Originally posted by SpecOps87:?
[b]Okay,basically in SG,SAF and SPF uses the paper type of targets for firing practices.Wondering if the shooters feel anything.Cuz for me,there was no feelings or anything and the moment the target cums up,I just fire away,no 2nd thoughts or anything.
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Really 'balls shrink' is demolition... really admire those pioneer guys...Originally posted by Moxie:Yeah, M16 shooting's quite numbing in that regard, though I think the sense of realism is acquired with the subsequent live-firing experiences for the M203, GPMG, 84mm Carl Gustav & - if you had the chance - adjusting mortar/howitzer rounds on the fly.
Could feel my balls shrink the 1st time I handled each of those weapons (post-dry run). Very self-conscious, & sobering feelings.
well, 3d target u can see the interior of the dummy ganna wasted mah. see how the bullet 'travel' while in the body. plus dummy allows multiple people to engage it from different angles, of cos, definitely not one infront one behind lah.Originally posted by Johnston:but to really really answer the question posed by the starter.
SOF in general can do whatever they please in training. You wanna buy a mannequin and use it as a target? Go ahead, just remember to throw the damn thing away when your done.
And dummies have been used in military training before, such as the USMC 8541 course. *grinz*
However, i fail to see how shooting at a 3D target makes any more difference than a 2D one. Seeing that a vast majority of training academies use 2D targets as a matter of course.
i really agree, seeing a side charge going off when i was about 200-300 m away, really shrunk my ballsOriginally posted by Cpl Ho:Really 'balls shrink' is demolition... really admire those pioneer guys...![]()
hope you didn't see the side charge going off, if not violation of TSR, all should be under cover (cannot see, for safety lah).Originally posted by Geforce3:i really agree, seeing a side charge going off when i was about 200-300 m away, really shrunk my balls
Originally posted by chunyong:When you hit a target 3D or 2D you seldom see the effect.
well, 3d target u can see the interior of the dummy ganna wasted mah. see how the bullet 'travel' while in the body. plus dummy allows multiple people to engage it from different angles, of cos, definitely not one infront one behind lah.
What about igniting the detonator? That seems to me to be the time when balls really shrink...Originally posted by Geforce3:i really agree, seeing a side charge going off when i was about 200-300 m away, really shrunk my balls
u get to see the fillings of the doll. it is important to know the path of the bullet to determine is someone passes the test or not. i never meant the doll still stands after being shot, wat i trying to say is dat if it is 3d, it is more possible for another fella (180 deg) to engage it from an angle, if its 2d, not really possible. for example, when someone makes entry from the window, don't expect the bugger to squarely face you mah....more likely he will be facing the door with the hostage.Originally posted by baer:Am pioneer,
When you hit a target 3D or 2D you seldom see the effect.
If hit - drop dead/wounded
if missed - target will take cover.
Only a dummy would expect to see another dummy still standing after being hit.
If you want gore see slasher movies or become a butcher at abattior, then see blood, gore and other stuff all day.
when the time comes for the real stuff, u will fire not becos u are fighting for ur country, its becos u are fighting for your own survival. paper target serves to let u practice so u get up to a certain level of expertise and familiarity with the weapon and how far the rd goes b4 it dips etc.Quite true. Range-shooting's more about picking up a skill &, indirectly, the cold efficiency when it comes to pulling the trigger. Does today's recruits still do the 300m rundown, shooting higher/lower at different distances to factor in the bullet-flight trajectory?
Originally posted by Moxie:The SAF m16 range has moving figure 11s at 100m. And also the SAR21 range with moving figure 11s at 200m. Bloody hell to shoot these after a rundown. Furthermore you have to run down again to shoot moving figure 11s at 100m. As the timing is different, it's not easy to shoot both accurately w/o practice.
I'm sure local frontline soldiers are conscious about switching to semi-auto mode in a combat setting; IMO what can be improvable upon is, perhaps, more experience firing at moving targets, even 2D ones. What's still most unrealistic, though, is the "gap, gap, gap" shouts troops make whenever they run out of ammo blanks in field training! ~lol~
only for ATPOriginally posted by Moxie:Quite true. Range-shooting's more about picking up a skill &, indirectly, the cold efficiency when it comes to pulling the trigger. Does today's recruits still do the 300m rundown, shooting higher/lower at different distances to factor in the bullet-flight trajectory?
I shared notes before with some U.S. online friends who were also weekend hunters as a hobby; they didn't have to undergo "formal" training like me to acquire, in their lingo, the "Eye of The Tiger."
I'm sure local frontline soldiers are conscious about switching to semi-auto mode in a combat setting; IMO what can be improvable upon is, perhaps, more experience firing at moving targets, even 2D ones. What's still most unrealistic, though, is the "gap, gap, gap" shouts troops make whenever they run out of ammo blanks in field training! ~lol~
For me the most unrealistic element is
aiyah, when the bullets start to rain u will shoot for ur life one, u have to cos u dun wanna die. its natural instinct.Originally posted by the Bear:in the past, they used to train soldiers with bulls-eyes...
then in the battlefield, the soldiers could not bring themselves to shoot another human being...
that's not good to the generals.. so they made the "human target" for practice...
no hesitation from then on...
dehumanisation? maybe...
Stoopid... You shout "Gap! Gap! Gap!" after a breech in the wire in an assult of a Fortified Objective (DUH!).Originally posted by Moxie:What's still most unrealistic, though, is the "gap, gap, gap" shouts troops make whenever they run out of ammo blanks in field training! ~lol~
For me the most unrealistic element is
Originally posted by meander:Hmmm I had to instruct 2 years of CTSS, M-16 firing was 200m fig.12 (half body) x1 then x2, then moving fig.11 x 1 x 3. 100 same same mah!
The SAF m16 range has moving figure 11s at 100m. And also the SAR21 range with moving figure 11s at [b]200m. Bloody hell to shoot these after a rundown. Furthermore you have to run down again to shoot moving figure 11s at 100m. As the timing is different, it's not easy to shoot both accurately w/o practice.[/b]
Haha... whether you hit anything is another question wor...Originally posted by chunyong:aiyah, when the bullets start to rain u will shoot for ur life one, u have to cos u dun wanna die. its natural instinct.
haha, most of the bullet miss in a war one lah....by the time u really aim already ganna a few stray bullet liao...agaration fire to keep them down while ur buddies advance loh...Originally posted by Cpl Ho:Haha... whether you hit anything is another question wor...Or worse still hit your own ppl...
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