Infantry: The Workhorse of Battle.
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armies across the globe are moving towards the mobile/mechanized infantry concept. the one who get deployed first win. they don't call a place strategic for nothing.Originally posted by John Ching:You might want to look back to WWII, Infantry soldiers still had to march on with or without transport. If that discipline is still enforce in todays infantry soldiers, it won't matter if there are logistics or not.
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sending a poorly equipped/trained militia to the battlefield be it jungle/rural/urban is suicide. singapore cannot afford to lose men like WWII china.Originally posted by John Ching:WW II chinese infantry fought the Japs even with swords, kitchen knives, etc. -
Points to Ponder:Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:Points to ponder upon Anyway, just to let you know , Red Alert Was First Created on 95' this is year 2004
that means 9 years ago..
if i were on NCC, that means i would be 16 years old
minus off 9 years old..
= 7 years old prodigy playing Red Alert?
i guess i must be the only 7 year old around..
Pong was released when i was a kid.
I can still play it today. You can too.
Am i 30 or so years old?
Where is the logic that the game can only be played in the year it is created?
For instance, now at the SG Science Centre there are exhibited the old Arcade Games. Do i have to be of over 35 Years of age to play them?
Yes, you might be the only 7 year old around here. -
Nope, they didn't fought the japanese with swords..
your wrong....
Chinese at that time may be "out-dated" but they aren't stupid -
*Note to rest, please ignore this post*
To SBSK, please bookmark this and that other long thread (on "Singaporean Amphibous capability" ). Come back and read them after you've served your NS.
And cringe after re-reading the crap you post. Then register a new nick and start over in sgforums.Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:
Erm since you haven't served, what do you know about these classified units?
There are some very classified units and they play a larger role then
those listed here.
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Heh , its impossible to win a real war with those units you have listed..
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Precisely , why so many americans died in the Vietnam War, cause those units listed above are not enough at all.
FYI NO unit plays a more important role than the basic arms of the SAF. Other special units might turn the tide, but w/o these basic arms, these units are too small and specialised to accomplish anything at all. Reality isn't like RTS games you play.
On the contary in fact, it's impossible to win a war (read war and not battle) without basic units. Or why the heck would regular armies all over the world (even non-regular armies like SAF) bother training infantry/armor/arty ? Just train all these "special units" and they'll win every war. Duh
On the US-Vietnam war, US just fought the wrong way with wrong tactics and lost. On the flip side, what "special units" did the Vietnamese have that won them the war?Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:
We're really starting to think you are. Really. Afterall you haven't proven otherwise so far.
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I guess i must be the only 7 year old around.. -
infantry bah and logistics, so hmm combat storeman (like me haha)
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sword works wonder at close-quarter combat. skilled that is.Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:Nope, they didn't fought the japanese with swords.. -
War has not been fought yet but the rifleman and the storeman are already arguing who is more important in winning the war. Just like a company that has not done any business yet but the receptionists and the office boys are already arguing who contribute more to the profitability of the company.
Those engineers, armour, arty, airforce and navy guys, whose training are many time more siong one also never say a word.
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perhaps.. they are just too tired to engage in trival arguments. those guys who posted here must be very free. their co should be notify..Originally posted by sgdiehard:War has not been fought yet but the rifleman and the storeman are already arguing who is more important in winning the war. Just like a company that has not done any business yet but the receptionists and the office boys are already arguing who contribute more to the profitability of the company.
Those engineers, armour, arty, airforce and navy guys, whose training are many time more siong one also never say a word.
Wu liao. -
Originally posted by meander:
Without classified units...
*Note to rest, please ignore this post*
To SBSK, please bookmark this and that other long thread (on "Singaporean Amphibous capability" ). Come back and read them [b]after you've served your NS.
And cringe after re-reading the crap you post. Then register a new nick and start over in sgforums.
We're really starting to think you are. Really. Afterall you haven't proven otherwise so far.[/b]
I can't imagine SAF going to war without battlefield intelligence.
If you think your smart , very well , own time own target, next time , war better don't jio me go..surely will definitely die.
With Spy and Covert Op.s
With less then 10,000 pple who are sufficiently armed , with careful and strategic planning , more then enough to bring down a enemy armed forces
Read my nickname..
If you can accomplish the below stuffs...
1. Getting to Air Bases and securing it before anything starts.
2. Gaining control of Submarine pens which has double scorpenes
3. Demoralize the enemy and splitting them up
Read Sun Tzu's Art of War
4. Preventing Enemy Mobilisation by capturing of TV stations + Radio (most likely to broadcast in war time)
5. Offer them $$ if they lay down their arms
6. Promises of a new economy , restructured country
7. By-passing strategy(Avoiding the major battles and advancing forward) + Capturing of key leaders
3 days can liao .
The Real War If Won Without Even Firing a Shot , is truly called a master
(the brilliant man would find a way not to fight a war)
The War Which You Have Been Trained to Fight For..is for newbies like you =D
You must take in mind that , in less then a few months, you need to secure water supply and potential poisoning..
You all must know that the Real Man Are Actually Not just you all NS man..
it's those man who lay low..lies ready to pounce when the time is ready..
SAF 3G Warfare is going to revolutionalize the whole battlefield..
Maybe even that day comes..the war started..no need you to go liao..
all using Robots ^^..
Provided M'sia dont advance their nuclear research into something new in ASEAN.. -
Hear hear!Originally posted by deathscythe99:No Logistics = No Food
No Logistics = No Water
No Logistics = No Ammo
No Logistics = No Nothing
Thus I conclude Logistics is still a key element in any battle. Small and insignificant it might seem now, but it IS decisive. -
Hah, without battle field intelligence..Originally posted by LazerLordz:Hear hear!
a army are better off being blind =D -
Irregardless of what ever the new concepts of the military might be, infantry soldiers will still be figthing on foot. Using their own 2 legs also counts as mobile infantry.Originally posted by YI:armies across the globe are moving towards the mobile/mechanized infantry concept. the one who get deployed first win. they don't call a place strategic for nothing.
Troops in Falluja are moving are being transported there by blackhawks & armour fighting vehicle but they still aren't winning the war.
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Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:Without classified units...
I can't imagine SAF going to war without battlefield intelligence.
If you think your smart , very well , own time own target, next time , war better don't jio me go..surely will definitely die.
With Spy and Covert Op.s
With less then 10,000 pple who are sufficiently armed , with careful and strategic planning , more then enough to bring down a enemy armed forces
Read my nickname..
If you can accomplish the below stuffs...
1. Getting to Air Bases and securing it before anything starts.
2. Gaining control of Submarine pens which has double scorpenes
3. Demoralize the enemy and splitting them up
Read Sun Tzu's Art of War
4. Preventing Enemy Mobilisation by capturing of TV stations + Radio (most likely to broadcast in war time)
5. Offer them $$ if they lay down their arms
6. Promises of a new economy , restructured country
7. By-passing strategy(Avoiding the major battles and advancing forward) + Capturing of key leaders
3 days can liao .
The Real War If Won Without Even Firing a Shot , is truly called a master
(the brilliant man would find a way not to fight a war)
The War Which You Have Been Trained to Fight For..is for newbies like you =D
You must take in mind that , in less then a few months, you need to secure water supply and potential poisoning..
You all must know that the Real Man Are Actually Not just you all NS man..
it's those man who lay low..lies ready to pounce when the time is ready..
SAF 3G Warfare is going to revolutionalize the whole battlefield..
Maybe even that day comes..the war started..no need you to go liao..
all using Robots ^^..
Provided M'sia dont advance their nuclear research into something new in ASEAN.. 
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Hey, have you checked out the suicide bombing rate in Iraq & Palestine? 1 would've thought that their population would have run out by now. Yet they seem to have suiciders every day, their women are really into to contributing for their courses.Originally posted by YI:sending a poorly equipped/trained militia to the battlefield be it jungle/rural/urban is suicide. singapore cannot afford to lose men like WWII china.
True, S'pore can't afford to lose good fighting men but from what I've read from the news, the S'pore Armed Forces seem to be doing a hell of a job lossing men.
You know that theres no such thing as not losing men in war irregardless of how equipped they are, it'll always have to be the result of poor leadership & crappy planning by people behind the line.
If you talk about good transportations, check out the number of blackhawks downed & how many armour fighting vehicles blown up. By the way, those soldiers behind the pilot & drivers never got a chacne to fight back when it happens. -
i've got no complaints about the starting post...
logistics provide, but in the end its all for the ground troops.
air force support... support what? the ground troops.
in the end, we still need men to go in and plant the flag. -
No one said they were stupid.[/b] And they did fought the Japs with whatever weapons they could get their hands on. Reason was that logistics were not being able to get through to them especially by sea.Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:Nope, they didn't fought the japanese with swords..
your wrong....
Chinese at that time may be "out-dated" but they aren't stupid
By the way Palestinians are fighting the IDF with stones unless CNN & BBC are lying.
In war, men would use anything to fight to survive even if it'll look stupid to others.
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The people who can do such things are:Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:Read my nickname..
If you can accomplish the below stuffs...
1. Getting to Air Bases and securing it before anything starts.
2. Gaining control of Submarine pens which has double scorpenes
3. Demoralize the enemy and splitting them up
Read Sun Tzu's Art of War
4. Preventing Enemy Mobilisation by capturing of TV stations + Radio (most likely to broadcast in war time)
5. Offer them $$ if they lay down their arms
6. Promises of a new economy , restructured country
7. By-passing strategy(Avoiding the major battles and advancing forward) + Capturing of key leaders
3 days can liao .
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SEALS/Rangers for point 1 and two.
Point 3 is what you are doing now.
And if by the simple means of capturing the Tv stations and Radio Centers, a army can be prevented from mobilised..... wow. Did you know of the Signal FMN?
Did you know of something called chain of command? -
Originally posted by Johnston:The people who can do such things are:
SEALS/Rangers for point 1 and two.
Point 3 is what you are doing now.
And if by the simple means of capturing the Tv stations and Radio Centers, a army can be prevented from mobilised..... wow. Did you know of the Signal FMN?
Did you know of something called chain of command? -
The storeman and the rifleman are BOTH part of the infantry, arguing who's more important is like comparing your own left and right legs. Logistics capabilities are integrated into the units and are not a separate element.
Unfortunately the logistics sides screws up a lot. Usually it's through no fault of their own. It's the fault of the dynamic nature of warfare. Pre-determined resub timings and postitions often change during an exercise/operation.Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:
On pt :
Broken into point form :-
1) I can't imagine SAF going to war without battlefield intelligence.
2)If you think your smart , very well , own time own target, next time , war better don't jio me go..surely will definitely die.
3) Read my nickname..
4) If you can accomplish the below stuffs...
blah
blah
blah
5) The War Which You Have Been Trained to Fight For..is for newbies like you =D
6) SAF 3G Warfare is going to revolutionalize the whole battlefield..
Maybe even that day comes..the war started..no need you to go liao..
all using Robots ^^..
7) Provided M'sia dont advance their nuclear research into something new in
ASEAN..
1) I never said battlefield intelligence wasn't important. But without ground units to fight battles, to whom are the intel people going to disseminate their information to ? W/o ground units to fight, all your intel is moot. It's like buying a steering wheel for a car you don't have. The steering wheel is totally useless.
2) FYI I doubt ANYBODY in sgforums would want to jio you to go fight a war. If anything we hope you deflect to the other side just so we'd have an advantage in war.
3) I did, and I don't see any relavance to the topic at hand besides your immaturity.
4) Gee armchair general, all that is so easy to type. Go walk your customary BMT POP 24km route march to find out how tough it is. To accomplish the simplest objective in a war would be a hell lot tougher than that 24km march.
If you can fight that "perfect" war, the enemy must really be one heck of an idiot to let you accomplish all that. In reality that enemy does not exist but in your pen and paper battles, RTS games, and your dreams.
5) ROFL. Your ignorance and thick-headed-ness never ceases to amaze me. In your case it's not even "pot calling the kettle black". It's more like the snake calling the chihuahua "useless" because the chihuahua has short legs.
6) Watched too much gundam lately ?
7) Msia doesn't have the balls to make nuclear weapons. In any case it would be shooting themselves in the foot after proclaiming to the world that they're a "moderate islamic country". Nobody would take them seriously after that, and all their internation relations would go straight to hell. -
Originally posted by meander:
come on, show some sympathy for the sick.
The storeman and the rifleman are BOTH part of the infantry, arguing who's more important is like comparing your own left and right legs. Logistics capabilities are integrated into the units and are not a separate element.
Unfortunately the logistics sides screws up a lot. Usually it's through no fault of their own. It's the fault of the dynamic nature of warfare. Pre-determined resub timings and postitions often change during an exercise/operation.
On pt :
1) I never said battlefield intelligence wasn't important. But without ground units to fight battles, to whom are the intel people going to disseminate their information to ? W/o ground units to fight, all your intel is moot. It's like buying a steering wheel for a car you don't have. The steering wheel is totally useless.
2) FYI I doubt [b]ANYBODY in sgforums would want to jio you to go fight a war. If anything we hope you deflect to the other side just so we'd have an advantage in war.
3) I did, and I don't see any relavance to the topic at hand besides your immaturity.
4) Gee armchair general, all that is so easy to type. Go walk your customary BMT POP 24km route march to find out how tough it is. To accomplish the simplest objective in a war would be a hell lot tougher than that 24km march.
If you can fight that "perfect" war, the enemy must really be one heck of an idiot to let you accomplish all that. In reality that enemy does not exist but in your pen and paper battles, RTS games, and your dreams.
5) ROFL. Your ignorance and thick-headed-ness never ceases to amaze me. In your case it's not even "pot calling the kettle black". It's more like the snake calling the chihuahua "useless" because the chihuahua has short legs.
6) Watched too much gundam lately ?
7) Msia doesn't have the balls to make nuclear weapons. In any case it would be shooting themselves in the foot after proclaiming to the world that they're a "moderate islamic country". Nobody would take them seriously after that, and all their internation relations would go straight to hell.[/b]
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apparently the topic is going out of point... if u all just see the bigger picture, what he's just saying that in the end, it is still the men who have to chiong in and finish it.
yes we know logistics supply them with ammo and food.
yes we know intelligence leads the way.
what he's trying to say is that no matter what, you still need the riflemen to end it. -
well, cos we have one sicko here who bothers to 'chat' to himself....sigh.Originally posted by kopiosatu:apparently the topic is going out of point... if u all just see the bigger picture, what he's just saying that in the end, it is still the men who have to chiong in and finish it.
yes we know logistics supply them with ammo and food.
yes we know intelligence leads the way.
what he's trying to say is that no matter what, you still need the riflemen to end it. -
then that's another story all together.Originally posted by chunyong:well, cos we have one sicko here who bothers to 'chat' to himself....sigh. -
Goddamn!Originally posted by kopiosatu:apparently the topic is going out of point... if u all just see the bigger picture, what he's just saying that in the end, it is still the men who have to chiong in and finish it.
yes we know logistics supply them with ammo and food.
yes we know intelligence leads the way.
what he's trying to say is that no matter what, you still need the riflemen to end it.
Someone who understands English!
Yes. Without Mr RifleMan to go and take the Objective, what use is reams of intelligence or whatever?
You can know everything down to the Enemy's CDF's penis length, and whether or not he sucks, and it wouldn't do you a bit of good.
You can have mountains of POL, Food, Water, expendable, and it still wouldn't do you any good, except being good for the enemy if they captured it.