore press is pretty much controlled & you will not see ANYONE (TNP included) publish such stories unless SAF clears it. Besides, if SAF keeps it to themselves & doesn't even report, how the hell would TNP know about it?Originally posted by Moxie:You think the New Paper wouldn't jump over such a story, or many of the ghostly encounters "encountered" by today's servicemen? Shouldn't the so-called SPI ghostbusters have come up with an irrefutably-established, scientifically-proven breakthrough by now, after so many years?
Sure, serviceman deaths have always been investigated by various levels of COI's, with an independent one (i.e. not MINDEF-controlled) only convened if there's alleged training or safety lapses. Only the latter type of report is obligedly made known to Parliament & the media.
But please, lah. A fantastic tale of "mysterious disappearance ... found organs/head after 3 nights 'nice nice' on the ground under a tree" - & it hasn't sink into popular consciousness & inspire countless movies & publications (like the Adrian Lim case)?
It's fun to share ghost stories & urban myths, but no need to be so farfetched or superstitious.
And for your info, SPI is merely a group of ppl with similar interests. They are certainly not paranormal experts or "ghostbusters" as you call them. And once again, if SAF does not even leak out such news, how would SPI (or anyone for that fact) know about it? Besides, SAF camps are off limits to civilians, you think SPI can just stroll in like that?
Since you are such a strong DISbeliever, can you please tell me the reason for the 3rd door? Why it is that a room has a 3rd door built when the door does NOT even lead anywhere. For fun issit? And how come a room in a certain camp was mysteriously sealed up. If they don't need the room, just leave it lah, why must use cement & seal up the doors & windows?
And how about the incidents of bak kwa being brought to Tekong & strange occurances after that such as beds moving? Did you know that Tekong was built on a Muslim burial ground & pork is "haram" to Muslims? Why else do you think recruits used to be told NOT to bring pork to their bunks.
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The case was brought up in parliament by a lady MP (a Malay) so Teo Chee Hean boh pian must give reply.Originally posted by Manager433:Sorry hor but I think ur info not accurate. Hu got no aunty who is a MP. Hu's father who is a doctor insisted that the hospital cut his son body to find out whether his lungs was full of water or not. Thus the case can't be covered up. Hu's uncle is my collegue and also one of my manager. -
In today's Singapore. I think covering up anything is a little harder since there would definitely be witnesses or circumstantial evidence. People dun just disappear. So if they want people to shut up, someone must be getting paid. And if u witnessed it and they wanted to hush the thing up, i think u should ask for money or favours.
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woah woah. relax.. i think most impt is everyone get thru NS peacefully, and get out safely.
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TNP may be a tabaloid but the S'pore press is pretty much controlled & you will not see ANYONE (TNP included) publish such stories unless SAF clears it. Besides, if SAF keeps it to themselves & doesn't even report, how the hell would TNP know about it?
Are you that familiar with the newspaper business? Cuz I'm skeptical. FYI The S'pore press isn't "controlled"; it's fiercely pro-establishment. For professional reasons, it doesn't report things without a factual basis & - contrary to your implication - it has touched on supposedly supernatural issues before. Also, since when did it need SAF "clearance" to report such stuff?And for your info, SPI is merely a group of ppl with similar interests. They are certainly not paranormal experts or "ghostbusters"; as you call them.
SPI supposedly stands for Singapore Paranormal Investigators (self-explanatory). Have they closed a case outside of the military realm?There are MANY things in the world which can't be explained so easily. So don't just discount everything as fake.
Won't dignify your other wild speculations, but who said I discounted everything as fake? FYI I do believe in things paranormal, i.e. beyond scientific explanation, cuz something like acupunture & the I-Ching are "paranormal" (but not supernatural). Ditto in things supernatural, i.e. beyond natural/physical laws, cuz something dreams & premonitions are "supernatural" (but not paranormal).
But I've also conscious in not subscribing to superstition, i.e. an internal irrational belief/fear of the unknown. I certainly don't believe in ghosts, either. My active kakis & I joked about the latter before when we were camped inside a cemetary: if we did see a ghostly apparition ahead of us, would it take the form of a pontinak, demon, ghoul, zombie, et al? Would everybody feel the same fear if it doesn't "belong" to their culture/religion? If there's a frightened cat next to us, what did it see - a monster cat? A dog? -
Come on Moxie!! Grow up & stop being naive!! If the press ain't controlled, why do all papers need the approval from the Ministry of Info & Arts? As for SAF clearance, in the first place if SAF does not leak out such news, there's no way the newspaper will know. Secondly, even if the newspaper knows, you think they can just walk into the camp?
In case you didn't know, you can't just stroll into camp. Esp if you are a reporter. You need permission before you can enter to report about anything. I'm starting to wonder if you even did NS in the first place.
And it doesn't matter what SPI stands for, the fact is that they are NOT a group of "ghostbusters" as you called them. And to answer your question, NO they have not closed any cases. Go to their website & you'll see 90% of the cases are open ended.
And BTW, accupuncture is a traditional Chinese medicine method. It is certainly NOT paranormal. At least get your facts right first!!
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Now you're grasping at straws, ecesce.
Grow up? I'm 38, bro - even finished my reservist cycle already.
MITA isn't a secret police or a leviathan that controls the daily running of the media. It awards licences, as well as the power to suspend, cancel or shorten the licence period there's alleged infringement of media-related legislation (the relevant Statute Acts - see under Newspapers here: http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/subindex/N.htm ) The latter is why the more-liberal journalists are sometimes fighting against, not some omnipresent control. Don't mix them up.
Why keep bringing up camp access for reporters? There's plenty of local training grounds (outside of SAFTI Live Firing Area) where ghostly encounters supposedly took place. Nothing to stop the press from lurking around for stories.
Re: "traditional Chinese medicine method is certainly NOT paranormal". Not true, if you look under the word defination. Simple question: Has TCM been scientifically proven yet? Don't watch them ang-mo "paranormal" TV shows too much, at the risk of provincialising your mindset further.
No need to provide to provide "a rational view of what really occurred." In case you didn't get it last time around, I already pointed out that you're subscribing to superstition with the, whatisit, Third Door & stuff. Whether they exist or not is one thing, but that's separate from the irrational belief in them (which is superstition).
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ur info is about 20 years late..... what processer r u using huh?Originally posted by dumbdumb!:i heard from my friend who just finish army, now thursday night training cancelled, because of one incident where a soldier disappeared mysteriously. then the whole bmtc search cannot find the body, then after 3 nites or smth like that, they found his organs and head laid out nice nice on the ground under a tree.. is it true? the picture was shown also rite? anyone know of this case? -
Moxie, in case you didn't know, age does not equate to maturity. I know a 13 year old girl who's more mature in her thinking than a 40 year old aunt of mine!! Go figure.
Yes, MITA is not a secret police but if there is no censorship at all, why would every paper need their approval? In fact, the govt had previously explained why it was necessary to have some degree of control & censorship. In otherwords, they did not deny that there was control & censorship. So why are you arguing other wise & claiming that the papers here are not subjected to control by the govt?
I keep bringing up camp access for reporters simply 'cos there are MANY incidents that occur inside camps. And even the training grounds are by right out of bounds to non SAF personnel, so by right reporters aren't suppose to lurk there too.
TCM has a very long history dating back to even before the ang mohs invented their cures. Now even the ang mohs are starting to admit that TCM is not all hype & it does work. Give it some time & TCM I am sure WILL be scientifically proven. Right now the white man rules the world. If the Chinese ruled the world, I'm sure no one would be doubting whether TCM is for real or not.
A rationale view would help since you claim those events are all untrue. There's a difference between superstition & supernatural encounters. The 3rd door was not built for 'good luck' or wat have you. And like I said, why would they bother to call contractors in to cement & brick up the doors & windows of a room? If they don't need to use the room any more, just close the door. WHY go thru the trouble to seal it up like that? Superstition? Explain how superstition had anything to do with that.
Since you're such a big fan of SPI, I'm sure you've been to their website. And I'm sure you've read the "investigation" they did about the 3rd door & the sealed room which I talk about. So to answer your question, those things are true. A 3rd door WAS built and the room WAS sealed. Now the question once again, is WHY?? For fun? I think not.
Blind faith as you call it, is simply shoving aside everything that we can't explain & pretending it doesn't exist. In other words, just buat bodoh about it since we can't understand or explain it.
Its just like trying to convince some ppl that God exists. You will surely encounter ppl who feel that there's no such thing as God. We are not talking about whether Freddy Krueger or Jason exists. Those are monsters from movies. We are talking about spirits.
But there's clearly no point in me wasting my breath. You are clearly someone who does not believe in spirits. Might you happen to be a free thinker I wonder??