Dealing with terrorist threat?
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Interested to discuss how best to deal with the current terrorist threat? Role of security forces, intelligence, homeland security etc. Or does S'pore even face any threat in the first place?
Welcome all replies, preferably 'serious' ones... SBSK
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The current terrorist threat is real but not totally visible.
They had shown that they had made plans though they did not succeed. We must not let our guards down to believe that they will not strike again.
We must constantly put them under check. -
apart from being alert, there's not much that can be done these days...
in the past, where terrorists struck, it was for publicity.. they'd hijack a plane and fly it to Beirut or something, drag out the negotiations and maximise the publicity for their cause...
these days, it's just to maximise bodycount and see who can cause the most heinous atrocity...
it's hard to defend against someone who is so bent of mayhem they'd die horribly to do it...
how to deal with it?
hunt down the perpertrators (the masterminds) and totally discredit them in the eyes of their followers...
something akin to getting home moviesof Osama sodomising a pig...
or sacrificing young boys to Satan... hmmm he already does that doesn't he? -
Constanty vigilance!
*bang the table, adjust my eyeball* -
These terrorists may be funded by a military organisation which is planning a coup or siege on the country.
Thus, military forces must be diligent to prevent them from infiltrating. Can you still remember those weapons stolen from a Malaysian camp? Those are dangerous.
Police on the other hand have a larger role to play in preventing terrorism as they have more power to handle with suspicious characters.
I think it will be better for someone in those roles to speak for themselves since their roles were identified. -
hard lah, they are in the dark, will strike anywhere, anytime and worst of all....anyhow but in here, if u dare to strike then u must be dare to die cos SG too small for anyone to hide lah, last time maybe still can but now everywhere got NPCs, NPPs lah....no horse run lah...
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About "too small for anyone to hide" - two things:Originally posted by chunyong:hard lah, they are in the dark, will strike anywhere, anytime and worst of all....anyhow but in here, if u dare to strike then u must be dare to die cos SG too small for anyone to hide lah, last time maybe still can but now everywhere got NPCs, NPPs lah....no horse run lah...
1. It will not matter to a suicide bomber
2. You will be surprised how easy it is to plant a small explosive device in a commercial building. It does not need to be a big one - even a handgrenade will be disastrous - not in terms of physical damage, but in terms of economy. -
the custom as well as the PCG are making sure these weapons never reached our shore.
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yup, but as u know, singaporean 'kiasi' one mah, where will dare, then our customs will keep those people who wanna come here for suicide bombing at bay, hopefully they continue to do their job well lah.Originally posted by dragonstar:About "too small for anyone to hide" - two things:
1. It will not matter to a suicide bomber
2. You will be surprised how easy it is to plant a small explosive device in a commercial building. It does not need to be a big one - even a handgrenade will be disastrous - not in terms of physical damage, but in terms of economy.
aiyah, anything can happen mah, u can also prime a nade and just lob it over the fence of an establishment, nobody can stop it also....u can also prime a nade, drop it just b4 the mrt traindoor closes...nobody can stop u too. anything can happen....dats wat frightening. -
Vigilence aside... Is it probable Singapore is the next terrorist target considering our size, level of readiness and the recent arrest of alleged JI terrorists by the ISD? Anyone any insights?
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Originally posted by the Bear:
I agree... that's what makes terrorists today some fearsome... They're fanatical and there can be abundance of them with little or no training... There is no way any country can produce as many highly-trained spec operators to match their numbers... nor is that a feasible solution...
these days, it's just to maximise bodycount and see who can cause the most heinous atrocity...
it's hard to defend against someone who is so bent of mayhem they'd die horribly to do it...
how to deal with it?
hunt down the perpertrators (the masterminds) and totally discredit them in the eyes of their followers...
something akin to getting home moviesof Osama sodomising a pig...
or sacrificing young boys to Satan... hmmm he already does that doesn't he?[/b]
Yes, it seems a workable solution seems to be isolating the brains (masterminds) from the arms (fanatical followers). To me, the solution seems to be two-pronged...
1) Hunt down the masterminds like what you said, but taking care not to make them matyrs...
2) making it less attractive for the followers to follow the mastermind.
However, there are some problems that still needs to be address...
a) it is not easy to isolate the mastermind from the followers if they're of the same community
b) It is not easy to track down the mastermind unless you have reliable eyes on the ground (HUMINT)
c) how to discredit the mastermind effectively without make him a matyr
d) understanding the motivation of the followers and providing attractive alternatives...
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no need special teams, normal PO can handle them liao.
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10 terror suspects try to join Britain's volunteer army - http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/topstories/story/0,4386,278684,00.html
I'm wonderring if JI has already inflitrated the S'pore Armed Forces?
MHA may've claimed that they've suppressed the JI cells in S'pore already but are they 110% sure? Remember MHA admitted that it was due to a tip-off by a lady that brought JI's actions to their attention. So what if theres still a sleeper cell that hasn't been active yet? This cell maybe even difficult to track if its a small cell made up of 4 to 2 men or worst women.
As to the possibility of JI inflitrating M'sia's Armed forces or Indonesia's Armed Forces, the percentage of probability is 70-80 %. The militant group Al-Ma'unah, which robbed the MAF armoury was led by a former MAF officer. The pirates along the M'sia, S'pore & Indonesian Straits seems to have skills, developed by military navies or coast guards, in boarding ships. Its also no secret that some of the JI in Indonesia had been in the military services. And so on.
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Originally posted by John Ching:
For Singapore , *ahem* some pple comes under more scrutiny by the government but u all know what i mean right?
[b]10 terror suspects try to join Britain's volunteer army - http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/topstories/story/0,4386,278684,00.html
I'm wonderring if JI has already inflitrated the S'pore Armed Forces?
MHA may've claimed that they've suppressed the JI cells in S'pore already but are they 110% sure? Remember MHA admitted that it was due to a tip-off by a lady that brought JI's actions to their attention. So what if theres still a sleeper cell that hasn't been active yet? This cell maybe even difficult to track if its a small cell made up of 4 to 2 men or worst women.
As to the possibility of JI inflitrating M'sia's Armed forces or Indonesia's Armed Forces, the percentage of probability is 70-80 %. The militant group Al-Ma'unah, which robbed the MAF armoury was led by a former MAF officer. The pirates along the M'sia, S'pore & Indonesian Straits seems to have skills, developed by military navies or coast guards, in boarding ships. Its also no secret that some of the JI in Indonesia had been in the military services. And so on. [/b] -
For S'pore context mayb... but i'm referring to the global context...Originally posted by chunyong:no need special teams, normal PO can handle them liao. and can u care to share how normal police training is able to prepare officers to deal with the terrorist threat? -
ha, i POP from tracom a few yrs liao but after 911 sure got teach extra things so dat the newly POPed POs will be better equipped to handle, deal and deter terrorist things. they teach wat i dunno cos all i know is dat when i POP. the 911 happened. i dunno is lucky or unlucky, both ways also can fit in lah....Originally posted by Cpl Ho:For S'pore context mayb... but i'm referring to the global context... and can u care to share how normal police training is able to prepare officers to deal with the terrorist threat?
don't think dat the training for POs stays the same year after year, its changing constantly just like how the world is changing. a PO dat POPed in 2001 is different from one in 2003 or 4 due to difference in learning. hopefully those who POPed now is better equipped loh...of cos i cannot su seh say my batch ill-equipped lah....hahahahah -
Okay pop quiz
How many of you know what to look out for when doing a bag search, how does improvised exposives look like?
Where are the vunerable spots (where a small charge can cause the most damage) in your workplace, community or public spots?
If I spot somthing suspicious, what details must I take note of?
Who do I call? (I know answer for supranatural things - Ghostbusters) but for suspicious objects? Think you neighbour mata can handle a Improvised Explosive device with anto-handling devices?
The gauntlet has been thrown.. -
i'll answer the last 3 qns only, call 999 or your NPC, we will activate SAF's EOD for bomb disposal, they are the experts.Originally posted by baer:Okay pop quiz
How many of you know what to look out for when doing a bag search, how does improvised exposives look like?
Where are the vunerable spots (where a small charge can cause the most damage) in your workplace, community or public spots?
If I spot somthing suspicious, what details must I take note of?
Who do I call? (I know answer for supranatural things - Ghostbusters) but for suspicious objects? Think you neighbour mata can handle a Improvised Explosive device with anto-handling devices?
The gauntlet has been thrown..
spot suspicious : size, sounds emitted, any oil stains, wires sticking out, do not touch it or cause any vibrations dat may disturb the thing or its contents . try to avoid letting passerbys to touch it. -
No threat from terrorists? You got to be mad!!!!
Attack plan on Singapore (OPS JIBRIL)== Extracted from : http://www.terrorismcentral.com/Library/terroristgroups/JemaahIslamiyah/JITerror/OpJIBRILAttackPlan.html
After the reconnaissance, al-Ghozie determined that they needed an additional 17 tons of ammonium nitrate. Six targets were selected for attack by suicide truck bombs weighing three tons each. [162] Fiah Musa member Ellias would secure the additional ammonium nitrate. Jabarah was supposed to bring in the technical expertise for the operations. Bomb makers would rig the vehicles in a secure warehouse. The local cell members would then leave the country before Jabarah brought in the suicide bombers. Jabarah planned to smuggle the suicide bombers into Singapore one day before the attack; just enough time to familiarize themselves with their route and target. [163] -
To your 1st question, before you even touch the bag, stare to owner of the bag straight in the eyes. If he's carry a bomb, he'll show some form of body language. However, if the owner is damn cool, study the openings of the bag closely. If its set up by a pro, the opening device of the bag would most likely be trapped for anti-temperring. If the bag is opened safely, heres a note to take, explosive device are not small objects unless its a dirty-bomb or chemical agent. So be slow & careful how you go about searching.Originally posted by baer:Okay pop quiz
How many of you know what to look out for when doing a bag search, how does improvised exposives look like?
Where are the vunerable spots (where a small charge can cause the most damage) in your workplace, community or public spots?
If I spot somthing suspicious, what details must I take note of?
Who do I call? (I know answer for supranatural things - Ghostbusters) but for suspicious objects? Think you neighbour mata can handle a Improvised Explosive device with anto-handling devices?
The gauntlet has been thrown..
Currently, Al Qaeda's OP is to strike at central city area where there are many people around. They also like the ideal of using public transport from airplanes, trains to any vehicle that carrys a large number of the public. There was a suicide bombing sometime back which involve a public bus in Israel.
For your 2nd question, take note as much detail of whatever the suspicious event maybe. Every detail no matter how small can help investigators. but do take note of your own personal safety 1st. Don't be a hero.
Your final question, call the police, let them call whoever else that needs to be called.
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I hope your confidence of the normal policemen is correct. Course I think your judgement is based on the fact that S'pore has not had a serious terrorist incident after Mar 91 hijacking of SQ 117.Originally posted by chunyong:no need special teams, normal PO can handle them liao. -
well, u can't expect out normal NPCO to go ard with MP-5s mah. Normal POs is to attend to more 'routine' cases and if something major has happened, they will radio for back up...Originally posted by John Ching:I hope your confidence of the normal policemen is correct. Course I think your judgement is based on the fact that S'pore has not had a serious terrorist incident after Mar 91 hijacking of SQ 117. -
ANSWER TO POP QUIZ
i) Improvised Explosives look like anything from plasticine, plastic chips (TNT flakes), oil or any liquids, manure (ammonia nitrate), black pallets etc. Key to identify is the ignition device, usually has (i) power supply (batteries or connected to external source), (ii) wiring (forget "the red wire is correct one to cut" nonsense) and timing device (egg timer, watch etc).
ii) Vunerable spot, anywhere with lots of human traffic (MRT), difficult to by-pass (key junctions), most material damage or prestigious symbols (Stamford Raffles Statue, Merlion), sensatative facilities (Sattelite, water works etc). Think like a terrorist and you'd be suprized at the number of vunerable spots singapore has. Avoid the obvious and see the secondary ones which would cause just as much damage and less protected.
iii) Anything and everything
iv) Call 999 and pray the clown who appears is better trained than most others.
REMEMBER NEVER EVER TRY TO CHECK BY OPENING OR MOVING SUSPICIOUS OBJECT, especially if have oily stains, ticking sounds or even too odd shaped for usual.