Airsoft guns in S'pore?
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Originally posted by LazerLordz:Well, the law is an ass, as with many other archaic and outdated regulations and societal norms here.This country has no place for the minority.If you love theatre and drama, political humour, fast cars, soft drug consumption, civil activism or any other activity that clashes with how this place is run, you are bound to be either sidelined of penalised, esp with the soft drug consumption.
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Johnston,Airsoft GLock 17 can be bought at S$400,but if you get an actual Glock 17,I reckon it would cost more then that....
Besides,what to do,we have 2 ways,either resign ourselves to fate or petition...haha -
Well a real Glock if I remember correct is about US$460 that is where I last seen it it in the biggest outdoor shop in US.Originally posted by SpecOps87:Johnston,Airsoft GLock 17 can be bought at S$400,but if you get an actual Glock 17,I reckon it would cost more then that....
Besides,what to do,we have 2 ways,either resign ourselves to fate or petition...haha -
If i am not wrong, glock 17 sold between S$800 and $1,100 in SG
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Hmm! I'm not sure if the S'pore law on airsoft gun is affected by the death of Bradon Lee, son of the late Bruce Lee? He was killed by an air gun while filming the movie the Crow.
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i tot is real bullet, he died his father's style mah....Originally posted by John Ching:Hmm! I'm not sure if the S'pore law on airsoft gun is affected by the death of Bradon Lee, son of the late Bruce Lee? He was killed by an air gun while filming the movie the Crow. -
No.It was a blank firing gun.But there was sumthing stuck in the barrel.When the trigger was squeezed,though it was loaded with blanks,the gas propelled the object at such a fast speed that it was almost the same as being shot by live rounds.
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Yea he spend something like 2 mths in there....but it was a low security prison.Originally posted by the.raven:what teh Fcuk?
They cleared up that mess after the 2 mths.
Btw Oral sex is outlawed in some US states too.So we're not that far behind.
Anyway Cpl Ho while i'm sure you are a responsible person we cannot say the same for the rest of our country can we?After all look at how most Singaporeans behave when boarding the MRT or at a sale etc etc etc.The reason why country's like the US and Europe allow all this is because MOST of the people are socially responsible while in singapore it's the other way round!
And the reason the gov doesnt just allow us to ran amok is mainly due to the fact that we are a small country and cannot afford such a painful lesson.We have the advantage in this reigon......that we cannot afford to give up.So there are many more concerns.
I right now if some guy draws a gun on me i can be 90% sure it's a toy and fight back.However if real or even airsoft guns are allowed then....well it's different.Therefore crime rate shld go up.
Btw i've been shoot by a spring loaded gun before.And i still have the scar where i pryed the damn pellet out of my palm.The power wasnt as high as an electrical or gas powered air gun with perhaps half the range but my hand hurt like hell for a week. -
I understand your point, except the one above... isn't it easier to track someone down in a small country if he commits a crime compare to a big country?Originally posted by |-|05|:And the reason the gov doesnt just allow us to ran amok is mainly due to the fact that we are a small country and cannot afford such a painful lesson.
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Yes, but that's not the point is it? So what if you can find the immatured ass-hole after he had killed some people with his gun?Originally posted by Cpl Ho:I understand your point, except the one above... isn't it easier to track someone down in a small country if he commits a crime compare to a big country?
And it makes it so much easier for criminals to get guns by breaking into a gun owner's home and stealing the gun. -
yes it is.....but imagine what that would do to investor confidence? easier to track...but easier to get killed to.It works both ways man.Originally posted by Cpl Ho:I understand your point, except the one above... isn't it easier to track someone down in a small country if he commits a crime compare to a big country?
besides letting guns out would be the last thing on the list.Before that there would be easing of other laws.It's the easing of all these erm...laws that would cause problems man -
Sorry, dun really understand your point... you mean a smaller country is 'much easier for criminals to get guns by breaking into a gun owner's home and stealing the gun'? Why so? You mean it's much harder in other countries where their houses are far apart and their doors are usually opened?Originally posted by dragonstar:Yes, but that's not the point is it? So what if you can find the immatured ass-hole after he had killed some people with his gun?
And it makes it so much easier for criminals to get guns by breaking into a gun owner's home and stealing the gun. -
Hmmm... I dun think investor confidence would be affected by some airsoft guns... R they affected in HK? More likely investors are not coming because the place is boring and the workers have no passion and creativity...Originally posted by |-|05|:yes it is.....but imagine what that would do to investor confidence? easier to track...but easier to get killed to.It works both ways man.
besides letting guns out would be the last thing on the list.Before that there would be easing of other laws.It's the easing of all these erm...laws that would cause problems man
What laws cause wat problems? Dun understand what you are trying to say... -
HK, with its history of AK47 robbers spraying rounds in downtown Central has no problems with investor confidence. Wah, lucky me man, I just took the MTR from Central to CausewayBay 5 minutes before the shooting started. This was in 1995.Originally posted by Cpl Ho:Hmmm... I dun think investor confidence would be affected by some airsoft guns... R they affected in HK? More likely investors are not coming because the place is boring and the workers have no passion and creativity...
What laws cause wat problems? Dun understand what you are trying to say... -
I meant if airsoft guns were allowed and more robberies happen investor confidence will dip.After all if some1 pulls out something that looks and maybe even feels like the real thing,you cannot confirm that it is not....you dont wanna take the risk now do u?That would pose a problem.Especially if some ass does bring in a real gun and runs loose.With so many look alikes how the heck are you going to find out which?Originally posted by Cpl Ho:Hmmm... I dun think investor confidence would be affected by some airsoft guns... R they affected in HK? More likely investors are not coming because the place is boring and the workers have no passion and creativity...
What laws cause wat problems? Dun understand what you are trying to say...
What laws? well the lifting of the law for airsoft would most likely come after other less serious laws have been taken off.Namely having a casino and stuff like that.Honestly there are many other laws and rules that are less serious then allowing airsoft guns. -
exactly my point....If this happens in Singapore, there will be a dip in investor confidence.It will most likely be for a short while....maybe 6mths? Well during those 6mths others in the reigon will gladly fill in and take those investor money away.Singapore cannot allow that to happen.I mean look how the gov stepped in with the SIA dispute.The went in and said....Look we cannot allow your differences to affect singapore as a transport hub so u either work it out or we do it for u!Originally posted by Xprobe:HK, with its history of AK47 robbers spraying rounds in downtown Central has no problems with investor confidence. Wah, lucky me man, I just took the MTR from Central to CausewayBay 5 minutes before the shooting started. This was in 1995. -
I used to live in Hong Kong and another Singaporean friend living there quickly introduceed me to airsoft guns.
I bought and modified an MP5 and joined in in "wargames" with other airgun enthusiasts, mostly Hong Kongers.
The HKers love to dress up in full gear with helmet, SBO and flak vests!
Some would be dressed as SS Waffen and armed with the Stg 43.
Some would be dressed as SWAT in full gear with sidearms etc. Very impressive - to look at.
Me and my friend are rather more simple. He dons his SAF No 4, SBO and beret where I just wear my No4 pants and boots. Top I wear a hunting camo smock my friend gave me. No SBO or headgear.
Airsoft battles are really adrenalin pumping events. Everyone has heavily-modified weapons that will give you severe swelling if you get shot too close.
It's great fun as once, I saw a troop of about 15 from the enemy side trying to flank us. I could see them from 500m away cos one of the idiots was dressed in SWAT all black moving through low bush!
I led my friend and another HKer to a position to ambush them. When they walked into our trap, we shot about 12 of them. But one guy broke off and attacked me from a side I wasn't watching. I got shot in the neck, arm and fingers.
My neck bled from a pellet cut and my fingers were swelling slightly as was my arm. He shot me from about 10 metres away.
My friend shot him in return.
SAF should introduce this for training. Never have I taken cover or run so quickly during SAF training. But in airsoft battles, you really learn to flatten yourself on the ground or find better cover whem some idiot is shreddding the foilage of the bush you are hiding behind with a deadly spray of pellets.
With this kind of hurt you would definitely take your training very seriously. For example, you would understand that camouflaging yourself with grass is not such a silly idea after all... -
agree dat our police and army should use airsoft to mimic war situationOriginally posted by tvdog:I used to live in Hong Kong and another Singaporean friend living there quickly introduceed me to airsoft guns.
I bought and modified an MP5 and joined in in "wargames" with other airgun enthusiasts, mostly Hong Kongers.
The HKers love to dress up in full gear with helmet, SBO and flak vests!
Some would be dressed as SS Waffen and armed with the Stg 43.
Some would be dressed as SWAT in full gear with sidearms etc. Very impressive - to look at.
Me and my friend are rather more simple. He dons his SAF No 4, SBO and beret where I just wear my No4 pants and boots. Top I wear a hunting camo smock my friend gave me. No SBO or headgear.
Airsoft battles are really adrenalin pumping events. Everyone has heavily-modified weapons that will give you severe swelling if you get shot too close.
It's great fun as once, I saw a troop of about 15 from the enemy side trying to flank us. I could see them from 500m away cos one of the idiots was dressed in SWAT all black moving through low bush!
I led my friend and another HKer to a position to ambush them. When they walked into our trap, we shot about 12 of them. But one guy broke off and attacked me from a side I wasn't watching. I got shot in the neck, arm and fingers.
My neck bled from a pellet cut and my fingers were swelling slightly as was my arm. He shot me from about 10 metres away.
My friend shot him in return.
SAF should introduce this for training. Never have I taken cover or run so quickly during SAF training. But in airsoft battles, you really learn to flatten yourself on the ground or find better cover whem some idiot is shreddding the foilage of the bush you are hiding behind with a deadly spray of pellets.
With this kind of hurt you would definitely take your training very seriously. For example, you would understand that camouflaging yourself with grass is not such a silly idea after all... -
Dog,Originally posted by tvdog:I used to live in Hong Kong and another Singaporean friend living there quickly introduceed me to airsoft guns.
I bought and modified an MP5 and joined in in "wargames" with other airgun enthusiasts, mostly Hong Kongers.
The HKers love to dress up in full gear with helmet, SBO and flak vests!
Some would be dressed as SS Waffen and armed with the Stg 43.
Some would be dressed as SWAT in full gear with sidearms etc. Very impressive - to look at.
Me and my friend are rather more simple. He dons his SAF No 4, SBO and beret where I just wear my No4 pants and boots. Top I wear a hunting camo smock my friend gave me. No SBO or headgear.
Airsoft battles are really adrenalin pumping events. Everyone has heavily-modified weapons that will give you severe swelling if you get shot too close.
It's great fun as once, I saw a troop of about 15 from the enemy side trying to flank us. I could see them from 500m away cos one of the idiots was dressed in SWAT all black moving through low bush!
I led my friend and another HKer to a position to ambush them. When they walked into our trap, we shot about 12 of them. But one guy broke off and attacked me from a side I wasn't watching. I got shot in the neck, arm and fingers.
My neck bled from a pellet cut and my fingers were swelling slightly as was my arm. He shot me from about 10 metres away.
My friend shot him in return.
SAF should introduce this for training. Never have I taken cover or run so quickly during SAF training. But in airsoft battles, you really learn to flatten yourself on the ground or find better cover whem some idiot is shreddding the foilage of the bush you are hiding behind with a deadly spray of pellets.
With this kind of hurt you would definitely take your training very seriously. For example, you would understand that camouflaging yourself with grass is not such a silly idea after all...
I fully agree with the reality bit. Damn painful ganna hit by pellets, especially during "Power" games which is all souped up weapons. You know, I made quite a lot of money selling Beach Road bought No. 4 and SBOs, camos etc to these HK guys. They pay good money for it because it is a "hobby" activity for them.
Anyway, I lost a tooth to a pellet when I was only wearing half face mask. Was watching the game too close (I already dead) and next thing I felt a pellet at the back of my throat. Cost me HK$5000 at the dentist.
Hey, did you joined a team? If so, whats the name? My team is made up mostly of ex-british volunteer corp and a US Army officer. Maybe we skirmed before? My team is more tactics focused rather than mindless spraying the battlefield until the weapon jam or batt run out. But difficult to shot commands from the full faced mask. -
Actually, a few HK guys remodeled the airsoft to shoot another type of ammo instead of pellets. The round is a paint round held in a steel jacket. The catridge actually ejects after each shot. And the round can be shot more or less the same projectile as a live one.Originally posted by chunyong:agree dat our police and army should use airsoft to mimic war situation
The US Army/ Marines actually bought the technology and used it to train their troops. -
FX rounds, we have it here also.Originally posted by Xprobe:Actually, a few HK guys remodeled the airsoft to shoot another type of ammo instead of pellets. The round is a paint round held in a steel jacket. The catridge actually ejects after each shot. And the round can be shot more or less the same projectile as a live one.
The US Army/ Marines actually bought the technology and used it to train their troops. -
OIC, SAF also use this technology? For what?Originally posted by chunyong:FX rounds, we have it here also. -
Xprobe
No, I am not a part of any team. In fact, I stopped going to these wargames very quickly as most of the people we played against were not very sporting.
Eventually, we just lost interest and work took up most of our time. And soon we both left HK for different parts of China.
We did play one game where there were only 10 of us, all friends. So we split into 8 vs 2. The 2 would go into hiding and then the 8 would try to hunt them down. Very exciting when it's yout turn to be the ones hunted by 8 enemies. -
For training.Originally posted by Xprobe:OIC, SAF also use this technology? For what?
To put it simply, is paint rounds.